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Title: Mackenzie Phillips: I Slept with My Own Father
Post by Edith Grove on Sep 22^nd, 2009 at 9:31pm

Mackenzie Phillips: I Slept with My Own Father
Originally posted Tuesday September 22, 2009 07:40 PM EDT

"Don't hate my father," Mackenzie Phillips tells PEOPLE.

But in a tell-all book out Wednesday, the former childhood actress reveals that her dad, musician John Phillips of the '60s band the Mamas and the Papas, engaged with her in a long-term incestuous relationship.

Phillips, 49, who has survived drug addiction, arrests and divorce, writes in the book High on Arrival that she was already a star playing a boy-crazy teen on the TV sitcom One Day at a Time when her father had sex with her on the night before she was to marry Jeff Sessler, a member of the Rolling Stones entourage, in 1979.

"On the eve of my wedding, my father showed up, determined to stop it," writes Phillips, who was 19 and a heavy drug user at the time. "I had tons of pills, and Dad had tons of everything too. Eventually I passed out on Dad's bed."

Blackout
"My father was not a man with boundaries. He was full of love, and he was sick with drugs. I woke up that night from a blackout to find myself having sex with my own father.

"Had this happened before? I didn't know. All I can say is it was the first time I was aware of it. For a moment I was in my body, in that horrible truth, and then I slid back into a blackout."

Phillips' life began to spiral out of control. In 1980, she was fired from One Day at a Time because of her constant drug use. That same year, she went to rehab – with her father. She even toured with him in a band called the New Mamas and the Papas. Her sexual relationship with him had become consensual.

Delusional
"I was a fragment of a person, and my secret isolated me," she writes.

"One night Dad said, 'We could just run away to a country where no one would look down on us. There are countries where this is an accepted practice. Maybe Fiji.'

"He was completely delusional. No, I thought, we're going to hell for this."

For much more from Macknezie's book – including her fling with Mick Jagger, what her family said about her rape accusations and her fears that she was pregnant with her own father's baby – pick up the new issue of PEOPLE, on newsstands now.

http://www.people.com/people/article/0,,20307481,00.html

Title: Re: Mackenzie Phillips: I Slept with My Own Father
Post by Wild Bill on Sep 22^nd, 2009 at 9:57pm

Where would the world be without People magazine?

:sad

Title: Re: Mackenzie Phillips: I Slept with My Own Father
Post by sweetcharmedlife on Sep 22^nd, 2009 at 10:56pm

TMI :interestingstuffronnie

Title: Re: Mackenzie Phillips: I Slept with My Own Father
Post by Zack on Sep 22^nd, 2009 at 11:11pm

Good title. Reminds me of Florida.

Title: Re: Mackenzie Phillips: I Slept with My Own Father
Post by StPeteStone on Sep 22^nd, 2009 at 11:18pm

Zack wrote on Sep 22^nd, 2009 at 11:11pm:

Good title. Reminds me of Florida.

How so?

Title: Re: Mackenzie Phillips: I Slept with My Own Father
Post by left shoe shuffle on Sep 22^nd, 2009 at 11:24pm

Edith Grove wrote on Sep 22^nd, 2009 at 9:31pm:

For much more from Macknezie's book – including her fling with Mick Jagger, what her family said about her rape accusations and her fears that she was pregnant with her own father's baby – pick up the new issue of PEOPLE, on newsstands now.

Umm, no.

Title: Re: Mackenzie Phillips: I Slept with My Own Father
Post by keiths liver on Sep 22^nd, 2009 at 11:42pm

Allright, that shit is fuckin sick.

Title: Re: Mackenzie Phillips: I Slept with My Own Father
Post by Honky Tonk Man on Sep 23^rd, 2009 at 12:51am

Shame the bastard died and escaped justice, really.

'Consensual'? My arse!

Title: Re: Mackenzie Phillips: I Slept with My Own Father
Post by Zack on Sep 23^rd, 2009 at 2:20am

StPeteStone wrote on Sep 22^nd, 2009 at 11:18pm:

Zack wrote on Sep 22^nd, 2009 at 11:11pm:

Good title. Reminds me of Florida.

How so?

The title of the book is High on Arrival.

Florida used to have signs on the side of the highway as you drove down I-95 that said "Arrive Alive," which I had seen often altered to read "Arrive Stoned" on bumper stickers and mock license plates in gift shops and such. I guess I'm betraying my age here. This was in the early 80s.

Nothing to do with incest. Which is bad. And wrong. And sick.

Title: Re: Mackenzie Phillips: I Slept with My Own Father
Post by AngieBlue on Sep 23^rd, 2009 at 2:36am

sweetcharmedlife wrote on Sep 22^nd, 2009 at 10:56pm:

TMI :interestingstuffronnie

I'll second that. TMI indeed.

Title: Re: Mackenzie Phillips: I Slept with My Own Father
Post by lotsajizz on Sep 23^rd, 2009 at 4:49am

Honky Tonk Man wrote on Sep 23^rd, 2009 at 12:51am:

Shame the bastard died and escaped justice, really.

'Consensual'? My arse!

just 'cuz she said it don't make it so

Title: Re: Mackenzie Phillips: I Slept with My Own Father
Post by Lantern_High on Sep 23^rd, 2009 at 5:56am

Honky Tonk Man wrote on Sep 23^rd, 2009 at 12:51am:

Shame the bastard died and escaped justice, really.

'Consensual'? My arse!

I feel like-- get me sick hear of this news. Wait, probably I'll get the vomit coming Puah!

Title: Re: Mackenzie Phillips: I Slept with My Own Father
Post by Edith Grove on Sep 23^rd, 2009 at 6:03am

Lantern_High wrote on Sep 23^rd, 2009 at 5:56am:

Wait, probably I'll get the vomit coming Puah!

I have always wondered what "Puah" is.

Thanks, Lantern! :smilestu

Title: Re: Mackenzie Phillips: I Slept with My Own Father
Post by Heart Of Stone on Sep 23^rd, 2009 at 6:11am

She's on Oprah Winfrey today at 4:00 p.m.

Title: Re: Mackenzie Phillips: I Slept with My Own Father
Post by Lantern_High on Sep 23^rd, 2009 at 6:16am

Edith Grove wrote on Sep 23^rd, 2009 at 6:03am:

Lantern_High wrote on Sep 23^rd, 2009 at 5:56am:

Wait, probably I'll get the vomit coming Puah!

I have always wondered what "Puah" is.

Thanks, Lantern! :smilestu

Well, lol ;), is like your Bleah! Means Filthy.. if to one get the vomit this one doesnt feel so well dont?
Ciao Edith, and watch if you can Ophra today. Cause I cant. :wtf3
:smilemick
A greet to Heart Of Stone

Title: Re: Mackenzie Phillips: I Slept with My Own Father
Post by Gazza on Sep 23^rd, 2009 at 6:37am

Edith Grove wrote on Sep 22^nd, 2009 at 9:31pm:

"There are countries where this is an accepted practice. Maybe Fiji.'

:areyoufuckingserious

Title: Re: Mackenzie Phillips: I Slept with My Own Father
Post by Ade on Sep 23^rd, 2009 at 7:12am

does she have a new album/book to promote at the moment? :wtf3

Title: Re: Mackenzie Phillips: I Slept with My Own Father
Post by Gazza on Sep 23^rd, 2009 at 7:31am

Of course!!!

