:whydontcha

http://undercover.com.au/News-Story.aspx?id=9154_EXCLUSIVE:_Charlie_Watts_Quits_The_Rolling_Stones

EXCLUSIVE: Charlie Watts Quits The Rolling Stones
by Paul Cashmere - September 2 2009
photo by Ros O'Gorman


Undercover has learned that Charlie Watts has quit The Rolling Stones.


A source within the Stones inner-circle says, “Charlie Watts has quit the band. He will never record or tour with the band again”.

The news does not come as a surprise. It was common knowledge that Keith Richards had to talk Charlie into contributing to the A Bigger Bang tour but this time it seems there is no calling Charlie back to active duty.

“The Stones are looking to Keith's Expensive Winos drummer Charlie Drayton to fill the void in all future Stones' callings,” our source says.

With Mick Jagger planning more Stones activity next year, the departure of Charlie will be a huge blow to the band. Charlie was the backbone of the band.

The 68-year old drummer simply doesn't want to do it anymore.

Charlie joined the Rolling Stones in January, 1963. He didn’t expect it would last. In fact, he kept his day job for several months until the band started to feel like a career.

Charlie’s decision to quit the band comes a three years short of the Stones 50th anniversary.

The Stones A Bigger Bang tour ran from August 2005 to August 2007. It was the highest tour of all-time.

Who's the "official" source?  Won't believe it till I hear Charlie or a member of the band say it...

not until we get official confirmation, he hasn't  :wtf3

hardly suprising,though,  if indeed, this is confirmed.

im waiting to hear back from the reporter re how solid his source is

will post here if i get news

cheers mate

just got a one word reply re 'how solid is your source ' ...

that word ...

VERY

thanks..... maybe this IS IT   :Youmakeagrownmancrylikejoey

oh well- OPEN THE VAULTS!!!  :areyoufuckingserious

glad I said goodbye!

If true - very sad...
This means the end of the Stones, no?

Hasn't Keith repeatedly stated that there will be no Stones without him, Mick or Charlie?

no Charlie no Stones.....
the Winos drummer sounds like a plumber, I can't imagine a tour with him...

If the news is confirmed , this is the end my friends...

:Youmakeagrownmancrylikejoey

What!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!I'll wait till the band confirms it, I don't believe in replacements for Charlie! that's like replacing Mick or Keith.

"The Stones A Bigger Bang tour ran from August 2005 to August 2007. It was the highest tour of all-time."

Actually I think there were "higher" tours in the past... (STP 1972 comes to mind..)

I dont blame Charlie. After all, even HE wants to have Brussels Affair as a official release now.

And Ladies & Gentlemen

At this point just give me some solid news.
I'm sick and tired of all the speculation.
If it's over, I want to know.

That said:

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

:Youmakeagrownmancrylikejoey  :forfucksake  :whydontcha

LJ.

WTF?  :wtf3 Does September always suck?!

I find it a little hard to believe though. I mean, if it was true, you'd think lots of sources would have jumped on it and writing stories. At least I hope it's not true.

And yes, at this point, much as it saddens me, if Charlie quits it's clearly the end of the Stones. Watts just can't be replaced. He's not Bill Wyman  :aimama

LadyJane wrote on Sep 2^nd, 2009 at 5:26am:

At this point just give me some solid news. I'm sick and tired of all the speculation. If it's over, I want to know. That said: NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :Youmakeagrownmancrylikejoey  :forfucksake  :whydontcha LJ.

Hang in there sister, it ain't over till it's over. And I just can't picture the Stones ending in such low-key fashion.
Remember, in a way Charlie ALWAYS quits the band at the end of each tour. I'm sure it'll take a little convincing. Can't blame him for being too tired of going around the world in circles all the time, but they've reached way too far to stop it like that now.

well if it's a fact it's hardly surprising

i never bought chuck as a rolling stone so charlie drayton can take a number (tho no denying he's a great drummer)

Wait one second here.

How credible is this "inside source" if he/she would make this statement:

“The Stones are looking to Keith's Expensive Winos drummer Charlie Drayton to fill the void in all future Stones' callings,” our source says."

There is no replacing Charlie. ANY credible source would know that.
I won't believe a word of this until I get more info.

LJ.

Which is your source?
Was knew about for Charlie was always been hard to get involved in tour and new recordings.
But is true . Sep always keep bad news.

No Charlie?
No Stones

LadyJane wrote on Sep 2^nd, 2009 at 5:39am:

There is no replacing Charlie. ANY credible source would know that. Don't believe a word of this.

That's what they always say, but who knows what they'll decide if Charlie really does quit. Until now, they've always moved on, no matter what happened. If Mick & Keith still want to work together, they'll probably continue to tour as The Stones, with or without Charlie. Just my 2 cents, of course.

as of now (3 hours+) after initial story 'broke',
no other news organization has picked up this story.

not BBC, NME etc....this is smelling more by the hour.

any truth in the rumour that Kat is learning the drums?  :Youmakeagrownmancrylikejoey

LadyJane wrote on Sep 2^nd, 2009 at 5:26am:

At this point just give me some solid news. I'm sick and tired of all the speculation. If it's over, I want to know. That said: NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :Youmakeagrownmancrylikejoey  :forfucksake  :whydontcha LJ.

Agree 100%. No doubt there'll now be several weeks of torture with no firm official info from the Stones organisation.

Dont be expecting a confirmation or denial any time soon from rs.com - they'll be too busy preparing for their upcoming 'Celebrate Labor Day with the Stones' merchandise firesale. Those fuckers will only tell you about it if it's going to be on a t-shirt.

Still not a whisper about this on any other news source yet. Will have to do some fishing around later and see if there's any more to it.

Have to say I'd be surprised - especially as Charlie told a fan only last month they'd probably be touring next year. If he was quitting, he could have diplomatically just said 'I don't know yet' or something.

I wouldnt dismiss the Charley Drayton story so easily if Charlie did quit. He'd be the obvious choice in theory - not as a replacement member of course, but to fill in as Darryl Jones did when Bill left. And whilst Keith did say many times over the years there'd be no Stones without Charlie, he did go back on that about four years ago and suggest that as long as he and Mick were there, they could actually continue.

But the very thought of the Stones continuing with BOTH members of that rhythm section retiring? Count me out. If one of the current band members bows out now, it's time to acknowledge that its been a great innings and it's time to call it a career. It would simply be a bad joke otherwise. No Charlie, no Stones.

I still have serious doubts about this, though. Hope I'm right!

Gazza wrote on Sep 2^nd, 2009 at 6:19am:

...especially as Charlie told a fan only last month they'd probably be touring next year. If he was quitting, he could have diplomatically just said 'I don't know yet' or something.

I was just about to post that too. A lot can happen in one month, but I don't think there's that much that can make one change his mind from "we're touring next year" to "I'm quitting".

As mentioned on IORR,  Charlie's got a gig tonight in England, we should send our UK-based RO reporters to investigate pronto  ;)

No Charlie..  No Stones

Not sure I buy this story yet though, either.  

Let the day unfold..

At least we have something to talk about around here

Seems like odd timing given a big anniversay right around the corner.
:wtf3

Then again, we don't know his health situation.
:Youmakeagrownmancrylikejoey

And no Charlie = no Stones.
I ain't about to slap down $1000 to see Michael P. and the Drunken Axes.
:areyoufuckingserious

FotiniD wrote on Sep 2^nd, 2009 at 6:25am:

[ I was just about to post that too. A lot can happen in one month, but I don't think there's that much that can make one change his mind from "we're touring next year" to "I'm quitting". As mentioned on IORR,  Charlie's got a gig tonight in England, we should send our UK-based RO reporters to investigate pronto  ;)

three shows this week, I believe

Milton Keynes tonight, Crawley tomorrow and Southampton on Friday.

Over to you, guys!

Let 's get prepared to see Charlie 's picture deleted from the next "Rarities"cover rendition on next year  :whydontcha :whydontcha

If this story breaks in a big way,Charlie's shows over the next few days could end up being a lot less low key than he had imagined or hoped. In a way that might be a good thing as the presence of a few journalists might make him or the Stones feel obliged to make some kind of statement confirming or denying this.

Australia?  Now if the London papers or even New York had printed this it would seem more valid.  Especially since we know Charlie is in England right now.  

Several thoughts are going through my head right now:

First of all, I just don't believe this story. Gut feeling.

Secondly, if it's over...well...it's over. At this point I feel in my heart that chances are getting slimmer and slimmer that we will ever see another Tour. As I get older, I'm coming to understand that loss is a big part of life and you either deal with it or you lose your mind. Time is not on our sides.

And lastly, WHY can I see Jagger/Cohl floating this stuff just to set us all up to buy those pricey tickets OUT OF RELIEF and JOY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!???????????????

Reality will hit me in approx 30 minutes and I'll be a blubbering idiot at my desk.

LJ.

im waiting for another reply from the reporter re his 'source'

hopefully its crap, but he did tell me his source is SOLID.

late here in Australia.. hope i wake up and its all a 'dodgy rumour'
:Youmakeagrownmancrylikejoey

BS

Well if this is true, Keith will be firing up his fax machine if he hasn't already.

But I don't think Mick and Keith would be planning any Stones stuff at all if Charlie wasn't on board. They're not going to tour the Stones without Charlie, at least I don't think they would.

I hate to say it but I believe the story.  Given Charlie's health and the length of time a tour takes him away from other (less stressful) pursuits he enjoys.  Even if Charlie would change his mind there is still the Ronnie Wood problem.  He needs the money after Jo rightfully socked it to him with heavy divorce demands, but he his far from road ready.  

