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Title: Update on Mick Taylor and article Post by Voodoo Chile In Wonderland on Sep 12th, 2009 at 6:19pm
Mick has NOT confirmed any new tour date yet, he will return to hospital in October for a check up of his lungs
:smilemick Here's an article not related with the above: The Rolling Stone who's stony broke: Why Mick Taylor lives in a rundown Suffolk semi with a shabby car By Bob Graham Last updated at 11:22 PM on 12th September 2009 http://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-1213013/The-Rolling-Stone-whos-stony-broke-Why-Mick-Taylor-lives-rundown-Suffolk-semi-shabby-car.html#ixzz0QwABxXPv It is a curious effect of the passage of time that The Rolling Stones are now as much admired for their business acumen as for their rock and roll. Nearly half a century after their rebellious beginnings, the Stones remain the world’s highest-earning rock stars. Their albums have made them £250million and their spectacular tours have grossed upwards of £1.8billion. Mick Jagger, whose androgynous sneer was once so feared by The Establishment, is now canny Sir Mick with a £225million fortune and palatial homes on three continents. Unpaid bills:Mick Taylor believes he could be owed millions of pounds in royalties Even guitarist Ronnie Wood, a relative newcomer who was only made a full member of the band in 1990, was estimated to be worth £70million during his recent divorce. All of which is a source of bitter amusement to the shambling figure in a dark grey duffel coat, stopping to light his umpteenth cigarette of the day as he walks from his ramshackle cottage in rural Suffolk to the village shop. Mick Taylor is Ronnie Wood’s direct predecessor and the musical virtuoso behind the Rolling Stones’ golden age. When the band announced six weeks ago that it was switching record labels from EMI to Universal, much was made of the continuing selling power of classic albums such as Exile On Main Street, Let It Bleed and Sticky Fingers – all made in an astonishingly productive five-year period between 1969 and 1974, when Taylor was the Stones’ lead guitarist. Rolling in it: Mick Jagger and Mick Taylor together on stage in 1972 Taylor, who replaced the erratic Brian Jones, played guitar on Honky Tonk Women, Wild Horses, Angie, It’s Only Rock And Roll and a host of other classic tracks. He was present at the height of the band’s decadent excess at Nellcote in the South of France in the summer of 1971 and on the legendary tours of America in 1969 and 1972-73. Yet Taylor walked away from the band at the height of its musical powers. And while Jagger, Keith Richards, Bill Wyman and Charlie Watts have become fabulously wealthy on the back of music he helped make, Taylor scrapes a hand-to-mouth existence by playing pub gigs and hasn’t seen a penny in royalties from the Rolling Stones since 1982. For years, he has refused to discuss his time as a Stone and has brushed off the two questions that have dogged him ever since: why did he leave, and does he regret it? Now, 61-year-old Taylor has broken his silence in an extraordinary interview with The Mail on Sunday. It is clear that the scruffy, two-bedroom semi where he has lived for the past 20 years hardly fits the image of a former Rolling Stone. The tiny house in a Suffolk country lane is in serious need of repair and redecoration. ‘Yeah, I know it needs doing,’ he said dismissively. ‘I just don’t feel up for it right now.’ Even less edifying is the unopened stack of bills and threats to cut off the water, electricity and gas. The uncut grass, empty cans in the kitchen sink and the ancient car parked in the driveway with weeds growing through its wheels also tell a tale. The thick-set Taylor has none of the dandyish elegance of Jagger or the outlaw chic of Keith Richards. His once-golden mane of hair is streaked with grey. He is jowly and far heavier than in his prime – the legacy, he admits, of years of drug abuse. ‘People are always asking me whether I regret leaving the Rolling Stones,’ he said. ‘I make no bones about it – had I remained with the band, I would probably be dead. Mick Taylor's rundown Suffolk semi 'I was having difficulties with drug addiction and couldn’t have lasted. But I’m clean now and have been for years. ‘My life is so much better now than being a drug-ravaged member of the Stones. So no, I don’t regret leaving. ‘But people who really know me ask another question – whether I regret joining the Stones. To me, that’s far more astute.’ In truth, Taylor has always been ambivalent about the Stones – a fact that explains in part why he has never pursued what he believes may be millions of pounds in unpaid royalties. For all his undoubted virtuosity on the electric guitar, he was never a huge fan of the band and found their brand of bar-room rock and roll musically limited. Mick Taylor's old car decays in the overgrown garden ‘When they asked me to come to the studio in 1969, I thought they just wanted me to play a session,’ he recalled. ‘I sort of liked them, but was never passionate about the Stones. In some ways I liked The Beatles more. ‘At the first session, I overdubbed the guitar on Honky Tonk Women, but I thought they were all a little bit vain and full of themselves. ‘After doing guitar parts on three songs, I said to Mick and Keith, “If you guys are just going to sit and mess around, I’m going home. I’ve got things to do.” I told them to give me a call if they wanted me to do anything else. ‘The next day, Mick called and asked if I wanted to join. He came and picked me up in his Bentley. I wasn’t impressed by all that and I think they kind of liked that attitude. ‘Part of the charm of the Rolling Stones, as far as I could see, was that they were not technically very good but were very raw and had great ideas.’ Taylor was always set apart from the rest of the band, who had already been together for seven years by the time he joined. He was five years younger than his bandmates and a far more gifted instrumentalist, having toured for three years with the influential John Mayall and the Bluesbreakers. Furthermore, as a fitter’s son from Hatfield, Hertfordshire, he was genuinely working class, while the Stones were middle-class boys pretending to be rough. From January 1971, he also had a daughter, Chloe, to support from a short-lived marriage to his first wife, Rosie. His first public appearance with the band was the Stones’ huge free concert in Hyde Park, which became an impromptu memorial for the band’s founder and original guitarist Brian Jones, who had been found dead two days earlier. Taylor’s influence on the band was immediately appreciated by critics and fans alike for his brilliant, fluid guitar-playing. And climbing aboard the Stones’ rollercoaster gave him access to an extraordinary world he had never even dreamed of. ‘There was as much sex as you wanted,’ he smiled. ‘That was part of being a rock musician, especially in America. And they always had people around them telling them how great they were and to try some of this or that. I hated that. 