Title: Re: Mackenzie Phillips: I Slept with My Own Father
Post by Joey on Sep 23^rd, 2009 at 8:51am

" But in a tell-all book out Wednesday, the former childhood actress reveals that her dad, musician John Phillips of the '60s band the Mamas and the Papas, engaged with her in a long-term incestuous relationship. "

!!!

"One night Dad said, 'We could just run away to a country where no one would look down on us. There are countries where this is an accepted practice. Maybe Fiji.'

Lil' Fiji ........ Oh , Little Fiji ... Lil' Fijikins !!!!! .... Little Fiji

Title: Re: Mackenzie Phillips: I Slept with My Own Father
Post by Ade on Sep 23^rd, 2009 at 9:16am

it could have been worse, she could have snorted her own father. :interestingstuffronnie

Title: Re: Mackenzie Phillips: I Slept with My Own Father
Post by Gazza on Sep 23^rd, 2009 at 9:21am

Ade wrote on Sep 23^rd, 2009 at 9:16am:

it could have been worse, she could have snorted her own father. :interestingstuffronnie

Yeah, but would that be before or after screwing him? :pukey

Title: Re: Mackenzie Phillips: I Slept with My Own Father
Post by sweetcharmedlife on Sep 23^rd, 2009 at 9:28am

There are countries where this is an accepted practice........Mississippi :retarded :aimama

Title: Re: Mackenzie Phillips: I Slept with My Own Father
Post by AngieBlue on Sep 23^rd, 2009 at 9:38am

sweetcharmedlife wrote on Sep 23^rd, 2009 at 9:28am:

There are countries where this is an accepted practice........Mississippi :retarded :aimama

and the Ozarks :aimama

Title: Re: Mackenzie Phillips: I Slept with My Own Father
Post by StPeteStone on Sep 23^rd, 2009 at 9:39am

Zack wrote on Sep 23^rd, 2009 at 2:20am:

StPeteStone wrote on Sep 22^nd, 2009 at 11:18pm:

Zack wrote on Sep 22^nd, 2009 at 11:11pm:

Good title. Reminds me of Florida.

How so?

Duh! I missed the title of the book when I skimmed the article. I thought you were talking about the thread title. :forfucksake
I remember those plates well.

Title: Re: Mackenzie Phillips: I Slept with My Own Father
Post by Heart Of Stone on Sep 23^rd, 2009 at 9:39am

I read John Philips book years ago "Papa John" I think it was called, he was a real screwed up drug addict, when they used to shoot up drugs there was blood on the walls, I don't know how this happened because I was never into that, a part of the book is when him & Keith was shooting up, he (John) was making a solo album & him & Keith were so out of it, it took them hours to tune up, they went into a bathroom & didn't come out for hours, nothing became of the solo album though.
He (John) was on a T.V. special that his former Mama & papas member Denny was doing, he was so out of it he kept saying "Where's Keith"? or something to that extent, there's a film of this on "Straight Shooter" movie on the M & P's.

Title: Re: Mackenzie Phillips: I Slept with My Own Father
Post by Joey on Sep 23^rd, 2009 at 10:03am

" Yeah, but would that be before or after screwing him? "

!!!!

Title: Re: Mackenzie Phillips: I Slept with My Own Father
Post by Gazza on Sep 23^rd, 2009 at 11:23am

Heart Of Stone wrote on Sep 23^rd, 2009 at 9:39am:

The album eventually got a release in spring 2001 under the title "Pay Pack and Follow". Phillips didnt live to see its release though as he died a month earlier.

Good album too. Jagger, Richards, Taylor and Wood all appear on it.

Title: Re: Mackenzie Phillips: I Slept with My Own Father
Post by Heart Of Stone on Sep 23^rd, 2009 at 11:37am

Gazza wrote on Sep 23^rd, 2009 at 11:23am:

Heart Of Stone wrote on Sep 23^rd, 2009 at 9:39am:

I didn't know that Gazza.

Title: Re: Mackenzie Phillips: I Slept with My Own Father
Post by Honky Tonk Man on Sep 23^rd, 2009 at 11:55am

Why are so many here, blinded so?

Just because someone has a talent that you appreciate, it does not make him/her incapable of deplorable acts.

I m not a Mama’s and Papas fan, so perhaps that is why I can see beyond the supposed talented singer/songwriter and confront what could very well be the truth.

So what is she is out to gain money? It doesn’t banish her from the right to tarnish a sick mans legacy. Maybe it is a crop-of-shit and she’s lying bitch, but maybe, just maybe, she isn’t.

Title: Re: Mackenzie Phillips: I Slept with My Own Father
Post by Gazza on Sep 23^rd, 2009 at 12:40pm

"So many" ? Huh?

I only see one person - Jizzy - questioning whether or not she's telling the whole truth.

And without speaking for him, I'd imagine his doubts arent based on any blind admiration for John Phillips but mainly due to the fact that he conveniently happens to be dead and therefore unable to defend the allegations as well as the fact that his daughter happens to have a book to promote and has a track record of being a bit of a headcase.

If its true, I don't think anyone would claim that he's anything other than a sick bastard, but it;s a bit odd that she's only coming out with this 'secret' now.

Title: Re: Mackenzie Phillips: I Slept with My Own Father
Post by lavendar on Sep 23^rd, 2009 at 12:43pm

Who The Fuck is mckenzie Phillips!!!!!! Shes wacked.....

Title: Re: Mackenzie Phillips: I Slept with My Own Father
Post by left shoe shuffle on Sep 23^rd, 2009 at 12:44pm

Honky Tonk Man wrote on Sep 23^rd, 2009 at 11:55am:

Why are so many here, blinded so?

Exactly no one has leaped to Papa John's defense here.

Look again...

Title: Re: Mackenzie Phillips: I Slept with My Own Father
Post by sweetcharmedlife on Sep 23^rd, 2009 at 12:51pm

Gazza wrote on Sep 23^rd, 2009 at 12:40pm:

Well said Gazza. No excusing incest in any way. But yet another really fucked up showbiz family.

Title: Re: Mackenzie Phillips: I Slept with My Own Father
Post by lotsajizz on Sep 23^rd, 2009 at 12:53pm

Gazza speaks the truth.

Title: Re: Mackenzie Phillips: I Slept with My Own Father
Post by Nellcote on Sep 23^rd, 2009 at 12:57pm

Pay Pack & Follow is a good glimpse of the Stones in another setting.
Any opinions on "Pussycat", the re-worked version with extra tracks?
http://www.amazon.com/Pussycat-John-Phillips/dp/B001D7WF8O
As far as Mackenzie is concerned, there are two sides to the story,
one which we probably will never hear.....

Title: Re: Mackenzie Phillips: I Slept with My Own Father
Post by texile on Sep 23^rd, 2009 at 1:38pm

how sad....i'll never be able to hear Monday, Monday again....
people do disturbed things on drugs......

Title: Re: Mackenzie Phillips: I Slept with My Own Father
Post by Joey on Sep 23^rd, 2009 at 1:42pm

" people do disturbed things on drugs .... "

!!!!

!!!!!

Title: Re: Mackenzie Phillips: I Slept with My Own Father
Post by texile on Sep 23^rd, 2009 at 2:04pm

but then again, not everybody does disturbed things on drugs, in fact, most people do not cross that kind of line.....which makes it so troubling...if indeed these allegations are true and there is no reason to doubt MacKenzie....reading Papa John, things were pretty crazy and he was pretty fogged.