We'll have to wait...as usual... If true I can't see the band touring at all anymore. Charlie, Mick and Keith are irreplaceable. Been waiting over 40 years for the inevitable end hopefully delayed again.

Deathgod wrote on Sep 2^nd, 2009 at 7:14am:

im waiting for another reply from the reporter re his 'source' hopefully its crap, but he did tell me his source is SOLID.

If he tells you his 'source' mate, he'll never get another scoop from him.

Several IORR members will attend Charlie's show tonight....so We'll be fixed tomorrow . :forfucksake

AngieBlue wrote on Sep 2^nd, 2009 at 6:59am:

Australia?  Now if the London papers or even New York had printed this it would seem more valid.  Especially since we know Charlie is in England right now.

Not necessarily the case. Charlie didnt leak the story - someone else did. So his current location isnt important.

Plus, its working hours in Australia while the US and Europe are still asleep - plus that site has broken a few exclusives in the past. If its a 'breaking' story, no reason why they shouldnt get it first. Its not like Australia is a third world country.

FotiniD wrote on Sep 2^nd, 2009 at 6:25am:

Gazza wrote on Sep 2nd, 2009 at 6:19am: ...especially as Charlie told a fan only last month they'd probably be touring next year. If he was quitting, he could have diplomatically just said 'I don't know yet' or something. I was just about to post that too. A lot can happen in one month, but I don't think there's that much that can make one change his mind from "we're touring next year" to "I'm quitting". As mentioned on IORR,  Charlie's got a gig tonight in England, we should send our UK-based RO reporters to investigate pronto  ;)

I don't think you'll get much out of Charlie. Other than a polite "you never know". Or something like that. :whydontcha

LadyJane wrote on Sep 2^nd, 2009 at 5:39am:

“The Stones are looking to Keith's Expensive Winos drummer Charlie Drayton to fill the void in all future Stones' callings,” our source says." There is no replacing Charlie. ANY credible source would know that. I won't believe a word of this until I get more info. LJ.

Agree 100% if Charlie Quits is the end of the Stones or in the best case, as mentioned by Gazza, the drummer will be a substitute like Darryl Jones

Serious insiders LOL says that Mick Fleetwood is the guy as he recently returned to his blues roots and has the beat!

[smiley=2vrolijk_08.gif]

he also looks like Charlie!

This is GOOD news, the Stones are gonna tour once more! (and of course with Charlie)

:smilebrian :smilemick :wow

I thought it was over when:

* Keith and Mick were jailed for drugs in 67
* Keith was busted in Toronto
* Indian Girl was recorded
* The solo albums and sniping between Keith and Mick in late 80's
* Charlie last cancer scare
* Keith falls out of the tree

So hopefully I can add another line of false rumors or non events to my list........

Oh please SAY IT AIN"T SO! Charlie is the glue that holds the Stones together, without him it's just not going to be all right. This is some really bad news to wake up to.

We need confirmation, which we surely wont get, not yet, not ever. I think if Charlie really did say he doesnt want to tour anymore he would still record in the studio, and since he's playing tonight it proves he is still capable and willing to participate in live music so I dont believe the story. Nope, I refuse to believe it!  

Charlie "quits"?
Doubtful.  

Retirement, on the other hand, would be the far more graceful exit.
If it's so, that's how it'll be announced.

I'm with nanky - Michael P. & The Drunken Axes holds no appeal for me.

No Charlie = No Stones.

 

Ah crap!

nankerphelge wrote on Sep 2^nd, 2009 at 6:39am:

I ain't about to slap down $1000 to see Michael P. and the Drunken Axes.

:wtf1  :will-ya  :aimama

Gazza/Voodoo..might it be prudent to add a ???? to the title of the thread???
Until it's confirmed/refuted.

LJ.

" Undercover has learned that Charlie Watts has quit The Rolling Stones.


A source within the Stones inner-circle says, “Charlie Watts has quit the band. He will never record or tour with the band again”.

The news does not come as a surprise. It was common knowledge that Keith Richards had to talk Charlie into contributing to the A Bigger Bang tour but this time it seems there is no calling Charlie back to active duty.

“The Stones are looking to Keith's Expensive Winos drummer Charlie Drayton to fill the void in all future Stones' callings,” our source says.

With Mick Jagger planning more Stones activity next year, the departure of Charlie will be a huge blow to the band. Charlie was the backbone of the band.

The 68-year old drummer simply doesn't want to do it anymore.

Charlie joined the Rolling Stones in January, 1963. He didn’t expect it would last. In fact, he kept his day job for several months until the band started to feel like a career.

Charlie’s decision to quit the band comes a three years short of the Stones 50th anniversary.

The Stones A Bigger Bang tour ran from August 2005 to August 2007. It was the highest tour of all-time. "


RUBBISH !!!!!!


I spoke with Keith Moon Friday Evening and he did not say a THING about Charlie Watts quitting the band .


So THERE !!!!!




I remain ...... forever ..... your Joey


The Joey , Est. 1999

PartyDoll MEG wrote on Sep 2^nd, 2009 at 6:35am:

No Charlie..  No Stones At least we have something to talk about around here

Yeah, be careful what you wish for. :will-ya :areyoufuckingserious

Joey wrote on Sep 2^nd, 2009 at 9:25am:

" Undercover has learned that Charlie Watts has quit The Rolling Stones. A source within the Stones inner-circle says, “Charlie Watts has quit the band. He will never record or tour with the band again”. The news does not come as a surprise. It was common knowledge that Keith Richards had to talk Charlie into contributing to the A Bigger Bang tour but this time it seems there is no calling Charlie back to active duty. “The Stones are looking to Keith's Expensive Winos drummer Charlie Drayton to fill the void in all future Stones' callings,” our source says.

Er..whilst its true he does play the drums occasionally, Charley Drayton was the Winos BASSIST primarily - Steve Jordan was usually the drummer.

Seems a bit odd that they'd go for Drayton instead of Jordan if this was true. Maybe its because they reckon they wouldnt have to change the first names of the band members....

Kinda adds to the smell of bullshit somewhat.

" Charlie Watts has quit The Rolling Stones.  "

http://www.abovethelaw.com/images/entries/crybaby%20crying%20kid%20cry%20tear%20tears%20Above%20the%20Law%20blog.jpg

LadyJane wrote on Sep 2^nd, 2009 at 9:22am:

nankerphelge wrote on Sep 2nd, 2009 at 6:39am: I ain't about to slap down $1000 to see Michael P. and the Drunken Axes. :wtf1  :will-ya  :aimama Gazza/Voodoo..might it be prudent to add a ???? to the title of the thread??? Until it's confirmed/refuted. LJ.

Done.

IF...Charlie does pack it in I think the band would rely on his input as to a replacement if they planned to carry on which I doubt highly. With the economy and no demand for another best of tour I think the end is nearer than we want to believe. Been a good ride folks. I know they always said they'd never do a "final" show but imagine a free show on TV broadcast round the world.."The Last Time"...with Charlie , Wyman and Taylor all back? Go out in style from MSG... Surely Ronnie could cover for Blondie!

Gazza wrote on Sep 2^nd, 2009 at 10:38am:

Er..whilst its true he does play the drums occasionally, Charley Drayton was the Winos BASSIST primarily - Steve Jordan was usually the drummer. Seems a bit odd that they'd go for Drayton instead of Jordan if this was true. Maybe its because they reckon they wouldnt have to change the first names of the band members.... Kinda adds to the smell of bullshit somewhat.

True. Charley Drayton and Steve Jordan swapped instruments for a coupla songs in The Winos.

Most recently Drayton has been the drummer for The Divinyls.

Jordan's played with The Stones before - he's on 'Dirty Work'.    

For what it's worth:

http://music-mix.ew.com/2009/09/02/charlie-watts-quits-rolling-stones/

Charlie Watts not quitting Rolling Stones, despite rumors
by Leah Greenblatt
Categories: News, Rolling Stones
Charlie Watts, the dapper silver-haired drummer for the Rolling Stones, was reported today by  Australia’s Undercover entertainment website to have left the band, just three years short of their 50th anniversary.

The band’s spokesperson, Fran Curtis, tells EW there is no truth to the rumors: “Contrary to a fabricated story that ran this morning,” she says, “Charlie Watts has not left The Rolling Stones.’’

The 68-year old Watts has been with the band since 1963; In 2004, he was diagnosed with throat cancer, which has since gone into remission.

Beat me to it LJ.  Had that ready to post just now.  WHEW!  

Hey at least we got a denial from a Stones spokesperson. Kind of quickly as well. Maybe all is well. :willya

Much ado about nothing...

LJ's faith in her band has been restored.

entertainment weekly says it's all a hoax!

http://music-mix.ew.com/2009/09/02/charlie-watts-quits-rolling-stones/

left shoe shuffle wrote on Sep 2^nd, 2009 at 11:02am:

Much ado about nothing... LJ's faith in her band has been restored.

charlie's my fuckin' drummer....

Starbuck wrote on Sep 2^nd, 2009 at 11:05am:

charlie's my fuckin' drummer....

Whither goest the ersatz Ringo??

left shoe shuffle wrote on Sep 2^nd, 2009 at 11:02am:

Much ado about nothing... LJ's faith in her band has been restored.

Well they aren't REALLY MINE, but ya know, it feels like it in my heart.

LJ.

LadyJane wrote on Sep 2^nd, 2009 at 11:08am:

left shoe shuffle wrote on Sep 2nd, 2009 at 11:02am: Much ado about nothing... LJ's faith in her band has been restored. Well they aren't REALLY MINE, but ya know, it feels like it in my heart. LJ.