'Keith in particular was surrounded by people telling him how great he was when he could hardly keep his eyes open.’ Taylor revealed that around 1972-73, Keith’s drug-taking became a serious problem. ‘Several times the band almost broke up,’ he said. ‘Keith had his own separate social scene and it was obvious there was a lot of drug-taking. There were also problems travelling to certain countries because of all the drug convictions. ‘When I left John Mayall I was a London musician with London friends. But because the band wanted to live in France to be tax exiles, I was forced to go along with them. 'I didn’t need to be a tax exile, I didn’t have financial problems to hide. It was all very well being with the Stones and apparently making all this money – although no one really knew how much because it was all on paper – but I was losing my friends and missing the scene in London. 'I began to realise how big an effect the Stones was having on my life.’ By now Taylor was also dabbling with narcotics. ‘It began as an occasional recreational thing,’ he explained. ‘I never thought I would get addicted. But by the time I returned to London in 1973, I’d become more and more dependent. I was using every day. ‘By 1974, I felt I’d gone as far as I could with the band. I didn’t think they’d stay together. The records were doing well but the band was falling apart – it was in chaos. ‘Mick and Keith weren’t talking or working together and it was taking longer and longer to make the albums. So as well as Keith’s addiction there was Mick’s frustration and my own disenchantment and disillusionment with them.’ And Taylor confided: ‘I was a bit impulsive back then. I had a reputation on stage of being quiet, but off it I wasn’t. We used to fight and argue all the time. And one of the things I got angry about was that Mick had promised to give me some credit for some of the songs – and he didn’t. ‘I believed I’d contributed enough. Let’s put it this way – without my contribution those songs would not have existed. There’s not many but enough, things like Sway and Moonlight Mile on Sticky Fingers and a couple of others. 'I took offence and that was a contributory factor in my departure. But I’d never seen being with the Stones as a permanent thing. ‘When I told the Stones’ office I was leaving, they asked for my gold Amex card. Mick tried to persuade me to stay, but I told him I was fed up and how my drug problems were beginning to worry me. 'Mick suggested taking six months off, but I’ve never been good at taking advice. Maybe I should have listened.’ Given all that, it is perhaps not surprising that it was not an amicable split. ‘When I left, they cut off my money for a year, just like that,’ said Taylor. ‘But I had to leave because I was frustrated. ‘I had a creative relationship with Mick, but I was also bored for a lot of the time. I wanted more and they wanted to remain the same. I also wanted to deal with my drug problems. I believed if I removed myself from that situation I would sort myself out.’ But life outside the band was not easy. Taylor divorced Rose, sold his gold records, moved to New York and squandered most of his money on heroin and cocaine. ‘I was addicted then, using anything I could get,’ he said. The downward spiral continued even when he flew back to Hertfordshire to sit at his father’s deathbed. ‘My father was dying of liver cancer and was in terrible pain in hospital,’ Taylor recalled. ‘He said he knew I’d been using drugs and asked if I would ask the nurses for stronger painkillers. I did and they gave him morphine. I sat there trying to balance the irony of the situation. 'My father needed morphine to ease his pain and there was me, addicted to the stuff for pleasure. I was so disgusted, I felt numb.’ Taylor moved to Los Angeles in 1990 and enrolled at a methadone clinic in Hollywood Boulevard. ‘I joined the line of junkies. I was a virtual down and out,’ he admitted. ‘My lowest time was in the clinic on Christmas Day. A nurse gave me a tumbler of methadone and said, “Have a nice Christmas.” 'I told her there wasn’t any Christmas for junkies. I decided to go back to England to find a cure, however painful.’ Since the end of his marriage to his second wife, an American called Valerie, Taylor has lived on his own and rarely sees his daughter Chloe, or Emma, a second daughter by a one-time backing singer with his band. But he still plays music with friends, including former Jeff Beck keyboard player Max Middleton, ex-Manfred Mann guitarist Denny Newman and ex-Snowy White drummer Jeff Allen. On the days he has some money, he roots through the stack of bills and pays the ones he can. When he doesn’t, which is often, he phones his friends and suggests they play a few gigs in local pubs and clubs, living out of the back of a Transit van. But what about his royalties from the Stones? ‘In 1982 they stopped paying me. They’d signed to a different record company and had new contracts and were advised they didn’t need to pay me any more,’ explained Taylor with a shrug. ‘Until then, I’d had a contract with Rolling Stones Records which was licensed to Atlantic Records – the same contract as the rest of the band.’ The deal gave him an equal share of performing royalties, though Jagger and Richards shared the writers’ royalties. But when the Atlantic contract expired, the band’s management used a loophole in Taylor’s contract to stop all payments. ‘I should have got a lawyer,’ he said. ‘But instead I called them rude words and asked how they could just stop paying me. They all know it’s not right. In fact it is outrageous. They get all the money and I get the plaudits and praise, even from Mick. ‘I’ve tried to talk to Mick a couple of times, but I realise that hiring a lawyer is probably the only way they’ll take me seriously. But they figure I’m not going to do anything about it.’ Taylor thinks for a moment, then adds: ‘I’m going to do something about it because it’s morally wrong to cut my royalties for those six albums |
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Title: Re: Update on Mick Taylor and article Post by Bitch on Sep 12th, 2009 at 6:36pm
That sucks and it's so unfair MICK T has not been collecting royalties since 1982! But come on, man, 1982 was 27 years ago! Why didnt he hire a lawyer back then? It's a bit late now, isnt it? Oh poor MICK T, he's a broken down man. I really feel sorry that he didnt speak up for his rights years ago! What was he afraid of? The worst that could of happened is that they determined NO, he isnt entitled to any royalties, but anything he could of gotten all those years would be better than nothing, even if they threw him a very small percentage!! That's a fvcking shame.