Title: Re: Mackenzie Phillips: I Slept with My Own Father
Post by texile on Sep 23^rd, 2009 at 2:17pm

http://www.nj.com/entertainment/celebrities/index.ssf/2009/09/michelle_phillips_on_incest_cl.html

who knows? both father and daughter were in a drug haze most of their lives....
and memory can play tricks on you......
but its also an unfortunate truth that incest victims are often not believed by family members..
sad either way.
id read the story about Mick 'I've been waiting for this moment since you were ten-years old...'
which is gross enough, but i wonder what mick and keith think of Papa John now..

Title: Re: Mackenzie Phillips: I Slept with My Own Father
Post by Riffhard on Sep 23^rd, 2009 at 2:45pm

texile wrote on Sep 23^rd, 2009 at 2:17pm:

You are absolutely correct about incest victims families often not believing them That is a sickness in itself I would think. However, it doesn't sound as if Mac were so much a victim as a willing participant. How she can possibly see this as helping her sell records is tough for me to understand. That was one twisted hippy-dippy family.

Riffy

Title: Re: Mackenzie Phillips: I Slept with My Own Father
Post by Factory Girl on Sep 23^rd, 2009 at 3:25pm

I'm trying to watch stupid Macky on Queenie Oprah now. The fact that she revealed all this sick shit to get a book deal and come on O is disgusting. The mere fact of Macky discussing this shit to jump start her career is sick. Papa John was a sick bastardo.

Title: Re: Mackenzie Phillips: I Slept with My Own Father
Post by SweetVirginia on Sep 23^rd, 2009 at 3:31pm

Sheesh:

She also claimed in the interview that Mick Jagger, singer of Rolling Stones once cornered her and said.
“I’ve been waiting for this since you were 10 years old.”

http://news.puggal.com/mackenzie-phillips-mick-jagger-8420/

Title: Re: Mackenzie Phillips: I Slept with My Own Father
Post by Nellcote on Sep 23^rd, 2009 at 7:13pm

There was a gleam in her eye when she said "after all I was 18, who would not want to be with Mick Jagger". She dug it. This will be the highlight of the book. The stuff with her father can never be verified. Not saying it did not happen, however, that it did occur in her words, from age 18-29 is a bit much already. There comes a time to walk away, so why didn't she? Either under a Jim Jones spell or she really was-is Baked Alaska. Move on.

BTW, I've not seen O in about five years. She's not doing her body any favors with this yo-yo seefood approach to dieting....

Title: Re: Mackenzie Phillips: I Slept with My Own Father
Post by texile on Sep 23^rd, 2009 at 7:28pm

i don't know Nellcot,
i doesn't make Mick look any less skeevy....he was the 'adult' after all...

Title: Re: Mackenzie Phillips: I Slept with My Own Father
Post by Nellcote on Sep 23^rd, 2009 at 7:53pm

Ah, look at Hefner. Demi Moore dating Ashton Kutcher for how long? Clint Eastwood was 63 when he began dating his now wife when she was 28. Tony Randall had 50 years on his bride. Wasn't like Jagger was not the rock god to be with after all. As well Jagger wasn't Jerry Lee Lewis, right?

Title: Re: Mackenzie Phillips: I Slept with My Own Father
Post by sweetcharmedlife on Sep 23^rd, 2009 at 8:14pm

Nellcote wrote on Sep 23^rd, 2009 at 7:53pm:

Or Bill Wyman :aimama

Title: Re: Mackenzie Phillips: I Slept with My Own Father
Post by texile on Sep 23^rd, 2009 at 8:23pm

you beat me to it, Sweet....
Bill and his ...what - thirteen-year old valentine...
how charming and romantic.

Title: Re: Mackenzie Phillips: I Slept with My Own Father
Post by Factory Girl on Sep 23^rd, 2009 at 8:27pm

Wait...this isn't about Mick. :wtf2

This is about Macky Phillips alleging that she had sexual relations with her father Papa John while pimping her book on the Oprah show. Even if true, its a sick desperate way to jump start her career. Is MP going into porn making incest movies?

Somewhere, Valerie Bertinelli is in complete Nutri-System shock.

Title: Re: Mackenzie Phillips: I Slept with My Own Father
Post by Kilroy on Sep 23^rd, 2009 at 8:52pm

IF IT'S TRUE IT'S SICK
IF IT'S NOT TRUE IT'S SICK
IT'S JUST SICK.
BY THE WAY INCEST GOT NOTHING TO DO WITH GEOGRAPHY. IT APARENTLY HAPPENS NORTH OF THE MASON DIXON LINE ALSO.
THANK YOU FOR THE PHOTO BELOW WHOM EVER FIRST SUPPLIED IT, I LOVE IT.

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Title: Re: Mackenzie Phillips: I Slept with My Own Father
Post by tumbledsomebody on Sep 23^rd, 2009 at 9:07pm

Anything for money. Some things are best left unsaid and if true why relive the horror?

Title: Re: Mackenzie Phillips: I Slept with My Own Father
Post by Factory Girl on Sep 24^th, 2009 at 7:11am

Macky is on the Today show this am, pimping her book.

Title: Re: Mackenzie Phillips: I Slept with My Own Father
Post by texile on Sep 24^th, 2009 at 4:26pm

Michelle is slamming Mac, saying we can't believe anything out of the mouth of someone with a needle stuck in their arm their whole life, but.......Michelle,
That needle is there usually, to erase pain, emotional and otherwise..
people who have been damaged since childhood don't act, or react the way most of us would....
and her past, her addictions, her problems with men indicate some major, deep-seated issues.
and where else would that come from other than a parent?
and some parents can really fuck some people up.
but again, maybe not.

Title: Re: Mackenzie Phillips: I Slept with My Own Father
Post by lotsajizz on Sep 24^th, 2009 at 6:16pm

people who say shit about those who can't answer are not generally worthy of belief...especially in a commercial context....

Title: Re: Mackenzie Phillips: I Slept with My Own Father
Post by Zack on Sep 24^th, 2009 at 10:05pm

Kilroy wrote on Sep 23^rd, 2009 at 8:52pm:

I miss Perks.

Title: Re: Mackenzie Phillips: I Slept with My Own Father
Post by Lantern_High on Sep 25^th, 2009 at 5:07am

Kilroy wrote on Sep 23^rd, 2009 at 8:52pm:

Put a case, I'm her and I want sell my book and have my legacy.. I'm gonna try to think how the thing was been from her side.. but I cannot.
She's a bitch and a bastarda, (feminine) her dad a sick one. If you are in drug abuse for all your life and your daughter too,
I simply cant figure it out. But it happens everywhere.
What a motherfucker world

Title: Re: Mackenzie Phillips: I Slept with My Own Father
Post by AngieBlue on Sep 25^th, 2009 at 6:18am

I can't make up my mind as to whether I fully believe her or not. And it isn't because of some weird fan thing with John Phillips. The Mamas and Papas were long gone before I knew rock n roll was more than mom's Elvis and Buddy Holly records.

What I can't get past is why tell the known universe something like that? I understand talking to the ex wives and her half sister. That would make perfect sense. Close friends, perfect sense. But going on Oprah, GMA and the Today show to have a public cry and talk about her dad wanting her to run off to Fiji with him? And he isn't around to defend himself. Even with a book to promote, why would anyone want to have themselves and their father remembered more for this allegation than anything else?

And let's say it is true. Is going through the public scrutiny worth whatever vindication she may feel?

It's just sad all the way around, no matter what the truth is.