Oh yeah they're yours...

left shoe shuffle wrote on Sep 2^nd, 2009 at 11:09am:

LadyJane wrote on Sep 2nd, 2009 at 11:08am: left shoe shuffle wrote on Sep 2nd, 2009 at 11:02am: Much ado about nothing... LJ's faith in her band has been restored. Well they aren't REALLY MINE, but ya know, it feels like it in my heart. LJ. Oh yeah they're yours...

Okay, I'll claim them!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
LJ.

Charlie is back in the band baby!! Beer me!! :weed :booze :weed

Biggest Bang on tonight...

YAY! What a relief!

Undercover has updated their site with a photo of Paul Cashmere "leaving" work for the day.

http://features.csmonitor.com/globalnews/wp-content/assets/33/650/article_photo1.jpg

Do not quit ever?

WoW!

My favorite drummer is back

LH :whydontcha :areyoufuckingserious :wtf3 :Youmakeagrownmancrylikejoey

left shoe shuffle wrote on Sep 2^nd, 2009 at 11:32am:

Undercover has updated their site with a photo of Paul Cashmere "leaving" work for the day. http://features.csmonitor.com/globalnews/wp-content/assets/33/650/article_photo1.jpg

I think we need to email/call this guy!!!


CEO, Executive Producer, News phone : Paul Cashmere (03) 90956890, [email protected]
--courtesy of Raining Blimps, Shidoobee investigator!!

LJ.

That does it. Never trust an Aussie journalist. :wtf3

Charlie is OUR Darling!  

Good work LJ!  

All is well. :areyoufuckingserious

xxxooo,
Martha

LadyJane wrote on Sep 2^nd, 2009 at 10:59am:

For what it's worth: http://music-mix.ew.com/2009/09/02/charlie-watts-quits-rolling-stones/ Charlie Watts not quitting Rolling Stones, despite rumors by Leah Greenblatt Categories: News, Rolling Stones Charlie Watts, the dapper silver-haired drummer for the Rolling Stones, was reported today by  Australia’s Undercover entertainment website to have left the band, just three years short of their 50th anniversary. The band’s spokesperson, Fran Curtis, tells EW there is no truth to the rumors: “Contrary to a fabricated story that ran this morning,” she says, “Charlie Watts has not left The Rolling Stones.’’

GET INNNNN!!!!


thank fuck for that - now we can all go back to sleep.

And hats off to Fran for being so fast to dismiss the story.
[smiley=thumbsup.gif]

LadyJane wrote on Sep 2^nd, 2009 at 11:44am:

I think we need to email/call this guy!!!

This guy says he's never heard of any Paul Cashmere and doesn't want to talk to anybody else who's looking for him...

http://www.textually.org/textually/archives/images/set2/lake_victoria_solar_payphone_01-1.jpg

Who of the two is Paul Cashmere?

http://i20.photobucket.com/albums/b237/open-g/Computer/IseeManySquirrelsinTheFuture.jpg

This is the man of the moment right here

http://www.qmusic.com.au/bigsound/images/Paul%20Cashmere.jpg

He does have a mug that you'd never get tired slapping.

A quick google search indicates that he's based in Melbourne.

Corgi - over to you, mate!

GITMO for you muthafucka

Hmm.
Looks like he nicked one of Woody's hairpieces on The Stones' last swing through Oz...

sweetcharmedlife wrote on Sep 2^nd, 2009 at 11:01am:

Hey at least we got a denial from a Stones spokesperson. Kind of quickly as well. Maybe all is well. :willya

Just to back that up some more - just got home from work and opened an e-mail sent this morning at about 11.30 UK time (just after this story broke) from a pretty reliable source who's very close to the band who assured me that this 'story' was false.

Another scare averted. I'll add this to my list of didnt happens page 3456.

Hmm, I kinda knew it was him  :forfucksake

http://i20.photobucket.com/albums/b237/open-g/Computer/CashmereNuts.jpg

Thank God

Gazza and mates
never seen a man more ugly of this one.
In the sense, of pure uglitity. back up to you
Unholy. Agree.

 [smiley=bath.gif]

he needs a bath.  :areyoufuckingserious

Gazza wrote on Sep 2^nd, 2009 at 12:15pm:

sweetcharmedlife wrote on Sep 2nd, 2009 at 11:01am: Hey at least we got a denial from a Stones spokesperson. Kind of quickly as well. Maybe all is well. :willya Just to back that up some more - just got home from work and opened an e-mail sent this morning at about 11.30 UK time (just after this story broke) from a pretty reliable source who's very close to the band who assured me that this 'story' was false.

Gazza, would you mind sharing a quote of the reliable source?

I know of one website where the nutty Cashmere squirrel gets more credit than Fran Curtis....and it's not iorr.

But it's alright now, open-g... http://smiley.onegreatguy.net/wink.gif

My head tells me that we should be thankful that The Stones have had such a great run and it's okay for it to be over.

My HEART, though, My HEART cannot let them go. I don't think it ever will.

:smilebrian   :smilestu  :boring  :wow  :areyoufuckingserious   :will-ya  :wtf1  :aimama

LJ.

open-g wrote on Sep 2^nd, 2009 at 12:36pm:

Gazza wrote on Sep 2nd, 2009 at 12:15pm: sweetcharmedlife wrote on Sep 2nd, 2009 at 11:01am: Hey at least we got a denial from a Stones spokesperson. Kind of quickly as well. Maybe all is well. :willya Just to back that up some more - just got home from work and opened an e-mail sent this morning at about 11.30 UK time (just after this story broke) from a pretty reliable source who's very close to the band who assured me that this 'story' was false. Gazza, would you mind sharing a quote of the reliable source? I know of one website where the nutty Cashmere squirrel gets more credit than Fran Curtis....and it's not iorr.

::)

"As far as I'm hearing this rumour is false" - e-mail sent at 11.06 GMT - six hours before the Stones press office confirmed it publicly (unfortunately I cant access my home e-mail from work otherwise I'd have posted it immediately). He contacted the Stones office first thing this morning when the news broke and they confirmed to him that it was false.

ROLLING STONES' CHARLIE WATTS HAS NOT QUIT: OFFICIAL!

http://www.uncut.co.uk/media/images/Stones_W.jpg

Band spokesman denies rumours of drummer's departure to Uncut




Rolling Stones drummer Charlie Watts has not quit the legendary rock'n'roll band, his spokesman has told Uncut.co.uk this afternoon (September 2).

Claims made earlier today on Australian website undercover.com.au that Charlie Watts had quit The Rolling Stones were posted online at 10am (GMT), quoting an unnamed source in the band’s inner circle who said the drummer “will never record or tour with the band again.”

The story was subsequently picked up by a number of online news services before a statement was released to Uncut.co.uk at 5pm (GMT) by the band’s UK spokesperson.

The statement reads: “Contrary to a fabricated story that ran this morning on a small music web site in Australia, drummer Charlie Watts has not left The Rolling Stones.”
Charlie Watts joined the band in 1963.

The rumour comes a few days after the news that the police are planning to re-examine the death of the Stones’ former guitarist Brian Jones, who drowned in 1969.


www.uncut.co.uk

Nothing like nasty rumours to bring us all together as one happy family...

And all together now on the count of three...

One long and happy collective sigh...... :booze :booze :willya

Well,now that, that is settled....What do we talk about while we wait for a tour. More Joey bowel movement updates. :Youmakeagrownmancrylikejoey

is there still a death penalty in Australia??

grt,
Albert
Holland

albert wrote on Sep 2^nd, 2009 at 1:21pm:

is there still a death penalty in Australia?? grt, Albert Holland

In the old days, criminals in the UK used to get deported to Australia.

Time to reverse the procedure,  I think.....

Stones to skip Australia in 2010.

the scottish let there prisoners fly back home............

wonder what the british would do with mr. Cashmere

can someone do some more photoshopping on his picture and make it a nice RO header??..........

' did jb really stroke - out over this false rumour ?  '


Yes Some Guy  ......


Our Baby Josh was admitted to hospital this morning feeling ' dizzy ' .


However , he was released after a few hours and is now out again so be warned .

JJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJACKY !

Funny,Charlie is the most searched person on Yahoo today. He even beat out Diane Sawyer. :warhorse

LadyJane wrote on Sep 2^nd, 2009 at 12:54pm:

:smilebrian   :smilestu  :boring  :wow  :areyoufuckingserious   :will-ya  :wtf1  :aimama LJ.

LOL that was "mixed emotions" jane!!

Joey wrote on Sep 2^nd, 2009 at 1:40pm:

' did jb really stroke - out over this false rumour ?  ' Yes Some Guy  ...... Our Baby Josh was admitted to hospital this morning feeling ' dizzy ' . However , he was released after a few hours and is now out again so be warned . JJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJACKY !

Joey, will you please email jb and let him know Charlie has not left the band.

Gazza wrote on Sep 2^nd, 2009 at 12:03pm:

This is the man of the moment right here http://www.qmusic.com.au/bigsound/images/Paul%20Cashmere.jpg He does have a mug that you'd never get tired slapping. A quick google search indicates that he's based in Melbourne. Corgi - over to you, mate!