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Title: Re: Update on Mick Taylor and article Post by Paranoid Android on Sep 12th, 2009 at 6:42pm
It is still bewildering to think that Taylor, much like his home, is in such a state of disrepair...
great article though...thanx VooDoo |
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Title: Re: Update on Mick Taylor and article Post by Ginda on Sep 12th, 2009 at 6:42pm
>Mick suggested taking six months off, but I’ve never been good at taking advice. Maybe I should have listened.’ <
I wish he had listened. Too late now but it's outrageous that he is being cheated out of royalties. I hope he gets a shark of an attorney and goes after what is rightfully his. |
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Title: Re: Update on Mick Taylor and article Post by sweetcharmedlife on Sep 12th, 2009 at 6:48pm
Interesting article. Thanks for posting Voodoo. Pretty harsh life Mick has led and it just makes you shake your head at the cold hard callousness of Jagger and Keith and the band's management.
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Title: Re: Update on Mick Taylor and article Post by Nellcote on Sep 12th, 2009 at 7:12pm
Two sides to every story.
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Title: Re: Update on Mick Taylor and article Post by Bitch on Sep 12th, 2009 at 7:18pm Nellcote wrote on Sep 12th, 2009 at 7:12pm:
Sometimes 3 or 4 sides! :perverted |
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Title: Re: Update on Mick Taylor and article Post by Mel Belli on Sep 12th, 2009 at 7:20pm
I just had to endure the Phillies blowing another late-inning lead, and then I read this. Thanks! I think I'll experiment with wrist-cutting!
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Title: Re: Update on Mick Taylor and article Post by sweetcharmedlife on Sep 12th, 2009 at 7:21pm Nellcote wrote on Sep 12th, 2009 at 7:12pm:
So what's the other side then Nellie? |
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Title: Re: Update on Mick Taylor and article Post by platter on Sep 12th, 2009 at 7:32pm
i have a sneeking feeling the stones are not going to pony up millions in back royalties. i do not think this will happen and if it does i will eat my hat. best of luck there mick.
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Title: Re: Update on Mick Taylor and article Post by left shoe shuffle on Sep 12th, 2009 at 7:43pm Sad Sad Sad Coupla things though: The article says the Stones left EMI for Universal "six weeks ago". That deal was signed last year. And why no mention of MT's recent ill health/recovery? |
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Title: Re: Update on Mick Taylor and article Post by Nellcote on Sep 12th, 2009 at 7:53pm sweetcharmedlife wrote on Sep 12th, 2009 at 7:21pm:
I would think there is more to this story than what Mick Taylor is claiming. |
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Title: Re: Update on Mick Taylor and article Post by Gazza on Sep 12th, 2009 at 7:57pm Nellcote wrote on Sep 12th, 2009 at 7:12pm:
No doubt, but if true, the bit about "using a loophole" in his contract to stop his royalties is pretty shameful. Considering the fact that the current four band members have a collective worth in excess of $1 billion, it would hardly kill them to help the guy out financially. Reading stuff like this, I'm actually embarrassed for them. Taylor may have made some bad decisions in his life, but someone who's made the contribition to the Stones' music that he has shouldn't be treated in the way he has been. I hope he sues the greedy, soulless bastards. Not that they'll miss a few million. |
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Title: Re: Update on Mick Taylor and article Post by fuman on Sep 12th, 2009 at 8:24pm Gazza wrote on Sep 12th, 2009 at 7:57pm:
Well said Gazza. |
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Title: Re: Update on Mick Taylor and article Post by Gimme Shelter on Sep 12th, 2009 at 8:38pm
He did show up with them at the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame ceremony.
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Title: Re: Update on Mick Taylor and article Post by tumbledsomebody on Sep 12th, 2009 at 8:47pm
I don't think his house looks at all rundown. It looks like a cozy and relaxing cottagey place to live. Still it seems like if there is a re-release of Exile and any material that he contributed to there should be a lawyer that could get his fair share at least of performances. at least for health care. I mean geez. have a heart
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Title: Re: Update on Mick Taylor and article Post by tumbledsomebody on Sep 12th, 2009 at 9:17pm
I keep editing my post. Mick Taylor needs to come out with the songs that he claims he was author of and prove it. There is a need for some ego and backbone here. I think he suffers from depression and self esteem issues. OBVIOUSLY to you and me WE APPRECIATE HIS CONTRIBUTION and maybe the stones for this reason do not play or release the songs that MT was author of. IN that case, he needs to go directly to the source and ask for a sum. Of course we do not know the verbatim of his contracts.