Title: Re: Mackenzie Phillips: I Slept with My Own Father
Post by Heart Of Stone on Sep 25^th, 2009 at 7:00am

My own personal feelings about it is it belongs in a psychiatry office, not in front of the world to see, I think it's a fucking shame she does this to sell a book & she comes up with this excuse that it might help someone else who's going through the same thing, go to a shrink & tell a shrink not the whole world, she probably doesn't have any money so she does this to sell a book.

Title: Re: Mackenzie Phillips: I Slept with My Own Father
Post by Factory Girl on Sep 25^th, 2009 at 7:06pm

Heart Of Stone wrote on Sep 25^th, 2009 at 7:00am:

Macky should just pimp Nutri-System, it did wonders for Valerie Bertinelli ;).

Title: Re: Mackenzie Phillips
Post by left shoe shuffle on Sep 25^th, 2009 at 7:17pm

Valerie Bertinelli shilled for Jenny Craig.

And Ms. Phillips is waifishly thin already.

Title: Re: Mackenzie Phillips
Post by Factory Girl on Sep 25^th, 2009 at 7:33pm

left shoe shuffle wrote on Sep 25^th, 2009 at 7:17pm:

Valerie Bertinelli shilled for Jenny Craig.

And Ms. Phillips is waifishly thin already.

Right on, shoey...Jenny Craig it is.

The point I tried to make...is...if Macky must pimp something...she could pimp something remotely positive...

Title: Re: Mackenzie Phillips: I Slept with My Own Father
Post by tumbledsomebody on Sep 25^th, 2009 at 9:37pm

Mackenzie needs to PIMP HERSELF ...

HELLOO!!!!!!!!!

Sell your shit GIRL ....

ITs all about YOU and You alone.

Title: Re: Mackenzie Phillips: I Slept with My Own Father
Post by corgi37 on Sep 26^th, 2009 at 12:38pm

I dont know if i believe this. I read that John was furious one time with Jagger as Mick was trying to screw his daughter. This would be around 78 or so.

then again. Maybe he was jealous! But fucking hell, why wait a few decades to tell people?

Incest - the game the whole family can play.

Title: Re: Mackenzie Phillips: I Slept with My Own Father
Post by uncleson on Sep 26^th, 2009 at 1:06pm

Heart Of Stone wrote on Sep 25^th, 2009 at 7:00am:

This does belong in a psychiatry office. For one thing, John Phillips is not here to defend himself.

Also, this certainly is an interesting time to reveal this "fact'. She's releasing a new book and I think I heard yesterday she'll be on Celebrity Rehab.

Beautiful women throw themselves at Mick. And, Mick has great taste in women. It doesnt make any sense that he would be even remotely interested in mackenzie.

Title: Re: Mackenzie Phillips: I Slept with My Own Father
Post by 2000monkey on Sep 26^th, 2009 at 3:02pm

I saw the Oprah Winfrey train wreck. She's not a good enough actress to have been making it up.

Title: Re: Mackenzie Phillips: I Slept with My Own Father
Post by Pdog on Sep 26^th, 2009 at 3:24pm

Are any of you really qualified or experienced enough to make these judgement calls you're making...???
I understand what she is saying, b/c I too experienced drug addiction and incest in my life... I wasn't ashamed of the sexual experience, I was ashamed b/c I enjoyed it after I it became routine and often and then, later, when I knew better I didn't do anything about it or stop it!!!
People who get to hear that message right now, who are in the grips of that shit right now or have lived with it in silence for a long time, may be helped. This has nothing to do with her Dad... He was a sick man too, like many, he was at one time possibly a victim, and went to the grave with his shame and guilt. She's is carrying a postive message, you just do not see it, take it into account when you approach this topic, much easier to judge others, than discern the truth of ourselves!!!

Title: Re: Mackenzie Phillips: I Slept with My Own Father
Post by jostorm on Sep 26^th, 2009 at 3:54pm

I'm not sure if you have noticed, pdog, but at least 50% of what is written on this board is nothing but judgement! I suppose you are the most capable to state an opinion here. And you're obviously passionate about the subject, and that is good.

If that was me, I wouldn't put it in a book for the entire world to read. But then I didn't experience all the demons she did fight with in her life. So, perhaps after living a lie for almost all of your life and carrying a secret around with you during your entire adulthood ( I mean, it must surely feel like a ton of metal on your shoulders), the book has been a catharsis for her, a liberation. Perhaps that makes her feel alive for the first time. To me it seems like an absolute horror, to become famous and loose my anonimity.

I blame Oprah Winfrey.

:blankfriggingstare1

Title: Re: Mackenzie Phillips: I Slept with My Own Father
Post by Sioux on Sep 26^th, 2009 at 4:00pm

For what it's worth....Denny Doherty's daughter evidently says it's true. And that many people knew it was happening at the time.

Title: Re: Mackenzie Phillips: I Slept with My Own Father
Post by jostorm on Sep 26^th, 2009 at 4:11pm

Sioux wrote on Sep 26^th, 2009 at 4:00pm:

For what it's worth....Denny Doherty's daughter evidently says it's true. And that many people knew it was happening at the time.

Now THAT's really bad

Title: Re: Mackenzie Phillips: I Slept with My Own Father
Post by sweetcharmedlife on Sep 26^th, 2009 at 4:55pm

jostorm wrote on Sep 26^th, 2009 at 4:11pm:

Sioux wrote on Sep 26^th, 2009 at 4:00pm:

For what it's worth....Denny Doherty's daughter evidently says it's true. And that many people knew it was happening at the time.

Now THAT's really bad

Yeah and did nothing about it. That's just as wrong.

Title: Re: Mackenzie Phillips: I Slept with My Own Father
Post by Heart Of Stone on Sep 26^th, 2009 at 7:24pm

A video of her (MacKenzie) on the Today show.
http://news.cnpanyu.com/2009/0926/6101.html

Title: Re: Mackenzie Phillips: I Slept with My Own Father
Post by uncleson on Sep 26^th, 2009 at 7:40pm

Pdog wrote on Sep 26^th, 2009 at 3:24pm:

I understand, believe and respect what you are saying about the effects of the various forms of abuse on children. Nevertheless, just because mackenzie said he did it, and Denny Doherty's daughter said he did it, that does not mean he did it.

In the United States we are presumed innocent untill proven guilty, and are entitled to a fair trial, and to face our accusers face to face in a court room.

I am not saying he did it, or he didnt do it. All Im saying is maybe it would have been better left in the privacy of the psychiatrists office, or at the Survivors meeting, rather than all over the media, as he is dead, and unable to defend himself.

The truth is, if he did not do it, these are absolutely horrible accusations.

Unfortunately, because there seems to be so much commercial incentive at this time, with the book and appearance on Celebrity Rehab, the profit motive appears to be accompanying the positive message she is trying to convey. The appearance of profit motive is clouding the issue.

Title: Re: Mackenzie Phillips: I Slept with My Own Father
Post by andrews27 on Sep 26^th, 2009 at 7:51pm

I feel sorry for anybody who slept with John Phillips.

Title: Re: Mackenzie Phillips: I Slept with My Own Father
Post by Pdog on Sep 26^th, 2009 at 7:53pm

uncleson wrote on Sep 26^th, 2009 at 7:40pm:

Pdog wrote on Sep 26^th, 2009 at 3:24pm:

you're assuming she is doing this for profit... think about what you're saying... it should be left in a doctors office, don't they make money off this misery? Yes, and who is to say this isn't more healing? This has nothing to do with guilt or innocenece from my POV... it is about incest and drugs and what can happen... It really seems like the one thing, that seems to influence opinion is the fame of these people, they're just people, if this wasn't a dead rock star, would you feel the same way?