The man is fucking brilliant! He must be a Stones fan! We got a quick, positive reaction from the Stones camp. I bet he posts here!

more hes not quitting story :

http://network.nationalpost.com/np/blogs/theampersand/archive/2009/09/02/charlie-watts-not-quitting-rolling-stones-plus-eight-things-you-didn-t-know-about-charlie-watts.aspx


http://www.musicradar.com/news/guitars/charlie-watts-not-quitting-rolling-stones-despite-rumors-218674


:Youmakeagrownmancrylikejoey

the Undercover reporter and his 'latest'

http://undercover.com.au/News-Story.aspx?id=9155_Stones_Deny_Charlie_Is_Leaving_The_Band

Stones Deny Charlie Is Leaving The Band

by Paul Cashmere - September 3 2009
photo by Ros O'Gorman

It looks like only time will tell until we really know if Charlie Watts has hung up his drumsticks in the Rolling Stones.

A source close to the band told Undercover that Charlie has decided not to return to the Rolling Stones and has no interest doing another tour or recording on the next album.

The source also named Charlie Drayton from Keith Richards` other band The Expensive Winos as being prepped for the vacated drum stool.

The loss of Charlie Watts would be a major blow to the Stones. His impeccable timing is the backbone of their sound.

Yesterday’s story has gone right to the centre of the Stones empire with an announcement from Stones spokesperson Fran Curtis calling it a ‘”fabricated story”. Not quite. The story did not come from an anonymous email or from someone unconnected to the band. It was a reliable source.

The next phase of the Rolling Stones is yet to be announced. There is nothing on the calendar so far for 2010. The next major benchmark for the band will be in 2013. January 2013 will mark the 50th anniversary of when Charlie joined the band.

Right now, we will take on board at face value the statement from Curtis saying “drummer Charlie Watts has not left The Rolling Stones” and look forward to hearing about what the Stones will do next.

Not every official announcement about an artist always turns out to be true. Not every reliable source always turns out to be right either.

Undercover does not make up stories. We write about what we hear.

Yeah, well I guess on this occasion, Paul, ya just heard wrong.

Wab.

I guess the only good thing to come out of this is that a Stones Spokesman ACTUALLY SAID SOMETHING  :wtf3

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S3FUA0Hj7fI


now i feel better

:areyoufuckingserious

Allright,just to play devil's advocate. Maybe Cahrlie hasn't officially left the band,because their are no Stones projects going on at this time. But when it comes time to record or tour,will Charlie be there? A nasty game of semantics if nothing else.

Whoa. What a roller coaster of emotions in the last few minutes!! I've been at work all day {day care--school aged kids} with no computer access all day....and I see on several sites that Charlie boy has quit the band. Shock! And sadness....:( Then, almost as quickly, the news that it's not true! Joy! And elation....:)

Whew. 8-)

call me skeptical, but i dont share the optimism of most as i read through the thread...

if the news was true, i can just imagine (knowing what i do from reading about his nature) how pissed mick would be. i also would think the first thing he would do would be to get out in front of this story... believe it or not, the job of a publicist is to spin the stories in his/her client's favor, or in the way that the client wishes (which is NOT the same thing as speaking the truth). i am not saying the stones' camp is lying, but i am saying that if charlie was done, i would expect the news cycle to take shape EXACTLY as it has been for the past twenty or so hours...

wasnt charlie drayton letterman's first drummer..?

Dunno, but he was Keith's BASSIST.

Aside from the occasional song when the rhythm section switched and Charley was on the skins, Steve Jordan was Keith's drummer (and co-writer)

Odd that the name being bandied about as a replacement would be Drayton instead of Jordan.

macdaddy wrote on Sep 2^nd, 2009 at 7:28pm:

call me skeptical, but i dont share the optimism of most as i read through the thread... if the news was true, i can just imagine (knowing what i do from reading about his nature) how pissed mick would be. i also would think the first thing he would do would be to get out in front of this story... believe it or not, the job of a publicist is to spin the stories in his/her client's favor, or in the way that the client wishes (which is NOT the same thing as speaking the truth). i am not saying the stones' camp is lying, but i am saying that if charlie was done, i would expect the news cycle to take shape EXACTLY as it has been for the past twenty or so hours... wasnt charlie drayton letterman's first drummer..?

Well this would back your skeptical thoughts. although I hope not.

about Fran Curtis:
She's probably best known, though, as the longtime publicist for the Rolling Stones—she's been spinning reporters on the subject of Mick Jagger and Keith Richards' affairs, arrests and drunken escapades for two decades. Most recently, when Richards felt out of a palm tree and suffered a concussion in 2006, Curtis went on record to deny rumors that Richard's injury would require a hole to be drilled in his skull. (About a week later, Richards had a hole drilled in his skull.)

http://cityfile.com/profiles/fran-curtis

For those of you who want to check out the latest Keith Richards playing on the Dirty Strangers, go over to myspace and check it out. Their page has the songs posted. Keith's guitar chops are as good as ever.

macdaddy wrote on Sep 2^nd, 2009 at 7:28pm:

wasnt charlie drayton letterman's first drummer..?

Steve Jordan was the original drummer in "The World's Most Dangerous Band".
Charley Drayton was their drummer for a spell in the 80's.

http://undercover.com.au/News-Story.aspx?id=9155_Stones_Deny_Charlie_Is_Leaving_The_Band


Stones Deny Charlie Is Leaving The Band

by Paul Cashmere - September 3 2009
photo by Ros O'Gorman

It looks like only time will tell until we really know if Charlie Watts has hung up his drumsticks in the Rolling Stones.

A source close to the band told Undercover that Charlie has decided not to return to the Rolling Stones and has no interest doing another tour or recording on the next album.

The source also named Charlie Drayton from Keith Richards` other band The Expensive Winos as being prepped for the vacated drum stool.

The loss of Charlie Watts would be a major blow to the Stones. His impeccable timing is the backbone of their sound.

Yesterday’s story has gone right to the centre of the Stones empire with an announcement from Stones spokesperson Fran Curtis calling it a ‘”fabricated story”. Not quite. The story did not come from an anonymous email or from someone unconnected to the band. It was a reliable source.

The next phase of the Rolling Stones is yet to be announced. There is nothing on the calendar so far for 2010. The next major benchmark for the band will be in 2013. January 2013 will mark the 50th anniversary of when Charlie joined the band.

Right now, we will take on board at face value the statement from Curtis saying “drummer Charlie Watts has not left The Rolling Stones” and look forward to hearing about what the Stones will do next.

Not every official announcement about an artist always turns out to be true. Not every reliable source always turns out to be right either.

Undercover does not make up stories. We write about what we hear Charlie has left the band.

Undercover is sticking by the absolute truth of the story until Charlie Watts himself denies it.

:whydontcha

Umm, maybe you wanna post that article one more time, Deathgod?

http://www.freedomsledder.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/backpedal.gif

Gazza wrote on Sep 2^nd, 2009 at 7:55pm:

Dunno, but he was Keith's BASSIST. Aside from the occasional song when the rhythm section switched and Charley was on the skins, Steve Jordan was Keith's drummer (and co-writer) Odd that the name being bandied about as a replacement would be Drayton instead of Jordan.

well, i knew that  ;)

my point was that he has been around the nyc scene for a long time, and he plays both instruments, and has been hired as a drummer at times. i brought up the dave/world's most dangerous band gig, 'cos i knew it was early on in the show's run, meaning he has ALSO been a professional drummer for decades (thx for the clarification about the tenures, lss)...

keef just got 'em both (awesome rhythm section, too).



open-g wrote on Sep 2^nd, 2009 at 8:35pm:

Well this would back your skeptical thoughts. although I hope not. about Fran Curtis: She's probably best known, though, as the longtime publicist for the Rolling Stones—she's been spinning reporters on the subject of Mick Jagger and Keith Richards' affairs, arrests and drunken escapades for two decades. Most recently, when Richards felt out of a palm tree and suffered a concussion in 2006, Curtis went on record to deny rumors that Richard's injury would require a hole to be drilled in his skull. (About a week later, Richards had a hole drilled in his skull.) http://cityfile.com/profiles/fran-curtis

yup.

methinks she doth protest too much.

left shoe shuffle wrote on Sep 2^nd, 2009 at 11:02pm:

Umm, maybe you wanna post that article one more time, Deathgod? http://www.freedomsledder.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/backpedal.gif

ermmm .. its an update

:Youmakeagrownmancrylikejoey :Youmakeagrownmancrylikejoey :Youmakeagrownmancrylikejoey

The Core Of THe Rolling Stones is Charlie Watts' Hi-Hat. :areyoufuckingserious
Glad this scare is over cause to me it's over when the drummer leaves.
The Who was, for me, over,  when Moon Died
Zepplin was over when Bonham died
And It will be over, when Charlie Leaves.

---

Charlie's not leaving. I'm not trusting Fran (what a name for a spokesperson, it always brings to mind the Nanny, like she's reading the press releases with that voice  :blankfriggingstare1) but I have all the faith in the world in Mr. Watts. He ain't a quitter.

macdaddy wrote on Sep 2^nd, 2009 at 11:05pm:

yup. methinks she doth protest too much.

yeah, but it's her job to.

She could also have said nothing - which would have fuelled the speculation even more.

Fran's based in New York, I believe.  The statement she released was issued at 5 pm UK time yesterday. The info I got from a source close to the band - which he had confirmed by the Stones office - came from London at 11 am yesterday, so it's not as if she was just acting independently by putting out some standard statement. The Stones office dealt with it pretty quickly (just one hour after it circulated) even if she didnt issue anything for 7 hours later.

Her main protest was that it was a fabricated story. Cashmere seems to take that personally as it suggests he made it up. Thats not necessarily what it's saying. It's saying that someone unknown made it up  - and he published it.

I think what Cashmere says in his update has some validity - I dont think he just made the story up for the hell of it. That site is normally pretty reputable as far as entertainment sites are concerned  - but whilst he's correct in saying that not every official announcement turns out to be true, he's also correct in saying that not every 'reliable source' always turns out to be right either. It works both ways.