----------------------- that aside, If anybody knows Mick Taylor. Tell him to contact Rhythm and Blues Foundation, Howell Begle or Bonnie Raitt who can help him establish royalties through their lawyer contacts and especially becuase of their relationship with Ahmet Ertegun and Atlantic Records. They have helped numerous artists in this situation. EMI did an endowment for this purpose. Howell is a great person. I was lucky to have worked for him. Ruth Brown, Charles Brown, the Drifters and the Clovers and many other artists have receivd funds for medical and contractual assistance for further economic benefit. (some of it from R&B Foundation fundraising, which I don't think takes place anymore) It seems like Atlantic Records and Stones should work together to consider this situation in some way. |
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Title: Re: Update on Mick Taylor and article Post by wiseblood on Sep 12th, 2009 at 9:51pm
The whole Mick Taylor story to me is disturbing and so typical of most of the musicians out there.
It doesn't matter how god damn talented you are if you are a lazy fucking bastard. Mick COULD have been okay if he had gotten out of the Stones, recorded right away, went on the road, and had a career for himself. The writing was on the wall over 30 years ago for all of this. He waited over 5 years to release his first solo record and the thing isn't even that good. What the fuck was he doing for all that time? I know he wasn't busy writing good music because Stone Alone is a wash. I kinda felt bad for him for a while, but you just can't. He wasn't fired from the Stones. He left. No one told him he couldn't make a go of it on his own. He chose to wait all those years to release a solo album. He was the one that chose to let himself go. He was the one that wanted to live only on his short time in the Stones and that is all. I saw a DVD of him from around 2007. It was sad. He didn't play all that well. Don't get me wrong, SOMETIMES you could hear the real Mick Taylor in there BEGGING to come out, but his fingers were fumbling over each other and he just didn't have the magic anymore. At this point in the game - and i hate to say it because his role on the tour was SHIT - I would take a 1999 Ronnie over a 2009 Mick Taylor. At least Ronnie "looks" the part and can sort of live up to what it means to be a Stone. Mick Taylor was good, but seeing that DVD changed my feelings about him. His legacy remains, but he needs to stay far, far away from the Stones and just get healthy. I don't want any discussion of him sitting in or joining them for a show (not that it's happening, but still...). He's a mess and only has himself to blame. |
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Title: Re: Update on Mick Taylor and article Post by tumbledsomebody on Sep 12th, 2009 at 9:59pm
Sad to say his further playing and his later output has no bearing but for what he contributed and wrote for which royalties were produced. (From what I've read its Sway, Moonlight Mile and Ventilator Blues) but we all know how great his performances were for ANGIE. Since there maybe is not much royalty from those 3 for which he has actual credit
he can ask for assistance for those from Atlantic or the Stones and that would be worth SOMETHING |
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Title: Re: Update on Mick Taylor and article Post by Zack on Sep 13th, 2009 at 2:19am
As far as I understand royalties, there are songwriter's credits and arrangers credits, the latter of which is usually split equally among band members so everyone gets a piece of the action, not only the guys who get their names under the songs.
In that case, one fifth of the arranger's credits for Ya Yas (he probably just got a session fee for LIB), Sticky (second biggest seller ever, no?), Exile, Soup, and IORR, plus a bit on TY since 1982 would appear to me to be a substantial amount of money. Indeed in the millions. |
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Title: Re: Update on Mick Taylor and article Post by Heart Of Stone on Sep 13th, 2009 at 6:25am
It's a shame, but that's what drug addiction will do, by not going after his royalties back then, he was probably so sick, & surrounded by all the wrong people, people not looking out for his best interests, that he passed on that, I have heard his wife at the time, Rose, was a real piece of work, she once almost killed Angie Bowie by giving her uncut heroin to snort, & she thought it was Cocaine, she feel on the pavement & almost crack her skull (that's in AB book "Backstage passes") she calls her a witch, but the drugs & the hanger on's must have been really bad, like Mick said, if he didn't leave The Stones he would have been dead.
Look at Ronnie, he hasn't got that Keef toughness to handle Booze & drugs, I certainly think Mick T. deserves the royalties for those songs, some of which is practically his (Can You Hear Me Knocking/Sway/Time Waits For no one/Moonlight Mile) & a lot from Exile & GHS, like Gazza mentioned earlier, The Stones can certainly afford to give him some money, they probably wouldn't miss a couple of million at all. |
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Title: Re: Update on Mick Taylor and article Post by Voodoo Chile In Wonderland on Sep 13th, 2009 at 12:19pm
Check this video, at 6:23 is Mick playing slide with his Les Paul and at minute 5:36 Chuck Leavell
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KZOcKOOqkiA Thanks Nico @ SW5 |
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Title: Re: Update on Mick Taylor and article Post by Mel Belli on Sep 13th, 2009 at 12:53pm Zack wrote on Sep 13th, 2009 at 2:19am:
There are royalties for songwriting, publishing, and performing. I see no reason why Taylor shouldn't be receiving the latter, and I'd love to hear an explanation on the contract "loophole." Sounds fishy... |
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Title: Re: Update on Mick Taylor and article Post by Factory Girl on Sep 13th, 2009 at 2:54pm
Voo, thanks for the posting.