Title: Re: Mackenzie Phillips: I Slept with My Own Father
Post by uncleson on Sep 26^th, 2009 at 9:19pm

Yes I would. Every US citizen, the famous or the salt of the earth, is entitled to the same rights and is innocent untill proven guilty. I had a cousin who developeed PTSD as a result of brutal and physical beatings at the hands of his stepfather. I now take care of his two sons as he commited suicide fifteen years ago. Child abuse touches so many lives, it has a "multiplier" effect.

I feel sympathy for mackenzie, but child abuse is such a horrible crime, if John was innocent of incest, now half the people are going to believe it whether its true or not.
Not that he had much of a reputation, but now........

Title: Re: Mackenzie Phillips: I Slept with My Own Father
Post by Pdog on Sep 27^th, 2009 at 6:13am

uncleson wrote on Sep 26^th, 2009 at 9:19pm:

where charges brought against your cousins father, is that why he killed himself or was he so ridden with guilt that he just one day kiled himself?

Title: Re: Mackenzie Phillips: I Slept with My Own Father
Post by uncleson on Sep 27^th, 2009 at 2:45pm

stepfather. no charges were ever made against him. my cousin was twelve at the time, it was 1965, and none of the adults would do anything with the exception of my parents who took him in to live with us from time to time.

People were more conservative in 1965 then they are now, and seemed to believe a parent, even a stepparent, could use physical discipline. Some of the adults blamed my cousin, some seemed to pretend it wasnt happening. To this day I distrust authority, and have no illusions as to just how bad parents, some parents, can be.

But his stepfather was an ex marine, in his thirties, who plummeled him with full fists and power, punching him straight on in the face, untill he was swollen and bloody. His stepfather would initiate the attacks by calling his real father names or through similar actions.

His PTSD slowly developed over time, with the hallucinations developing in the last year of his life, at age forty. Im not sure whether he felt guilty or not, but he had a deep feeling of inadequacy/and needing to 'save' people. Victims of seveere child abuse often develop PTSD.

As I say, I feel sorry for Mackenzie, but child abuse/involving incest is such a horrendous crime accusation, and is so serious, that the accused should face their day in court, not on Oprah.

Then, if convicted, serious penalties should be enforced. The punishment should fit the crime.

Title: Re: Mackenzie Phillips: I Slept with My Own Father
Post by texile on Sep 28^th, 2009 at 2:34pm

Pdog wrote on Sep 26^th, 2009 at 3:24pm:

much easier to judge others, than discern the truth of ourselves!!!

A much-needed response to this thread....
Thanks P-dog for that POV.
I have never experience incest or abuse of any kind, but have known victims of child abuse (not sexual)..and know how the tables turn on them once they begin to tell the truth about what happened to them. I have a much older cousin who has been a family pariah for my whole life because she claims her father was abusive, but the family, my family shunned her.....she has also battled emotional issues, drug addictions and the family throws that in her face ..
'well, you can't believe anything she says, she's crazy..' etc.
and i always wonder...'but what if she's not lying...'
the family doesn't want to believe it, so she's out....

happens all the time to victims of incest of any abuse.
they live witht the shame, guilt and then the fear of no one, especially family members, not believing them, labeling them liars etc..
but isn't that the natural response for many people?
i would rather not believe that the guy who wrote Monday, Monday could do something like this, but to just completely demonize MP's accusation seems unfair and reactionary to me.
after all, isn't part of the healing process to unleash those horrible secrets?
again, thank you P-dog for that perspective.....

we need to think before we point a finger.

Title: Re: Mackenzie Phillips: I Slept with My Own Father
Post by uncleson on Sep 28^th, 2009 at 5:11pm

"happens all the time to victims of incest of any abuse.
they live witht the shame, guilt and then the fear of no one, especially family members, not believing them, labeling them liars etc.."

texile, how true that is! my cousins brother, to this day, denies the abuse in a way, by telling others that his brother 'provoked' the attacks! He saw the attacks, like I did.
Most of the adult family members at the time hid their heads in the sand, and some turned on my abused cousin, the victim of this extreme physical abuse.

Title: Re: Mackenzie Phillips: I Slept with My Own Father
Post by Pdog on Sep 28^th, 2009 at 5:42pm

uncleson wrote on Sep 27^th, 2009 at 2:45pm:

i'm a bit confused, you're saying she shouldn't say anything, since the acused as you call them can't defend themselves, yet how is that different from the accusation that is coming from your family and your cousin?
and fix your fucking avatar, that thing needs to be resized!!!

Title: Re: Mackenzie Phillips: I Slept with My Own Father
Post by Gimme Shelter on Sep 28^th, 2009 at 7:07pm

I'm actually reading the book now.

Title: Re: Mackenzie Phillips: I Slept with My Own Father
Post by tumbledsomebody on Sep 28^th, 2009 at 9:17pm

this is something that shouldn't be considered normal behavior. that's all I was getting at by the huge publicity going on. I think people thru the media are beginning to think that child abuse, family homicide and domestic abuse is NORMAL and okay. That really upsets me. to no end. its not acceptable.

Title: Re: Mackenzie Phillips: I Slept with My Own Father
Post by Bitch on Sep 28^th, 2009 at 11:10pm

Well I have respect for Mackenzie Phillips' bravery, because she has put her story out there for criticism and rejection from society. It is difficult for her, she isnt doing it for the money or to make her father out to be a monster. She repeatedly said she loved her father and thats why she couldnt come out with this story until after he died, she didnt want to embarass him while he was alive. But loving and protecting him was her downfall, now everyone blames her for being a slutty scumbag fvcking her own father and capitalizing on it. I hope her story helps others face this taboo subject because obviously she isnt the only person in the world that had this happen to them. This opens up the dialog.

Title: Re: Mackenzie Phillips: I Slept with My Own Father
Post by Bitch on Sep 28^th, 2009 at 11:23pm

AND she said MICK fvckd her upstairs when her father was downstairs but he came up knocking on the door cursing MICK out for banging his daughter. And she said MICK was fabulous in bed and made her breakfast the next morning! Lucky girl to have MICK pop her when she was 18, thats what she says.

Title: Re: Mackenzie Phillips: I Slept with My Own Father
Post by andrews27 on Sep 28^th, 2009 at 11:45pm

I think she was younger than 18 with Mick.

Sometimes they run into each other at drug abuse charity events. She says, "Hey, grandpa - is that a Hohner in your Depends, or do you still remember me?"

:forfucksake

Title: Re: Mackenzie Phillips: I Slept with My Own Father
Post by Lantern_High on Sep 29^th, 2009 at 5:35am

Tumbled wrote on Sep 28^th, 2009 at 9:17pm:

Isnt easy talk about incest homicide domestic abuse and ect..
All this pubblicity just help her with her book to sell, hope is a sold out soon.. so she can have all the money that she seems to have this need.

But also seems that that seems NORMAL have all this kind of behavoiur inside the houses, and families.

I havent no words.
And is really the minimun talk about what she says Mick has done her.
Seem you real that Mick stared at her since the age of ten?
I dont think to Mick like have sex with children. Is an heavy accuse/ charge
Gimmie Shelter send me the book when you have done.
But is worthy read it?
Hmm...
After a lot of time and with one of the two dead.. I think wasnt the case to said it in front at the TV audience.. and then Oprah..