Time will tell, but I'm with Fotini on this one. Charlie isn't a quitter. Unless it's for health reasons. The most telling quote I ever heard on him came a few years ago from the one person in the world who knows him better than anyone - Shirley. When she was asked about him possibly retiring, she told a journalist that Charlie will NEVER be the one to break up the band, because he couldnt bear to let Mick or Keith down.

Charlie himself told a Polish fan just 3 weeks ago that they'd 'probably' be touring next year. I'd take that at face value. I honsetly can't see him saying something like that if he had absolutely no intention of playing with the Stones again. He could just as easily have sidestepped the question of when there'd be another tour by saying  "I dont know" or "there's nothing planned".

" Not quite. The story did not come from an anonymous email or from someone unconnected to the band. It was a reliable source.

The next phase of the Rolling Stones is yet to be announced. There is nothing on the calendar so far for 2010. The next major benchmark for the band will be in 2013. January 2013 will mark the 50th anniversary of when Charlie joined the band.

Right now, we will take on board at face value the statement from Curtis saying “drummer Charlie Watts has not left The Rolling Stones” and look forward to hearing about what the Stones will do next.

Not every official announcement about an artist always turns out to be true. Not every reliable source always turns out to be right either.

Undercover does not make up stories. We write about what we hear.  "


http://www.abovethelaw.com/images/entries/crybaby%20crying%20kid%20cry%20tear%20tears%20Above%20the%20Law%20blog.jpg !!!!!!!

" Glad this scare is over cause to me it's over when the drummer leaves.
The Who was, for me, over,  when Moon Died
Zepplin was over when Bonham died
And It will be over, when Charlie Leaves "

BULLSHIT !!!!!


Zack Starkey is phenomenal and fits in PERFECTLY with The Who . BEST WHO YET !!!!!!

Jason Bonham again is perfect for Led Zepplin and is EXACTLY what Zepplin needs to overcome Plant's vocal deficiencies ( ....and people think Roger Daltrey can not hit the high notes these days !!! )

That said , I am not sure Keef could survive the loss of Charlie Watts from the group ( Thank GOD the rumors are not true  ...... or are they ?! )


Developing ..................................


Shiver ...........................



" Hit Me Ronnie ! "

O' to the 'kins ! ™
   

Kilroy wrote on Sep 3^rd, 2009 at 12:30am:

The Core Of THe Rolling Stones is Charlie Watts' Hi-Hat. :areyoufuckingserious Glad this scare is over cause to me it's over when the drummer leaves. The Who was, for me, over,  when Moon Died Zepplin was over when Bonham died And It will be over, when Charlie Leaves.

For me, its usually over when the drummer either sings or starts doing 15 minute solos.

The sentence every band dreads hearing is when the drummer pipes up "hey guys, why don't we try one of MY songs....?

None of the above has ever happened in the Stones and no other band has lasted this long.

Join the dots.

uh-oh

http://shidoobeewithstonesdoug.yuku.com/topic/21182/t/charlie-watts.html

Moonisup wrote on Sep 3^rd, 2009 at 12:18pm:

uh-oh http://shidoobeewithstonesdoug.yuku.com/topic/21182/t/charlie-watts.html

Those cats are ballsy!

well even Doug admits the poster is close...

I just don't know what to believe

Yet another close/reliable source  :forfucksake

Moonisup wrote on Sep 3^rd, 2009 at 12:18pm:

uh-oh http://shidoobeewithstonesdoug.yuku.com/topic/21182/t/charlie-watts.html

Well don't we have our own pretty good source in Gazza?....Every board claims they have the definitive word. All from anonymous sources. This isn't fucking watergate. Somebody start naming names or  :shutthefuckup

Apparently this poster is ALWAYS spot on.

If true, a big part of me has died.

My heart is broken. Totally broken.

LJ.

It ain't over until the fat lady sings, and from where I'm sitting she hasn't sung yet......
:areyoufuckingserious


If this turns out to be a pile of bollocks, then I demand for this thread to be renamed "WATTSgate"
:Youmakeagrownmancrylikejoey

LadyJane wrote on Sep 3^rd, 2009 at 12:49pm:

Apparently this poster is ALWAYS spot on. If true, a big part of me has died. My heart is broken. Totally broken. LJ.

QFT!  :forfucksake :'(

Just seen a interveiw with Charlie on BBC news South from Crawley where he is playing tonight. After the interveiw the woman said she asked Charlie about the rumours on the internet and he said NOT TRUE.

Stewed n Keefed wrote on Sep 3^rd, 2009 at 1:08pm:

Just seen a interveiw with Charlie on BBC news South from Crawley where he is playing tonight. After the interveiw the woman said she asked Charlie about the rumours on the internet and he said NOT TRUE.

Hip hip hooray  :areyoufuckingserious

Stewed n Keefed wrote on Sep 3^rd, 2009 at 1:08pm:

Just seen a interveiw with Charlie on BBC news South from Crawley where he is playing tonight. After the interveiw the woman said she asked Charlie about the rumours on the internet and he said NOT TRUE.

Thanks SNK....Let's hope this finally puts an end to these silly rumours. Anonymous sources be damned. :solongsucker

Stewed n Keefed wrote on Sep 3^rd, 2009 at 1:08pm:

Just seen a interveiw with Charlie on BBC news South from Crawley where he is playing tonight. After the interveiw the woman said she asked Charlie about the rumours on the internet and he said NOT TRUE.

That be a ray of hope.....


The internet is a good place for all kinds of misquotes, blatant lies, rumours, and down right stupidity and we continue to sit at our computers and take them all in and discuss them.  I think we have been doing this kind of thing for many years.. It's been the highs and the lows of the frickin Rolling Stones.  And we will continue to do so until we get it directly from the horse's mouth.....

sweetcharmedlife wrote on Sep 3^rd, 2009 at 1:29pm:

Stewed n Keefed wrote on Sep 3rd, 2009 at 1:08pm: Just seen a interveiw with Charlie on BBC news South from Crawley where he is playing tonight. After the interveiw the woman said she asked Charlie about the rumours on the internet and he said NOT TRUE. Thanks SNK....Let's hope this finally puts an end to these silly rumours. Anonymous sources be damned. :solongsucker

Formerly reliable source

http://static.seekingalpha.com/wp-content/seekingalpha/images/concreteencased.jpg

reliable sauce

http://intoxicologist.files.wordpress.com/2008/06/the-brown-liquors.jpg?w=300&h=193

" uh-oh  "



http://shidoobeewithstonesdoug.yuku.com/topic/21182/t/charlie-watts.html

" it is true..you know I don't post unless its true....but charlie has officially announced hes leaving the band...I will say this once
there are no plans for 2010 as of now.....  "


I have been shitting liquid non - stop since 8:13 AM CDT Yesterday .


I ( Joey ) have lost seventy - three pounds and am currently on IV Drips as I type this dear reader .



Oh , and me arse is now raw  .......... RAW !!!!!!!!!!!


" Hit Me Ronnie ! "



JACKY !

Whomever this poster is on Shidoobee, he/she must have GREAT cred with the regulars because it's a Farewell Charlie Forum now!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I'm not dissing them either because there are some great people there.

45 minutes until I hit the bottle.

LJ.

LadyJane wrote on Sep 3^rd, 2009 at 1:42pm:

Whomever this poster is on Shidoobee, he/she must have GREAT cred with the regulars because it's a Farewell Charlie Forum now!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I'm not dissing them either because there are some great people there. 45 minutes until I hit the bottle. LJ.

Looks like I picked the wrong week to quit sniffing glue.

LadyJane wrote on Sep 3^rd, 2009 at 1:42pm:

Whomever this poster is on Shidoobee, he/she must have GREAT cred with the regulars because it's a Farewell Charlie Forum now!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I'm not dissing them either because there are some great people there. 45 minutes until I hit the bottle. LJ.

But, but...what about the denial from Charlie posted above?  Hit the bottle anyway - either to drown sorrows or toast the man.  This may be a long day of back and forth.

Ginda wrote on Sep 3^rd, 2009 at 2:02pm:

LadyJane wrote on Sep 3rd, 2009 at 1:42pm: Whomever this poster is on Shidoobee, he/she must have GREAT cred with the regulars because it's a Farewell Charlie Forum now!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I'm not dissing them either because there are some great people there. 45 minutes until I hit the bottle. LJ. But, but...what about the denial from Charlie posted above?  Hit the bottle anyway - either to drown sorrows or toast the man.  This may be a long day of back and forth.

As I posted on SHIDOOBEE: *collapses and sobs uncontrollably* IT'S NOT FAIR!

LadyJane wrote on Sep 3^rd, 2009 at 1:42pm:

Whomever this poster is on Shidoobee, he/she must have GREAT cred with the regulars because it's a Farewell Charlie Forum now!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I'm not dissing them either because there are some great people there. 45 minutes until I hit the bottle. LJ.

Can someone stop those clowns from posting rubbish?

thanks SNK  :willya

i choose not to read Shidoobee. I've never managed to navigate my way around their awful website. :Youmakeagrownmancrylikejoey

Ade wrote on Sep 3^rd, 2009 at 2:15pm:

thanks SNK  :willya i choose not to read Shidoobee. I've never managed to navigate my way around their awful website. :Youmakeagrownmancrylikejoey

too late to get Wildwood tickets??