Mick Taylor's saga just makes me fucking sad at this point. He should get a lawyer and fight to get his dues, but at this stage of the game, he lacks the strenght, endurance and the finances to do so. I would like Mick or Keith to pay him out, but I know they will not. |
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Title: Re: Update on Mick Taylor and article Post by Gazza on Sep 13th, 2009 at 4:07pm
Lightnin' (from IORR) adds this little postscript to the Mail On Sunday's 'interview' :
Mick T did not know about this article and would not have wanted it to be printed. Furthermore, he's very disappointed with Bob Graham (an old schoolfriend from Hatfield who went on to become a journalist). Over 10 years ago Mick T discussed with Bob the possibilities of doing a book or a feature in The Observer. Bob G had one lengthy conversation with Mick on the condition everything they talked about would remain private. In January 2007 the Daily Mail published an awful article accompanied by a photograph (taken with a long lens) which showed Mick T walking back from the Post Office. Bob Graham passed on a message to Mick in which he condemned what the tabloid had done. Early 2009 Bob talked Mick's manager into letting him spend some time on the road with the band. Mick's German booking agent paid for the hotelrooms and expenses. The article for The Times that BG claimed he was working on was going to help raise the band's profile, he said. Bob sat down to talk with each of the musicians in the band. For some reason, Mick T didn't feel comfortable about the situation so he decided against giving an interview. BG subsequently stabbed Mick T in the back by selling his story to the Daily Mail - and the newspaper altered it to make it as sensational as possible. Mick T is now considering legal action because of the slanderous nature of the article. |
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Title: Re: Update on Mick Taylor and article Post by left shoe shuffle on Sep 13th, 2009 at 4:34pm So MT's quotes were made - off the record - more than ten years ago? |
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Title: Re: Update on Mick Taylor and article Post by Gazza on Sep 13th, 2009 at 5:30pm
..yep, and twisted to make it look like a sensationalist tell-all done in the last week or so.
Doesn't really alter the fact that he still seems to have been severely fucked over, but it's another in a long line of examples of the Daily Mail twisting a story for their own ends. |
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Title: Re: Update on Mick Taylor and article Post by left shoe shuffle on Sep 13th, 2009 at 6:04pm That explains why there's no mention of his recent health issue and the resulting loss of income... |
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Title: Re: Update on Mick Taylor and article Post by Ginda on Sep 13th, 2009 at 6:57pm
Maybe a reprint isn't such a bad idea - especially in terms of the recent health issues. It was a violation of MT's trust to have his off the record comments printed, but a far greater violation to be loopholed out of legitimate income.
The Daily Mail's rep can hardly be lower that what it is already and the author will be hard pressed to have anyone else confide in him. |
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Title: Re: Update on Mick Taylor and article Post by left shoe shuffle on Sep 13th, 2009 at 7:13pm Or better yet, a full mea culpa from the author - and ex-friend. |
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Title: Mick Taylor Post by Billy on Sep 14th, 2009 at 1:58pm
apologies if already posted...............
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-1213013/The-Rolling-Stone-whos-stony-broke-Why-Mick-Taylor-lives-rundown-Suffolk-semi-shabby-car.html |
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Title: Mick Taylor threatens to sue over unpaid royalties Post by Ronnie Richards on Sep 15th, 2009 at 5:29am
Ex-Rolling Stone Mick Taylor threatens to sue over unpaid royalties
Guitarist breaks his silence 35 years after leaving the band Former Rolling Stones guitarist Mick Taylor says he is considering suing the band for unpaid royalties. Taylor played in The Rolling Stones between 1969 and 1974, and was replaced by Ronnie Wood in 1975. Speaking to the Daily Mail, the guitarist revealed that he hasn't been paid any royalties since 1982, when the band signed a new record deal with CBS Records. He added that he now regrets not instructing a lawyer to seek continued payments for his playing on albums including 'Sticky Fingers' and 'Exile On Main Street'. "I should have got a lawyer," Taylor said. "But instead I called them rude words and asked how they could just stop paying me." He added that he is still keen to address the issue now. "They all know it's not right. In fact it is outrageous. They get all the money and I get the plaudits and praise, even from Mick [Jagger]," he said. "I've tried to talk to Mick a couple of times, but I realise that hiring a lawyer is probably the only way they'll take me seriously. But they figure I'm not going to do anything about it." Taylor added he now plans to formally contact The Rolling Stones about the unpaid royalties: "I'm going to do something about it because it’s morally wrong to cut my royalties for those six albums." Elsewhere in the interview, Taylor stated that without his contribution to the band, songs including 'Sway' and 'Moonlight Mile' wouldn't have existed. "Let's put it this way – without my contribution those songs would not have existed. There's not many but enough, things like 'Sway' and 'Moonlight Mile' on 'Sticky Fingers' and a couple of others," he said. |
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Title: Re: Mick Taylor threatens to sue over unpaid royal Post by Ronnie Richards on Sep 15th, 2009 at 5:30am |
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Title: Re: Mick Taylor threatens to sue over unpaid royal Post by Ronnie Richards on Sep 15th, 2009 at 5:32am
"I should have got a lawyer," Taylor said. "But instead I called them rude words and asked how they could just stop paying me."
So it's taken him nearly 30 to realize this was not, perhaps, a sound strategy.. |
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Title: Re: Update on Mick Taylor and article Post by Gazza on Sep 15th, 2009 at 6:21am
"Guitarist breaks his silence 35 years after leaving the band "
Howe ironic, considering a) it's not like hes never done an interview in all that time and b) he didnt actually talk to the Daily Mail anyway, but - as seen above - they chose to run a 10 year old off the record conversation he had with someone else and spun it to look like it was a recent exclusive interview. |
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Title: Re: Update on Mick Taylor and article Post by LanternHigh on Sep 15th, 2009 at 8:29am Gazza wrote on Sep 15th, 2009 at 6:21am:
wait, at this point, I miss the real point.. after all this time which is his purpose? What for? To get what? |
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Title: Re: Update on Mick Taylor and article Post by Gazza on Sep 15th, 2009 at 10:11am
There is no 'point', Lina - because there was no 'interview'.