Title: Re: Mackenzie Phillips: I Slept with My Own Father
Post by Bitch on Sep 30^th, 2009 at 7:12am

I can see your only 13 years old, no I dont want your ID

uh I think it's safe to say MICK likes them young. I've heard 15, 16 and 13 in different versions of Stray Cat Blues. So any age over 13 is good! ;D

Title: Re: Mackenzie Phillips: I Slept with My Own Father
Post by Heart Of Stone on Sep 30^th, 2009 at 7:21am

Bitch wrote on Sep 30^th, 2009 at 7:12am:

I can't see Mick singing "I can see your only 10 years old, no, I don't want you ID" as MacKenzie said "I've been waiting for you since you were 10 years old" is what Jagger said.

Title: Re: Mackenzie Phillips: I Slept with My Own Father
Post by Bitch on Sep 30^th, 2009 at 8:00am

OK isnt the an old picture of the Stones with young naked girls all around them? Bill comes to mind especially but all of the Stones were there in the pic, it may have been a drawing and not an actual photo. Anyway nothing surprises me when it comes to the Stones and women.

Title: Re: Mackenzie Phillips: I Slept with My Own Father
Post by Heart Of Stone on Sep 30^th, 2009 at 8:19am

Bitch wrote on Sep 30^th, 2009 at 8:00am:

That was a painting by Guy Peellaert in his book "Rock Dreams" a fantasy of what he thought they could be, great book.

Stones_in_Nazi_Uniforms.jpg (Attachment deleted)

Title: Re: Mackenzie Phillips: I Slept with My Own Father
Post by Bitch on Sep 30^th, 2009 at 8:39am

Yes, that's the picture I was thinking of! Kind of perverted, no? Bill isnt in it but I guess I must of been thinking of Brian was the one who looks like is into little girls.

Title: Re: Mackenzie Phillips: I Slept with My Own Father
Post by Gazza on Sep 30^th, 2009 at 10:47am

Bitch wrote on Sep 30^th, 2009 at 8:39am:

Yes, that's the picture I was thinking of! Kind of perverted, no? Bill isnt in it but I guess I must of been thinking of Brian was the one who looks like is into little girls.

but its a fantasy on the part of the artist. Its not as if the Stones posed for it or had anything to do with it....

Title: Re: Mackenzie Phillips: I Slept with My Own Father
Post by uncleson on Sep 30^th, 2009 at 2:41pm

"'m a bit confused, you're saying she shouldn't say anything, since the acused as you call them can't defend themselves, yet how is that different from the accusation that is coming from your family and your cousin?
and fix your fucking avatar, that thing needs to be resized!!! "

In theory, there seems to be little difference.
However, in reality, mackenzie is making these accusations to a national audience on the OPrah show, while marketing her book, and before appearing on Celebrity Rehab. I think she should be discussing this with others. For example, a psychiatrist, a Survivors group, etcetera.
And discussing it within her family. I think her message is a good one that most of us need to hear. Its just that the timing is bad, and the profit motive is clouding the issue.

Title: Re: Mackenzie Phillips: I Slept with My Own Father
Post by texile on Sep 30^th, 2009 at 2:49pm

Bitch wrote on Sep 30^th, 2009 at 8:00am:

Anyway nothing surprises me when it comes to the Stones and women.

me either...
I'd read the part about Mick before and it sounds like him - at least the Mick in those days...
I have no doubt the Stones partook in many sordid activities involving underage groupies....that's a known fact and in Rock and Roll lore, somehow acceptable...

Title: Re: Mackenzie Phillips: I Slept with My Own Father
Post by Pdog on Sep 30^th, 2009 at 4:31pm

uncleson wrote on Sep 30^th, 2009 at 2:41pm:

Your perspective is wrong... She is not making accusations, she is confessing and admitting to what she did, he was just another particiapant. If you make this clear distinction, you can see how this is really a very good thing, regardless of how you feel about her making money or getting a certain type of exposure. She is admitting to alot of fucked up she did, and not using her dad as an excuse, she clearly accepts her responsibilty, and says how she knew better. A non addict will not get this, but anyone, who is, may be able to discern, the malady she has and how she used sex and drugs to be her solution for so long. I'm glad she lived to tell this tale, many do not. We are talking a life and death sickness... she has taken great risks, I applaud her... When all is said and done, she has to spend the rest of her life, doing the deal to stay sober and sane, not easy... If I was in her postion, I would like to think I would be brave enough to openly discuss something this horrific... it is the silence of incest, abuse, drugs ect... that keep so many from getting help... and we're lucky, b/c 50 years ago, they didn't have alot of places for people to go to get help, before finding AA or say a group of rape survivors... We are not as evolved as you think...

Title: Re: Mackenzie Phillips: I Slept with My Own Father
Post by Factory Girl on Sep 30^th, 2009 at 4:57pm

I fear this thread will appear on Oprah.

Title: Re: Mackenzie Phillips: I Slept with My Own Father
Post by uncleson on Sep 30^th, 2009 at 5:09pm

Theres always more than one way to look at any situation. More importantly you make sense. Im going to try and look at the situation with a different perspective.

And, you're right, she does have allot of guts.

Title: Re: Mackenzie Phillips: I Slept with My Own Father
Post by Pdog on Sep 30^th, 2009 at 5:43pm

Factory Girl wrote on Sep 30^th, 2009 at 4:57pm:

I fear this thread will appear on Oprah.

funny... really funny!

Title: Re: Mackenzie Phillips: I Slept with My Own Father
Post by Bitch on Sep 30^th, 2009 at 6:25pm

Gazza wrote on Sep 30^th, 2009 at 10:47am:

Bitch wrote on Sep 30^th, 2009 at 8:39am:

Yes, that's the picture I was thinking of! Kind of perverted, no? Bill isnt in it but I guess I must of been thinking of Brian was the one who looks like is into little girls.

but its a fantasy on the part of the artist. Its not as if the Stones posed for it or had anything to do with it....

Maybe so Gazza but the fact that someone imagined this happening says something about the Stone's lifestyle and reputation. It's not unimaginable, is it?

Title: Re: Mackenzie Phillips: I Slept with My Own Father
Post by Gazza on Sep 30^th, 2009 at 6:50pm

Bitch wrote on Sep 30^th, 2009 at 6:25pm:

Maybe so Gazza but the fact that someone imagined this happening says something about the Stone's lifestyle and reputation.

No..its only a reflection on Guy Peelart's warped imagination.

Bitch wrote on Sep 30^th, 2009 at 6:25pm:

It's not unimaginable, is it?

The Stones being Nazis and Keith putting his boot in the crotch of a pre-pubescent child is 'imaginable' ?

To whom?

Title: Re: Mackenzie Phillips: I Slept with My Own Father
Post by Ten Thousand Motels on Oct 2^nd, 2009 at 7:25am

Bitch wrote on Sep 28^th, 2009 at 11:23pm:

Lucky girl to have MICK pop her when she was 18, thats what she says.