Some Guy wrote on Sep 3^rd, 2009 at 2:12pm:

LadyJane wrote on Sep 3rd, 2009 at 1:42pm: Whomever this poster is on Shidoobee, he/she must have GREAT cred with the regulars because it's a Farewell Charlie Forum now!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I'm not dissing them either because there are some great people there. 45 minutes until I hit the bottle. LJ. Can someone stop those clowns from posting rubbish?

What they do :pullanolte

No time to be dissing fellow Stones fans.
I happen to have some GOOD friends who are regulars on Shidoobee and who will be attending Wildwood.
RO and Shidoobee have always been very different but we co-exist harmoniously and share info.

LJ.

LadyJane wrote on Sep 3^rd, 2009 at 2:24pm:

I happen to have some GOOD friends who are regulars on Shidoobee and who will be attending Wildwood.

http://pix.motivatedphotos.com/2009/7/30/633845907336241665-excusememiss.jpg

Some Guy wrote on Sep 3^rd, 2009 at 2:21pm:

Ade wrote on Sep 3rd, 2009 at 2:15pm: thanks SNK  :willya i choose not to read Shidoobee. I've never managed to navigate my way around their awful website. :Youmakeagrownmancrylikejoey too late to get Wildwood tickets??

whats 'Wildwood' ??  :wtf3

" .... too late to get Wildwood tickets ??  "


http://64.66.153.22/portfolio/reportage-01/reportage-01-15.jpg !!!!!

Joey wrote on Sep 3^rd, 2009 at 2:27pm:

" .... too late to get Wildwood tickets ??  " http://64.66.153.22/portfolio/reportage-01/reportage-01-15.jpg !!!!!

http://img.timeinc.net/time/daily/2007/0710/br10qwood_1105.jpg

no hijacking on the charlie leaves the stones thread! :whatapostronnie

LJ, you may well remember me telling you on the phone a few weeks ago that a person that I know that is very solid as far as "scoops" goes told me that it was all up to Charlie. Chaz has let it be known for some time now that he is sick to death of touring, and has no desire to do so again. And while some of us may well say, "no Charlie, no Stones", I doubt that that is the way Mick would see it. Cohl certainly won't see it that way. I tend to think that we may get one more tour out Charlie and then he'll hang it up. Business wise that would make perfect sense too. They are about to release some of the vaults material (however sparingly) with the 40th Anniversary diskset of Ya-Ya's. Not to mention the latest record deal and the remasters. My bet is that they are finally seeing the end of the road themselves, and will most likely go out with one more massive tour as part of their long goodbye. That's just my thoughts, but I'd wager that the rumor concerning Charlie is more probably true than not.



Riffy

good post riffy, I think there's a lot of truth in it

Charlie's great!

" Charlie's great !!!! "

Frig Yeah !!!!! :

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S3FUA0Hj7fI

Riffhard wrote on Sep 3^rd, 2009 at 3:04pm:

LJ, you may well remember me telling you on the phone a few weeks ago that a person that I know that is very solid as far as "scoops" goes told me that it was all up to Charlie. Chaz has let it be known for some time now that he is sick to death of touring, and has no desire to do so again. And while some of us may well say, "no Charlie, no Stones", I doubt that that is the way Mick would see it. Cohl certainly won't see it that way. I tend to think that we may get one more tour out Charlie and then he'll hang it up. Business wise that would make perfect sense too. They are about to release some of the vaults material (however sparingly) with the 40th Anniversary diskset of Ya-Ya's. Not to mention the latest record deal and the remasters. My bet is that they are finally seeing the end of the road themselves, and will most likely go out with one more massive tour as part of their long goodbye. That's just my thoughts, but I'd wager that the rumor concerning Charlie is more probably true than not. Riffy

Well, thats covered all options, Riffy!

Stewed n Keefed wrote on Sep 3^rd, 2009 at 1:08pm:

Just seen a interveiw with Charlie on BBC news South from Crawley where he is playing tonight. After the interveiw the woman said she asked Charlie about the rumours on the internet and he said NOT TRUE.

Good and 'reliable' enough 'source' for me.

PartyDoll MEG wrote on Sep 3^rd, 2009 at 1:33pm:

Stewed n Keefed wrote on Sep 3rd, 2009 at 1:08pm: Just seen a interveiw with Charlie on BBC news South from Crawley where he is playing tonight. After the interveiw the woman said she asked Charlie about the rumours on the internet and he said NOT TRUE. That be a ray of hope..... The internet is a good place for all kinds of misquotes, blatant lies, rumours, and down right stupidity and we continue to sit at our computers and take them all in and discuss them.  I think we have been doing this kind of thing for many years.. It's been the highs and the lows of the frickin Rolling Stones.  And we will continue to do so until we get it directly from the horse's mouth.....

..but we just DID!!

Gazza wrote on Sep 3^rd, 2009 at 5:47pm:

PartyDoll MEG wrote on Sep 3rd, 2009 at 1:33pm: Stewed n Keefed wrote on Sep 3rd, 2009 at 1:08pm: Just seen a interveiw with Charlie on BBC news South from Crawley where he is playing tonight. After the interveiw the woman said she asked Charlie about the rumours on the internet and he said NOT TRUE. That be a ray of hope..... The internet is a good place for all kinds of misquotes, blatant lies, rumours, and down right stupidity and we continue to sit at our computers and take them all in and discuss them.  I think we have been doing this kind of thing for many years.. It's been the highs and the lows of the frickin Rolling Stones.  And we will continue to do so until we get it directly from the horse's mouth..... ..but we just DID!!

Well since you love semantics.. we did not get it from the horse's mouth..

we got if from the reporters... ;) ;D

I got the impression that she asked Charlie directly and he said 'not true'. Surely thats direct, is it not?

Works for me, how to ruin your reputation in a day, spread a baseless rumour !

I have such MIXED EMOTIONS. Hoping and wishing that Charlie stays with the band, if at all possible. Can't imagine the Stones being the Stones without Charlie boy....:(

PartyDoll MEG wrote on Sep 3^rd, 2009 at 6:01pm:

Gazza wrote on Sep 3rd, 2009 at 5:47pm: PartyDoll MEG wrote on Sep 3rd, 2009 at 1:33pm: Stewed n Keefed wrote on Sep 3rd, 2009 at 1:08pm: Just seen a interveiw with Charlie on BBC news South from Crawley where he is playing tonight. After the interveiw the woman said she asked Charlie about the rumours on the internet and he said NOT TRUE. That be a ray of hope..... The internet is a good place for all kinds of misquotes, blatant lies, rumours, and down right stupidity and we continue to sit at our computers and take them all in and discuss them.  I think we have been doing this kind of thing for many years.. It's been the highs and the lows of the frickin Rolling Stones.  And we will continue to do so until we get it directly from the horse's mouth..... ..but we just DID!! Well since you love semantics.. we did not get it from the horse's mouth.. we got if from the reporters... ;) ;D

We got it from the owner of the horse's mouth. Isn't that good enough? :Youmakeagrownmancrylikejoey

sweetcharmedlife wrote on Sep 3^rd, 2009 at 6:54pm:

PartyDoll MEG wrote on Sep 3rd, 2009 at 6:01pm: Gazza wrote on Sep 3rd, 2009 at 5:47pm: PartyDoll MEG wrote on Sep 3rd, 2009 at 1:33pm: Stewed n Keefed wrote on Sep 3rd, 2009 at 1:08pm: Just seen a interveiw with Charlie on BBC news South from Crawley where he is playing tonight. After the interveiw the woman said she asked Charlie about the rumours on the internet and he said NOT TRUE. That be a ray of hope..... The internet is a good place for all kinds of misquotes, blatant lies, rumours, and down right stupidity and we continue to sit at our computers and take them all in and discuss them.  I think we have been doing this kind of thing for many years.. It's been the highs and the lows of the frickin Rolling Stones.  And we will continue to do so until we get it directly from the horse's mouth..... ..but we just DID!! Well since you love semantics.. we did not get it from the horse's mouth.. we got if from the reporters... ;) ;D We got it from the owner of the horse's mouth. Isn't that good enough? :Youmakeagrownmancrylikejoey

Oh for crying out loud...

Of course SnK's comment was good enough for me..horse's mouth or not.

I do think, however, that Charlie is doing some "posturing" with his partners about touring and that is where the supposed "insider rumours" are coming from.

jostorm wrote on Sep 3^rd, 2009 at 12:52pm:

It ain't over until the fat lady sings, and from where I'm sitting she hasn't sung yet.....y

In the Stones world, it ain't over until the skinny dude stops singing.

PartyDoll MEG wrote on Sep 3^rd, 2009 at 7:42pm:

I do think, however, that Charlie is doing some "posturing" with his partners about touring and that is where the supposed "insider rumours" are coming from.

That does seem like a very likely explanation for the roller-coaster ride of the past two days...
I think Charlie's always been difficult to convince to get on the world-wide tours and all. And who can blame him, he's been doing it for all his life and he's not twenty years old anymore.

In the end, I still have this strong feeling we will get another big tour out of them. With Charlie of course.
And I don't know what this is telling about me, but I kind of enjoy this turn of events just for the discussions we've been having again  :aimama Stones -related, that is.

Eventually, I know it will all work out, so no worries  :weed :keithpunky

Charlie on BBC South East yesterday night :

Sorry for the very bad quality (BBC player is very small and videos are compressed), but words are more important than the images.
Especially at the end of the report when the young lady says that  Charlie denied last days rumours.

I think that's puting an end of all the recent craziness on message boards !