Apparently it came from a private conversation he had with this journalist over ten years ago. |
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Title: Re: Update on Mick Taylor and article Post by LanternHigh on Sep 15th, 2009 at 10:15am Gazza wrote on Sep 15th, 2009 at 10:11am:
Thanks Gazza I think how is ' weird' that the (private conversations) always come out, in a way or another. And nobody knows why. lol Grazie |
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Title: Re: Update on Mick Taylor and article Post by Gazza on Sep 15th, 2009 at 10:57am LanternHigh wrote on Sep 15th, 2009 at 10:15am:
simple answer - $$$$$. that, plus you can't really expect a journalist (in most cases) to have any scruples. |
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Title: Re: Update on Mick Taylor and article Post by LanternHigh on Sep 15th, 2009 at 11:02am Gazza wrote on Sep 15th, 2009 at 10:57am:
Alright, very clear. No one have no expectations from them. Just £££££££ Give me a billion,just to say.. also less, and I'll kiss your arse as well |
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Title: Re: Mick Taylor threatens to sue over unpaid royal Post by moy on Sep 15th, 2009 at 2:33pm Ronnie Richards wrote on Sep 15th, 2009 at 5:30am:
Thanks! copy and paste just in case :wow Mick Taylor denies he is to sue Rolling StonesGuitarist's management tell NME.COM newspaper reports are incorrect September 15, 2009 Manager Jeff Allen said Taylor had been "horrified" to read the article in Sunday's (September 13) Daily Mail, adding that Taylor – who played for The Rolling Stones between 1969 and 1974 – "doesn't feel any need to sue" the band, whom he still remains close to. "He [Mick Taylor] certainly didn't say that he was going to sue the Stones. Mick's got a very good relationship with the Stones," Allen explained. He added: "In fact, the last time we met up with them, him and Keith [Richards, guitarist] were like long-lost lovers – hugging each other and happy to see each other. When Mick was ill either six or eight weeks ago with some kind of chest complaint, Mick Jagger had his office phone up to see what was going on, and then he phoned up the hospital just to check on Mick because they were worried about him. So there's absolutely no animosity between Mick and the Stones." Allen went on to strongly deny other aspects of the Daily Mail's article. "You can imagine the shock, horror and disbelief when that article came out in the Daily Mail. The emphasis of the article was that Mick was some kind of run-down, down-and-out tramp living in Suffolk. The reality is Mick's having the house done up," he said. "Mick is living in Holland at the moment with his girlfriend." He went on to confirm that Taylor's forthcoming tour dates in Germany and France are still set to go ahead as planned, and urged fans to check Micktaylor.net for more information. |
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Title: Re: Update on Mick Taylor and article Post by tumbledsomebody on Sep 15th, 2009 at 2:48pm
He should sue Daily Mail and NME. They are out of line (literally and figuratively)
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Title: Re: Update on Mick Taylor and article Post by sweetcharmedlife on Sep 15th, 2009 at 3:50pm Tumbled wrote on Sep 15th, 2009 at 2:48pm:
It might be easier to get money out of them than Mick or Keith. :whydontcha |
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Title: Re: Update on Mick Taylor and article Post by captainglassback on Sep 15th, 2009 at 4:57pm
.....and the next 2 money spinning projects..... Ya Yas and Exiles both have significant input from MT! If he ain't getting royalties then I shall download without paying. And I continue for 5 years now to constantly have Brussels Affair in my car CD player. The truly incredible Track 2 Gimme Shelter might rely on KR's songwriting but MT's guitar work was staggering as in fairness was KR's too. Without MT and Beefheart's Cooder input just maybe Keef might not have pulled em through that tough period of change. They need to help MT despite what he might of done or said. If MJ wants to use his economics experience he should grant MT an annuity cos it won't pay out much if MT keeps puffin them fags. MT's only crime was to wreck the Stones permanently by allowing RW in.
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Title: Re: Update on Mick Taylor and article Post by Gazza on Sep 15th, 2009 at 5:15pm Tumbled wrote on Sep 15th, 2009 at 2:48pm:
What have the NME done that's 'wrong', exactly? |
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Title: Re: Update on Mick Taylor and article Post by Honky Tonk Man on Sep 15th, 2009 at 5:19pm Gazza wrote on Sep 15th, 2009 at 5:15pm:
I doubt the current crop of journos at the NME even know who Mick Taylor is! |
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Title: Re: Update on Mick Taylor and article Post by Gazza on Sep 15th, 2009 at 5:24pm Ginda wrote on Sep 13th, 2009 at 6:57pm:
Unfortunately, the Mail have a bit of a track record for this nonsense. A particularly vile one was in July 2001 when they 'exclusively' quoted George Martin as saying that 'George Harrison realises he's going to die', at a time when the severity of Harrison's condition wasn't public knowledge - using a headline that seemed like an enormous betrayal of confidence on Martin's part. In reality, Martin had done a lengthy interview, which barely touched on Harrison's health and he had answered a question on the ex-Beatle's health by saying he was doing quite well, but is philosophical, adding something like 'he realises he's going to die sometime at some point like we all will', without even having hinted that George was dangerously ill. They cherrypicked about 20 words out of an interview which contained about 600 words and pasted it together to make it look like Martin was publicly announcing that Harrison was on his death bed. Loathsome bastards. |
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Title: Re: Update on Mick Taylor and article Post by fuman on Sep 15th, 2009 at 6:22pm captainglassback wrote on Sep 15th, 2009 at 4:57pm:
Well said, And I would add, Ron joining the Stones ruined The Faces as well. |