Now that in itself is a Claim to Fame.
:wtf2

Title: Re: Mackenzie Phillips: I Slept with My Own Father
Post by Ten Thousand Motels on Oct 2^nd, 2009 at 7:37am

Chynna Phillips Speaks About Mackenzie's Allegations, and Her New Album
Phillips Believes Sister but Says There's No Way to 'Corroborate' Her Incest Story

By CHRIS CUOMO, THEA TRACHTENBERG and KATE McCARTHY
Oct. 1, 2009
ABC.com.go

Chynna Phillips said she "completely shut down" when sister Mackenzie Phillips told her about the alleged 10-year incestuous relationship with their father, John Phillips, 13 years ago. But now the singer said she hopes her new album and her sister's book bring some "healing" to the world.

Singer Chynna Phillips opens up about sister McKenzie's shocking news.

"I'm still struggling with it. It's going to be a lifelong journey for me," Chynna Phillips said. "It's a terrible, terrible thing."

Despite stating that she believes her sister, Chynna said she could not vouch for Mackenzie's version of the story in her new book, "High on Arrival."

"I cannot say that everything is just as it is written in the book. Because she admittedly was on drugs. So there's no way for me to be able to corroborate," Chynna said.

Mackenzie Phillips' Sister Believes Incest Story Stepmom Doubts Phillips' Incest Story

The former star of the '70s sitcom "One Day at a Time" said that she was first raped by her father, the late lead singer of the Mamas and the Papas, in a hotel room when she was 18 while passed out after a drug binge.

Although Chynna has known about the alleged relationship for years, Mackenzie did not tell Chynna about her tell-all book until after "the train had already left the station."

"She came up and she told me that she was going to be -- that the book was basically already written," Chynna said. "And that she was going to be writing about the incestuous relationship between she and my father."

Michelle Phillips, Mackenzie's stepmother and a former member of the band the Mamas and Papas, has publicly rebuked Mackenzie's allegations.

Michelle Phillips told the Hollywood Reporter that Mackenzie had "a lot of mental illness" and that "she's had a needle stuck up her arm for 35 years."

"Mackenzie is jealous of her siblings, who have accomplished a lot and did not become drug addicts," Michelle said.

Chynna acknowledged the family conflict but said she would not participate in it.

"There's a lot of animosity there. A lot of resentment," Phillips said. "Because I've always said that resentment is like drinking a ton of poison and waiting for the other person to die."

Chynna's New Album

Since Mackenzie's public confession on Oprah, counselors have seen a jump in people seeking help for abuse and incest.

Between Sept. 22 and Sept. 24 the Rape, Abuse and Incest National Network (RAINN) says its hotline had a 26 percent increase in call volume and their online hotline had an 83 percent spike.

"I hope that my album and her book bring a lot of peace and healing to the world," Phillips added. "That would be a wonderful gift."

Chynna, now a member of the Christian band Chynna and Vaughn, released her new album, "One Reason," the day before her sister's book.

The former Wilson Phillips band member says she loves Christian music because she can combine her faith and her music.

"I get to write prayer to God in my lyrics. And I get to perform in front of people, but it's not performing anymore. It's showing up to worship God and to be able to have other people in the room be there," Phillips said.

Title: Re: Mackenzie Phillips: I Slept with My Own Father
Post by Bitch on Oct 9^th, 2009 at 7:19am

So did anyone buy her book after all this hype?

Title: Re: Mackenzie Phillips: I Slept with My Own Father
Post by Edith Grove on Oct 9^th, 2009 at 8:38am

Bitch wrote on Oct 9^th, 2009 at 7:19am:

So did anyone buy her book after all this hype?

Hell no! :boring

Title: Re: Mackenzie Phillips: I Slept with My Own Father
Post by Lantern_Ruby on Oct 9^th, 2009 at 9:02am

Edith Grove wrote on Oct 9^th, 2009 at 8:38am:

Bitch wrote on Oct 9^th, 2009 at 7:19am:

So did anyone buy her book after all this hype?

Hell no! :boring

You know? I'd asked to Gimmie Shelter if he/she may borrow me the book, but after all this.. hmm
think, well, hell,no thanks, always I'm still reading the Keith's biography.. and others more interesting.

Blew! Puah! (this kind of stuffs) :interestingstuffronnie

Title: Re: Mackenzie Phillips: I Slept with My Own Father
Post by Gimme Shelter on Oct 9^th, 2009 at 12:41pm

Finished the book a couple of days ago and all I can say is she has had a fucked up life. There is one part in the book where she says her dad and Keith left her alone in a house when she was little for a few days while they were out on a binge.

Title: Re: Mackenzie Phillips: I Slept with My Own Father
Post by Heart Of Stone on Oct 9^th, 2009 at 1:29pm

Gimme Shelter wrote on Oct 9^th, 2009 at 12:41pm:

That was also in "Papa John" she did say on one of those talk shows that, that book covers a lot too, except her Father having sex with her.

Title: Re: Mackenzie Phillips: I Slept with My Own Father
Post by Jesus Christ on Oct 9^th, 2009 at 3:28pm

I always have lingering doubts about the veracity of stories like this, especially when there's product to flog.

However, I do think that perhaps a Nobel Peace prize in her future!

(I'm going to start adding this ungrammatical non sequitur to every post!)

Title: Re: Mackenzie Phillips: I Slept with My Own Father
Post by Riffhard on Oct 9^th, 2009 at 3:49pm

LOL! The anger in you is growing! Your hatred is palpable! Use your hatred JC! Lash out with it!

But know this, I shan't be goaded into joining you in the Obama circle-jerk thread until 2010. Go stroke Barry JC! Stoke him dahling!

Thanks for pointing out my grammar mistake! You're tops!

Ya classless little pussy.

Riffy

Title: Re: Mackenzie Phillips: I Slept with My Own Father
Post by Jesus Christ on Oct 9^th, 2009 at 4:04pm

You're welcome, my friend Mr. Riffhard!

I'm not sure where you see any anger. There is none. It's a fine day. I have nice plans for the weekend with my loved ones. And you?

You've already returned to the Obama thread, so "goading" you into that AGAIN would be superfluous. And pursuing politics in the incest thread is verboten, I think.

However, I do think that perhaps a Nobel Peace prize in your future!

Title: Re: Mackenzie Phillips: I Slept with My Own Father
Post by Riffhard on Oct 9^th, 2009 at 4:30pm

Jesus Christ wrote on Oct 9^th, 2009 at 4:04pm:

LOL! You're such a little twerp. A little sad excuse of a man who so blatantly exhibits passive aggressiveness. I'd love to see you try that little pussified trick to my face. Go bow at the alter of your Marxist in Chief. I'm done with you until that glorious day in 2010 when I can laugh in your face. The folks that claim that you are only here for the intent of trying to rile me have proven to be correct in their spot on analysis. You are a bitter little sorry excuse of a man, and you hide behind a lame and offensive alias. I must say that I liked the way you tried to throw everyone off the scent with your birthday wish to Pdog. I know that you're not Essy. I know for a fact that you are that sorry assed limpwristed Flea. So Jon, you can kiss my ass.

Riffy

Title: Re: Mackenzie Phillips: I Slept with My Own Father
Post by fuman on Oct 9^th, 2009 at 5:48pm

Riffhard wrote on Oct 9^th, 2009 at 3:49pm:

I don't want to start anything here, but would like to point out that you have put JC in the position of the good guy, and you have taken the bad guys position with regards to the Star Wars quote. Somehow I don't think that was your intention . . .

Title: Re: Mackenzie Phillips: I Slept with My Own Father
Post by Glimmer Twin on Oct 9^th, 2009 at 5:58pm

This story turns my stomach. It's amazing that there is such trash in the world. Pure low lifes.