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4x8CRUaKG0c

I knew you would find the interview, Jeep!!  Thanks 8-) 8-) :willya

Jeep wrote on Sep 4^th, 2009 at 3:28am:

Charlie on BBC South East yesterday night : Sorry for the very bad quality (BBC player is very small and videos are compressed), but words are more important than the images. Especially at the end of the report when the young lady says that  Charlie denied last days rumours. I think that's puting an end of all the recent craziness on message boards ! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4x8CRUaKG0c

     Thank You Jeep.....ohhhh....now it's possible to breathe with relief :)

Riffhard wrote on Sep 3^rd, 2009 at 3:04pm:

LJ, you may well remember me telling you on the phone a few weeks ago that a person that I know that is very solid as far as "scoops" goes told me that it was all up to Charlie. Chaz has let it be known for some time now that he is sick to death of touring, and has no desire to do so again. And while some of us may well say, "no Charlie, no Stones", I doubt that that is the way Mick would see it. Cohl certainly won't see it that way. I tend to think that we may get one more tour out Charlie and then he'll hang it up. Business wise that would make perfect sense too. They are about to release some of the vaults material (however sparingly) with the 40th Anniversary diskset of Ya-Ya's. Not to mention the latest record deal and the remasters. My bet is that they are finally seeing the end of the road themselves, and will most likely go out with one more massive tour as part of their long goodbye. That's just my thoughts, but I'd wager that the rumor concerning Charlie is more probably true than not. Riffy

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I think, your post show at the most the truth about almost  we all think about Charlie and the Stones also.

FotiniD wrote on Sep 4^th, 2009 at 2:11am:

PartyDoll MEG wrote on Sep 3rd, 2009 at 7:42pm: I do think, however, that Charlie is doing some "posturing" with his partners about touring and that is where the supposed "insider rumours" are coming from. That does seem like a very likely explanation for the roller-coaster ride of the past two days... I think Charlie's always been difficult to convince to get on the world-wide tours and all. And who can blame him, he's been doing it for all his life and he's not twenty years old anymore.

Another 'take' on things from a poster on IORR based on info he claims to have sort of alludes to that. If its true, it also pretty much gives credibility to what some people on both 'sides' of the argument are saying.

Basically, his take on it is that Charlie hasn't quit, but HAS told his bandmates that if he's going to continue, things HAVE to be scaled back (which suggests to me no more megatours lasting 18 months to 2 years etc). If the Stones do that, he's in - if they don't, he's not interested.  So, effectively he's passed the decision on his future over to Mick and Keith.

If thats correct, it vindicates the statement from Charlie and the Stones office that he hasn't quit, but at the same time it also gives a bit of credibility (albeit with a different spin on the words used) to Cashmere's story about him not wanting to do another big tour. It's just that it isn't as black and white as the 'Charlie has quit' camp appear to be suggesting.  And as the Stones haven't formally announced ANY plans to tour and probably WON'T do for some considerable time, then they would really have all that period to decide what their medium to long term plans will be as a performing unit from mid 2010 on.  At the minute, it's somewhat apparent that they do INTEND to tour in 2010 at some point, but what format that tour will take is probably still to be decided.

Plenty of time to come up with some arrangement that'll keep him on board AND see the four of them together on a concert stage somewhere in 2010. I've little doubt that they will do that.

maybe Charlie will stay on as a "studio" Stone, and they're take
a session drummer out on the road with them?

I'd be even more amazed if that was the end result, Ade.

I think as far as all of the Stones are concerned, it would have to be 'all or nothing'.

Jeep wrote on Sep 4^th, 2009 at 3:28am:

Charlie on BBC South East yesterday night : Sorry for the very bad quality (BBC player is very small and videos are compressed), but words are more important than the images. Especially at the end of the report when the young lady says that  Charlie denied last days rumours. I think that's puting an end of all the recent craziness on message boards ! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4x8CRUaKG0c

Thank you Jeep!!

That was a nice interview....Charlie is so self-deprecating and charming. I loved when he said Mick does the entertaining and
he just sits in the back and keeps it all together, that Mick is the one who is aware of the girl in the red dress in the front row.  
:areyoufuckingserious

Gazza wrote on Sep 4^th, 2009 at 6:22am:

FotiniD wrote on Sep 4th, 2009 at 2:11am: PartyDoll MEG wrote on Sep 3rd, 2009 at 7:42pm: I do think, however, that Charlie is doing some "posturing" with his partners about touring and that is where the supposed "insider rumours" are coming from. That does seem like a very likely explanation for the roller-coaster ride of the past two days... I think Charlie's always been difficult to convince to get on the world-wide tours and all. And who can blame him, he's been doing it for all his life and he's not twenty years old anymore. Another 'take' on things from a poster on IORR based on info he claims to have sort of alludes to that. If its true, it also pretty much gives credibility to what some people on both 'sides' of the argument are saying. Basically, his take on it is that Charlie hasn't quit, but HAS told his bandmates that if he's going to continue, things HAVE to be scaled back (which suggests to me no more megatours lasting 18 months to 2 years etc). If the Stones do that, he's in - if they don't, he's not interested.  So, effectively he's passed the decision on his future over to Mick and Keith. If thats correct, it vindicates the statement from Charlie and the Stones office that he hasn't quit, but at the same time it also gives a bit of credibility (albeit with a different spin on the words used) to Cashmere's story about him not wanting to do another big tour. It's just that it isn't as black and white as the 'Charlie has quit' camp appear to be suggesting.  And as the Stones haven't formally announced ANY plans to tour and probably WON'T do for some considerable time, then they would really have all that period to decide what their medium to long term plans will be as a performing unit from mid 2010 on.  At the minute, it's somewhat apparent that they do INTEND to tour in 2010 at some point, but what format that tour will take is probably still to be decided. Plenty of time to come up with some arrangement that'll keep him on board AND see the four of them together on a concert stage somewhere in 2010. I've little doubt that they will do that.

Yep.
As I was tossing and turning last night this is EXACTLY what I came up with too.

I also think Charlie is fed up with the "Twins" and their incessant bickering.

Perhaps this is his way of telling "his singer" and "his guitar player" to get their shit together.

LJ.

Hmm, would I then be very optimistic to think Charlie's requests could actually lead to certain changes and small wonders for the Stones, like, say, club gigs?   :aimama

Well, "Miss You" started playing on the radio the minute I wrote this, I'll take that as a good sign, lol  ;D

JMHO, for what ever it's worth.....The negotiating the future angle of this story does seem to be the most likely explaination of the events of the last two days.  I'm sure they are discussing everything from the Exile project, new album, producer, tour, etc.  It very well could be that Charlie put his foot down on an issue and somehow the story got blown into Charlie quit.  And it could be any issue.  

Maybe he is still mad at Keith about that fashion icon bit...who knows.  But the Stones without Charlie just wouldn't be the same.  Part of their unique sound comes from the fact that Charlie is a JAZZ drummer.  He plays rock n roll with that touch.  Nearly impossible to replace these days.  Not many drummers left with that kind of pedigree that are willing to venture into rock n roll.

Yes it makes sense and I for one won't be sorry to see the "Mega Tours" go away... topic's been beaten to death but the Stones got into music for their love for it and we're fans because of the music, not for these circus shows...who have kept them interested...financially, especially since 1989.

Problem is they'd need to rethink the way they tour and it's going to be harder for them to make mega bucks, not that they need them, but they a "decrease" is always hard to cope with.

Now we'll see if they still really like the music !

Brainbell Jangler wrote on Sep 3^rd, 2009 at 8:01pm:

jostorm wrote on Sep 3rd, 2009 at 12:52pm: It ain't over until the fat lady sings, and from where I'm sitting she hasn't sung yet.....y In the Stones world, it ain't over until the skinny dude stops singing.

Ooooh,BJ,  let's play "Gazza and Meggypoo have too much time on their hands at work today", why don't we?...

ACTUALLY, the skinny dude doesn't sing.....

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PS: Gazza: can we change the name of the thread now, or would that be premature resemantication ???  [smiley=wink.gif]

LadyJane wrote on Sep 4^th, 2009 at 6:50am:

Yep. As I was tossing and turning last night this is EXACTLY what I came up with too. I also think Charlie is fed up with the "Twins" and their incessant bickering. Perhaps this is his way of telling "his singer" and "his guitar player" to get their shit together. LJ.

Yeah. I think (or I'd like to think!) it's probably more a reflection that he's simply no longer interested in paying lip service to the egofest that is Jagger & Cohl's obsession with outgrossing every previous tour because not only is it utterly soulless and pointless but it also takes up far too long a chunk out of his life in order to achieve it.

The man is 68 years old, is devoted to his wife, is fabulously wealthy and hasn't needed to work for decades, has always disliked being away from home for long periods and had a serious brush with death just five years ago. He enjoys playing with the Stones, but no one can really blame him if he wanted to pack it in - and it's perfectly reasonable if he wants to make a few compromises by insisting on downscaling at this stage of his life.

AngieBlue wrote on Sep 4^th, 2009 at 6:58am:

JMHO, for what ever it's worth.....The negotiating the future angle of this story does seem to be the most likely explaination of the events of the last two days.  I'm sure they are discussing everything from the Exile project, new album, producer, tour, etc.  It very well could be that Charlie put his foot down on an issue and somehow the story got blown into Charlie quit.  And it could be any issue.

Good analysis, I think.

I've also thought that the way the last tour was structured (and even the NAME of it) suggested that there was probably some agreement beforehand within the band that it was a sort of 'farewell' to many places and that things would have to change after that tour. The sheer variety of locations they visited and the number of secondary (and lesser) markets which got shows was unprecedented - it was if they were intending to put a (tongue) pin on as many places on the map as they could.  