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Title: Re: Update on Mick Taylor and article Post by stonedinaustralia on Sep 15th, 2009 at 6:31pm Honky Tonk Man wrote on Sep 15th, 2009 at 5:19pm:
funny!! |
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Title: Re: Update on Mick Taylor and article Post by tumbledsomebody on Sep 15th, 2009 at 9:08pm
Gazza:
1. printed pictures of his home without his permission 2. printed blatant lies about his financial position and his desire to obrtain money from a former employer which may have been under contract not to state 3. defamed him by putting words in his mouth about needing money that were not permitted to be quoted giving him an image of neediness that will hurt his career |
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Title: Re: Update on Mick Taylor and article Post by Voodoo Chile In Wonderland on Sep 16th, 2009 at 8:39am
Guitarist Mick Taylor still a fan of the Rolling StonesTaylor's manager has denied reports that the musician was planning to sue his former bandmates for unpaid royalties, claiming he has a very good relationship with the Stones
Sean Michaels guardian.co.uk, Wednesday 16 September 2009 13.52 BST http://www.guardian.co.uk/music/2009/sep/16/mick-taylor-the-rolling-stones Mick Taylor (second from left) in the Rolling Stones. Photograph: Bettmann/Corbis Mick Taylor is rich, happy and loves the Rolling Stones. The manager for the Stones' former guitarist has denied reports Taylor is down on his luck and wants to sue his old band, insisting they have "a very good relationship". According to manager Jeff Allen, Taylor felt "shock, horror and disbelief" reading a recent article in the Mail on Sunday. The piece depicted Taylor as full of regrets and vitriol, living in a "ramshackle cottage" in Suffolk. Despite playing on albums such as Sticky Fingers and Exile on Main St, Taylor had allegedly been denied royalties since 1982. "Hiring a lawyer is probably the only way they'll take me seriously," he was quoted as saying. But that's simply not true, Allen told the NME yesterday. "He certainly didn't say that he was going to sue the Stones," Allen said. "He doesn't feel any need to sue ... Mick's got a very good relationship with the Stones." "In fact, the last time we met up with them, him and Keith [Richards] were like long-lost lovers – hugging each other and happy to see each other. When Mick was ill either six or eight weeks ago with some kind of chest complaint, Mick Jagger had his office phone up to see what was going on, and then he phoned up the hospital just to check on Mick because they were worried about him. So there's absolutely no animosity between Mick and the Stones." Not only are Taylor and his former bandmates best buddies, Taylor is living the life you would expect of the man who plays the guitar solo on Can't You Hear Me Knocking. "Mick is living in Holland at the moment with his girlfriend," Allen said. Rather than being "some kind of run-down, down-and-out tramp ... Mick's having the house done up." The Mick Taylor Band will tour Germany and France in October |
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Title: Re: Update on Mick Taylor and article Post by Gazza on Sep 16th, 2009 at 10:55am
That certainly makes more pleasant reading.
What with the 'Charlie quits' nonsense and now this, it seems its the silly season for severely distorted Stones stories. |
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Title: Re: Update on Mick Taylor and article Post by Gazza on Sep 16th, 2009 at 10:59am Tumbled wrote on Sep 15th, 2009 at 9:08pm:
I think you'll find that it was the Daily Mail ('Mail on Sunday' to be precise) who did all of the above. No one else did. Other news agencies and websites merely rehashed or reprinted the story as it was in the public domain, assuming (quite reasonably) it was genuine. This site was one of them. 'The Guardian' also did this and have now clarified things today in the story that Voodoo has posted above. The NME is a music site, not a celeb gossip page. I somehow doubt they'd be too interested in what Mick Taylor's house looks like. Hope he sues the Daily Mail re: points 2 & 3, although 'printing pictures of his home without permission' isn't illegal. |
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Title: Re: Update on Mick Taylor and article Post by sweetcharmedlife on Sep 16th, 2009 at 11:16am Gazza wrote on Sep 16th, 2009 at 10:55am:
Are we sure the guy who wrote this article wasn't Australian? :wtf3 |
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Title: Re: Update on Mick Taylor and article Post by LanternHigh on Sep 16th, 2009 at 11:30am Gazza wrote on Sep 16th, 2009 at 10:59am:
If I were him I'll sue the Daily Mail. Hoping he will do. Strange stories have come out this summer. And think I have enough of (mine) in my own life. Anyway if he got Royalties .. why not ? |
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Title: Re: Update on Mick Taylor and article Post by Heart Of Stone on Sep 16th, 2009 at 12:54pm
The daily mail is exactly like the news of the world circa '67, (The Stones bust) reporters will do anything to get dirt to print, even making up stories.
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Title: Re: Update on Mick Taylor and article Post by Gazza on Sep 16th, 2009 at 1:25pm Heart Of Stone wrote on Sep 16th, 2009 at 12:54pm:
In fairness, pretty much every UK tabloid is like that and has been for decades. The Mail tends to be just less concerned with tits and bums than some of the other less 'respectable' celeb-obsessed rags like the Screws of the World, The Sun, The Star etc - but they still have their own 'agenda'. Its not quite as simple as 'making up stories' because that would make it too easy to sue. In this case, they cleverly adapted a quote that Mick T apparently made off the record to a journalist many years ago and dressed it up to make it look like it was something new. In some bizarre way, there's an art to this sort of journalism. |
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Title: Re: Update on Mick Taylor and article Post by Honky Tonk Man on Sep 16th, 2009 at 1:48pm
In all fairness, The Daily Mail is the only quality and slightly highbrow tabloid newspaper. Personally, I would be embarrassed to be seen with a Sun or a New of the World, these days. I could get away with it at eighteen, but now I would look illiterate.