Title: Re: Mackenzie Phillips: I Slept with My Own Father
Post by keiths liver on Oct 9^th, 2009 at 6:22pm

Re: Mackenzie Phillips: I Slept with My Own Father
Reply #111 - Today at 3:58pm This story turns my stomach. It's amazing that there is such trash in the world. Pure low lifes.

Agreed- and our pals Mick and Keith were right in the middle of it. Mick was really in the middle of it, so to speak. Nice guys huh?

Title: Re: Mackenzie Phillips: I Slept with My Own Father
Post by Mr. Sex Drugs Rock n Roll on Oct 10^th, 2009 at 12:16am

Riffhard wrote on Oct 9^th, 2009 at 4:30pm:

Jesus Christ wrote on Oct 9^th, 2009 at 4:04pm:

Mr. Riffhard, I do say I was quite intrigued upon reading this threads in depth discourse into Mrs Phillips claims of incestuous, sexual abuse until I came upon your most vile and provoking personal attacks upon one of it's participants. If this type of personal assault is indeed all that you can muster then please take your baggage and refine it to the dreaded "politics" thread were it belongs! Do not let it infect the discourse of others here, or I do say, I shall have to leave this message forum and take my interest in this topic to other avenues of these internets

Title: Re: Mackenzie Phillips: I Slept with My Own Father
Post by Riffhard on Oct 10^th, 2009 at 1:05am

Mr. Sex Drugs Rock n Roll wrote on Oct 10^th, 2009 at 12:16am:

Riffhard wrote on Oct 9^th, 2009 at 4:30pm:

Jesus Christ wrote on Oct 9^th, 2009 at 4:04pm:

Mr. Riffhard, I do say I was quite intrigued upon reading this threads in depth discourse into Mrs Phillips claims of incestuous, sexual abuse until I came upon your most vile and provoking personal attacks upon one of it's participants. If this type of personal assault is indeed all that you can muster then please take your baggage and refine it to the dreaded "politics" thread were it belongs! Do not let it infect the discourse of others here, or I do say, I shall have to take my interest in this issue to other avenues of these internets

It is quite clear to me that you have absolutley no understanding of what is going on here. I have no dislike for any of the posters here, save one. It is that one that has gone out of his way on various threads to try and goad me back to a thread which I have happily resigned from. Either that or he just wants to fan the flames? I can't begin to pretend to understand his warped logic. You don't know the history of this fight, nor the history of the poster in question. I'd advise you to take up your implied threat with the prick that has gone out of his way to stir derision at every turn. I am quite certain that if your looking for anyone gulity "vile and provoking personal attacks" then you need look no further than the man/child who goes by the insulting, and offensive, alias of JC. At one time I was as diplomatic as any poster on this site towards this person, but I am not one to take a personal attack in stride. Especially one coming from such contemptable lowlife as this jerk. Get to know the history and get back to me. You favor his politics I guess? Well this isn't about politics, I have abandoned that useless worn out thread. Go back and peruse this thread, and if you have done any bouncing around on the board at all, you will see exactly who started this crap. Here's a hint-I ain't the one.

Riffy

Title: Re: Mackenzie Phillips: I Slept with My Own Father
Post by Ginda on Oct 10^th, 2009 at 10:35am

I wish Mackenzie happy healing, but I'll spend my money on Paul Shaffer's book.

Title: Re: Mackenzie Phillips: I Slept with My Own Father
Post by Lantern_Ruby on Oct 10^th, 2009 at 11:27am

Ginda wrote on Oct 10^th, 2009 at 10:35am:

I wish Mackenzie happy healing, but I'll spend my money on Paul Shaffer's book.

Is was been a trauma for her Ginda. A longest way to healing. If just her story is true.
I dont like the part there above where was talked about Mick.
Mick with the children? Well.. I cant hardly believe it. About of books, I probably I will put up a thread about them. Need some suggestions and are stronger wanted some advices.
Soon it will be my B_Day and I want spend some dimes to read worthy books.
And this dontmean none with the thread....(!!!!)

Title: Re: Mackenzie Phillips: I Slept with My Own Father
Post by StPeteStone on Oct 10^th, 2009 at 12:03pm

[quote author=Lantern_Ruby link=1253673105/100#116 date=1255192024 About of books, I probably I will put up a thread about them. Need some suggestions and are stronger wanted some advices.
Soon it will be my B_Day and I want spend some dimes to read worthy books.
[/quote]

Lanty, I suggest forgetting the books and go all in................

Title: Re: Mackenzie Phillips: I Slept with My Own Father
Post by Gimme Shelter on Oct 10^th, 2009 at 12:05pm

StPeteStone wrote on Oct 10^th, 2009 at 12:03pm:

Lanty, I suggest forgetting the books and go all in................

[/quote]

BSG is great

Title: Re: Mackenzie Phillips: I Slept with My Own Father
Post by fjus on Oct 11^th, 2009 at 5:23am

Lantern_Ruby wrote on Oct 10^th, 2009 at 11:27am:

[quote author=Ginda link=1253673105/100#115 date=1255188950]
I dont like the part there above where was talked about Mick.
Mick with the children? Well.. I cant hardly believe it. About of books, I probably I will put up a thread about them. Need some suggestions and are stronger wanted some advices.

No reaction on this?
I think it was bad for Mick, that M. Phillips mentioned her abusive father and Mick in one story. So some seem to believe, that Mick was somehow involved. Maybe Mick was friends with John, but that does not mean that he knew anything about it. Also some newspapers tried to make a story where no story was, with headlines like: "Mick slept with her when she was still a teen", which puts him somehow on the same level like Polanski or any childabuser. Yes - she was a teen, but EIGHTteen. so he did not do anything wrong.

Title: Re: Mackenzie Phillips: I Slept with My Own Father
Post by Lantern_Ruby on Oct 11^th, 2009 at 6:01am

fjus wrote on Oct 11^th, 2009 at 5:23am:

Lantern_Ruby wrote on Oct 10^th, 2009 at 11:27am:

Fjius. I havent read the book, but yes if her was 18, it change so much all. I dont like people childrenabuser as Polansky. No matter if for him was passed 35 or more years from the fact with a 13 little girl.
I dont/cant know what is going on the Mick mind, but one thing is sure. To him dont like the kids, and is not a children lovers.
If one watch the past fianceès and wifes of Mick they was always been grow up girls.
I like just Marianne.. but is my taste. And no, I'm not a gay. Not yet... lol

Title: Re: Mackenzie Phillips: I Slept with My Own Father
Post by Lantern_Ruby on Oct 11^th, 2009 at 6:04am

StPeteStone wrote on Oct 10^th, 2009 at 12:03pm:

Lanty, I suggest forgetting the books and go all in................

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Join me on Facebook instead. But why forget them? I like read. If I dont read in the evening I cant sleep. No thread on the books then? Can I say something to you? HUFFY!

Title: Re: Mackenzie Phillips: I Slept with My Own Father
Post by Edith Grove on Feb 2^nd, 2010 at 6:42pm

MacKenzie's back in the news again, and "reframing" her story:

http://www.cnn.com/2010/SHOWBIZ/TV/02/02/mackenzie.phillips.incest/index.html

Title: Re: Mackenzie Phillips: I Slept with My Own Father
Post by Heart Of Stone on Feb 3^rd, 2010 at 9:35am

Thanks EG for this, she's somebody who certainly loves being in the news, maybe Celebrity Rehab will get her even more publicity.