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Title: Re: Update on Mick Taylor and article Post by sweetcharmedlife on Sep 16th, 2009 at 2:20pm
Aren't their other,younger stars the British tabs can follow around and make shit up about. What's Amy Winehouse up to these days. :pullanolte
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Title: Re: Update on Mick Taylor and article Post by Gazza on Sep 16th, 2009 at 2:25pm Honky Tonk Man wrote on Sep 16th, 2009 at 1:48pm:
If you're going to judge a reader by the reputation of the newspaper they're carrying, its a case of whether you prefer looking like you're illiterate to looking like you're a Nazi!! |
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Title: Re: Update on Mick Taylor and article Post by Gazza on Sep 16th, 2009 at 2:33pm sweetcharmedlife wrote on Sep 16th, 2009 at 2:20pm:
There's plenty of them. Amy is one, but I can assure you that the vast majority of muck-raking is indeed concerned with talentless publicity-obsessed media whores under 35 such as Jade Goody and her dysfunctional family, Kerry Katona and the ongoing tedium involved in the divorce 'saga' of Peter Andre and the 'frankentitted' ex-model Jordan - a loathsome excuse for a human being who, in her latest desperate attempt to gain public sympathy from the remaining 17 people in the country who aren't sick reading about her, today claims that she was once 'raped' by a well known celebrity. My guess is that it was Stevie Wonder or our former Home Secretary, David Blunkett. |
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Title: Re: Update on Mick Taylor and article Post by Ade on Sep 16th, 2009 at 2:33pm
i get the Currant Bun (for the thrupenny's :willya) and Her Maj's Daily Telegraph, what does that make me?... :wtf3
ok..don't answer that :Youmakeagrownmancrylikejoey |
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Title: Re: Update on Mick Taylor and article Post by Gazza on Sep 16th, 2009 at 2:35pm Ade wrote on Sep 16th, 2009 at 2:33pm:
An educated lad who also likes big tits. I think thats a fair enough assessment. Usually get the 'Express', meself. The wife buys the 'Mail' and then ties me up and beats me when I get home. |
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Title: Re: Update on Mick Taylor and article Post by PartyDoll MEG on Sep 16th, 2009 at 2:45pm Ade wrote on Sep 16th, 2009 at 2:33pm:
a very "knowlegable" British gent who can gossip with the best??...... |
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Title: Re: Update on Mick Taylor and article Post by PartyDoll MEG on Sep 16th, 2009 at 2:48pm Gazza wrote on Sep 16th, 2009 at 2:35pm:
I think I've seen those rags, Gazza, on the underground. Yes there seems to be a love of the breastages in the UK... |
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Title: Re: Update on Mick Taylor and article Post by Ade on Sep 16th, 2009 at 2:57pm
yeah...we've got a big tit in Number 10 :Youmakeagrownmancrylikejoey
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Title: Re: Update on Mick Taylor and article Post by Honky Tonk Man on Sep 16th, 2009 at 3:01pm
The Sun, News of the World, The Star and The Sport are the papers you require if you like breasts. If you like men, then there is the Daily Mirror.
I used to buy the Star when I was a 13-year-old on the way to school. The shopkeeper used to browse through it just to make certain there was no images to tarnish my young mind. |
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Title: Re: Update on Mick Taylor and article Post by Ade on Sep 16th, 2009 at 3:03pm Honky Tonk Man wrote on Sep 16th, 2009 at 3:01pm:
lol - but your mind is tarnished, isn't it? :areyoufuckingserious |
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Title: Re: Update on Mick Taylor and article Post by Honky Tonk Man on Sep 16th, 2009 at 3:05pm Ade wrote on Sep 16th, 2009 at 3:03pm:
It is now! He let me purchase it every time! |
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Title: Re: Update on Mick Taylor and article Post by Ade on Sep 16th, 2009 at 3:09pm
sure it wasn't 'Asian Babes' hidden inside a copy of The Beano? :kissmyass :wtf3
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Title: Re: Update on Mick Taylor and article Post by Honky Tonk Man on Sep 16th, 2009 at 3:16pm Ade wrote on Sep 16th, 2009 at 3:09pm:
LOL, no! Though I did read the Beano for many years. Do today’s kids still buy such things? I dread to think how politically correct it is now. |
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Title: Re: Update on Mick Taylor and article Post by Ade on Sep 16th, 2009 at 3:21pm
no idea, but i'd bet my mortgage they don't let Dennis kick the crap out of Walter every week, like he used to. :forfucksake
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Title: Re: Update on Mick Taylor and article Post by Honky Tonk Man on Sep 16th, 2009 at 3:44pm Ade wrote on Sep 16th, 2009 at 3:21pm:
Bet they don't let this happen, either! - then again, they'd stopped the slipper punishment by the time I started reading it in the early 90's http://bp2.blogger.com/_mI0g_G6tjy8/SBEf9iFhTOI/AAAAAAAAAGk/jCgCKH_FfG8/s400/DENNIS+SLIPPER |
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Title: Re: Update on Mick Taylor and article Post by GhostofBrianJones on Sep 16th, 2009 at 9:04pm Gazza wrote on Sep 12th, 2009 at 7:57pm:
I completely agree with you Gazza, there is no acceptable reason for the Stones not to help MT out-and the same with Bill! It is just plain selfish, rude and ignorant to ignore a former bandmate who contributed so much while he was with them. It would not hurt them to give MT several million pounds, at least enough to live like he should. |
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