Shorter bursts of touring in a smaller range of cities and countries makes more sense at their age - and in the light of what's happened with the global economy in the last 18 months, thats made that even more practical from a  business perspective for a band who charge as much money for a performance as the Stones do.  

Well if Charlie is willing to tour,but on a smaller scale. You know Keith isn't that concerned with setting gross dollar tour records and Ronnie just happy to be in the band. Maybe it bodes well for a reasonably priced smaller venue tour. Most likely however with the same old warhorses. BEcause one thing Charlie isn't going to do is try and tell Mick what to play. Take the good with the bad. Maybe if they can just play what they well, we canm get by with a less than die hard friendly set.

I think if they are going to play smaller venues and/or tour for shorter periods, one thing we can be sure of that ISN'T necessarily going to follow is 'reasonable prices', unfortunately.

I think the reality is the huge tours are gone and cant see them risking a biggerr Whatever to outdo the U2 Claw.Charlie would have none of it anyway. So if its a few one offs in tighter areas then we will need to head to:

London/Paris/Germany
New York
LA
Philly
Boston
Chicago

And the thought there would be anything remotely resembling reasonable tickets is a wing and a prayer at best.

gimmekeef wrote on Sep 4^th, 2009 at 10:29am:

And the thought there would be anything remotely resembling reasonable tickets is a wing and a prayer at best.

So are sell outs.

sweetcharmedlife wrote on Sep 4^th, 2009 at 10:51am:

gimmekeef wrote on Sep 4th, 2009 at 10:29am: And the thought there would be anything remotely resembling reasonable tickets is a wing and a prayer at best. So are sell outs.

Not if you're playing arenas and doing 15 shows per tour leg instead of 30-40.

Gazza wrote on Sep 4^th, 2009 at 10:55am:

sweetcharmedlife wrote on Sep 4th, 2009 at 10:51am: gimmekeef wrote on Sep 4th, 2009 at 10:29am: And the thought there would be anything remotely resembling reasonable tickets is a wing and a prayer at best. So are sell outs. Not if you're playing arenas and doing 15 shows per tour leg instead of 30-40.

It will be if they charge $150-200 a ticket.

Thats what they averaged last time ($167 to be exact) and they generally had little problem filling most arenas. It was the tickets at $450 for so-so seats far from the stage in stadiums that were the problem.

The average ticket price at places in primary markets like MSG were probably close to double what they were in the likes of oh, lets throw a name out there, erm..Omaha. Each venue was price-structured depending on the likely ticket demand for that area and they had no problem selling out a couple of MSG shows in January 2006 just four months after playing one night there followed by a gig at Giants Stadium two nights later.

Selling out four or five shows at the same venue at those prices isnt going to happen, but the trend on the last tour in main markets has been to play maybe one or two shows (LA, NY, Chicago, London etc) and then come back a few months later when the ticket buyer has been able to 'recover' sufficiently to buy tickets again in similar quantities.

Additionally, by the time they go on the road in 2010, it'll probably have been four years since they last set foot on an Amercan concert stage. They oversaturated the market in 2005-2006 but thats a long enough break for the market to recover.

Ok, I give up your right. :sad

Yes it makes sense, that's for the business side, but I wonder what kind of shape they're going to be going forward though, especially Keith and his deformed hands and Ronnie and his "problems"...

gotdablouse wrote on Sep 4^th, 2009 at 11:58am:

Yes it makes sense, that's for the business side, but I wonder what kind of shape they're going to be going forward though, especially Keith and his deformed hands and Ronnie and his "problems"...

Thats why I personally dont want to see them doing long stretches of touring.One of the band members clearly doesnt want to consider it and, based on the last tour, two of the others are too inconsistent to carry it off.

gimmekeef wrote on Sep 4^th, 2009 at 10:29am:

I think the reality is the huge tours are gone and cant see them risking a biggerr Whatever to outdo the U2 Claw.Charlie would have none of it anyway. So if its a few one offs in tighter areas then we will need to head to: London/Paris/Germany Quote: and Milan? New York LA Philly Boston Chicago And the thought there would be anything remotely resembling reasonable tickets is a wing and a prayer at best.

" The average ticket price at places in primary markets like MSG were probably close to double what they were in the likes of oh, lets throw a name out there, erm..Omaha. "

http://www.grioo.com/images/rubriques/7/1005.jpg !!!!!!!!!

Gazza wrote on Sep 4^th, 2009 at 10:12am:

I think if they are going to play smaller venues and/or tour for shorter periods, one thing we can be sure of that ISN'T necessarily going to follow is 'reasonable prices', unfortunately.

Maybe Charlie can get cranky again and insist on reasonable prices.  He'd probably be told in unison to hit the road.

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ACTUALLY, the skinny dude doesn't sing.....

Well, I call what Mick does "singing," and if he ain't skinny, who is?
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latest from undercover :

http://undercover.com.au/News-Story.aspx?id=9173_Charlie_Watts_Confirms_He_Is_Still_With_The_Stones

Charlie Watts Confirms He Is Still With The Stones

by Paul Cashmere - September 5 2009
photo by Ros O'Gorman

The good news for Rolling Stones fans is that Charlie Watts has announced on a UK radio interview that he has not left the band.

Undercover inadvertently sent shockwaves through the Stones community this week when we published a story saying that Charlie had left the band after being advised by a source close to a member of the band.

Within a matter of hours, a publicist for the Stones was shooting down the story although sceptics still insisted that where there is smoke there is fire.

Val King of Spinearth did the most thorough research into the story, connecting with Stones rep Bernard Doherty who says he confronted Charlie about it. “We literally laughed our arses off for two good minutes,” he told King.

Doherty also said Mick Jagger rang him from the Bahamas and jokingly asked why no-one had told him Charlie had left the band.

Charlie, always a man of few words, had just two words to say when he was asked about it on the BBC today. “Not true,” was his reply.

The Undercover story could have quickly been dismissed if it was a fabrication but there seemed to be enough legs in our story to make the Stones themselves jump into action.

So when will we hear new music from the Stones or see them on tour again? That may be for a very long time according to Doherty’s comments to Val King. “I can tell you that Charlie isn't going anywhere. They have the 50th anniversary coming up, are working on the next CD, and planning tours," he said.

The Stones 50th anniversary with Charlie in the band will be in January 2013. That is a lot of planning for an anniversary still more than 3 years away.

In 2013, Mick Jagger and Keith Richards will both turn 70. Charlie will be 72. In fact Bill Wyman might even get out of bed for that anniversary. He will be 77 by then.

For the record, Wyman resigned the Rolling Stones in January 1991. He fulfilled the recording of just one more song, ‘Sex Drive’ for the Flashpoint album. Bill’s departure was continually denied until December 1992 when the Stones reactivated.

http://www.spinearth.tv/report/paul-cashmere-stands-firm-behind-charlie-watts-story

Paul Cashmere, CEO of Undercover Media - Australia, and author of yesterdays controversial article quoting a "Rolling Stones insider" that insists Charlie Watts has left the band, is standing by his story and source. The article sent an immediate slew of Facebookers, Myspacers and Twits rushing to their laptops and Blackberrys to devour scaps of the news.

An official rebuttal was issued a few hours after the story hit the internet by Stones' PR spokeswoman, Fran Curtis, which stated, "Contrary to a fabricated story that ran this morning on a small music web site in Australia, drummer Charlie Watts has not left The Rolling Stones."

Cashmere posted the following on the main page of undercover.com:
"Yesterday’s story has gone right to the centre of the Stones empire with an announcement from Stones spokesperson Fran Curtis calling it a ‘”fabricated story”. Not quite. The story did not come from an anonymous email or from someone unconnectetd to the band. It was a reliable source. Right now, we will take on board at face value the statement from Fran Curtis saying “drummer Charlie Watts has not left The Rolling Stones” and look forward to hearing about what the Stones will do next. Not every official announcement about an artist always turns out to be true. Not every reliable source always turns out to be right either. Undercover does not make up stories. We write about what we hear and what we've heard is Charlie has left the band. Undercover is sticking by the absolute truth of the story until Charlie Watts himself denies it."

Perhaps some of the people/publications out there slinging insults and making assumptions about Undercover should have taken the time to "Google" Paul Cashmere. His professional resume is impressive and spans a career going back to his early radio days in the 70's and 80's. He is considered by many to be a media pioneer and veteran who's roots run deep in the music industry. Undercover Media was founded in 1994 and launched one of the first online music sites and magazine on CD-ROM in the world, which claims to reach more than 2 million readers worldwide with daily music and news interviews. Other media have referenced undercover.com as "usually very reliable."

I emailed Mr. Cashmere to ask him if he was prepared to stand behind or reveal the source that caused the world to brace for a Rolling Stones breakup in light of the article he wrote and how he felt about the claims that his story was false. In an email received a short while ago, Paul Cashmere wrote:

"I am not about to reveal the source but by all means do your digging. I spoke with my source again today after the fallout from the story and he still insists it it 100% accurate.

Right now, when they will do something again, all shall be revealed.

I can't imagine Charlie missing out on the 50th in 2013, whatever that may be, but I can't see him agree to another world tour. Time will tell.

Anyone who knows us knows we are not tabloid, gossip or sensational. We report the news as we hear it and we don't report it unless we are convinced it is accurate." Paul Cashmere, CEO

So, the saga continues...for now. We have been reporting all sides of this story for the last 24 hours. At this juncture, Mr. Cashmere has a 50/50 shot of coming out of this smelling like a rose if his source turns out to be true. I personally hope that his source was wrong or misinformed.

http://spinearth.tv/report/preposterous-charlie-and-mick-laugh-their-arses-off

This is the story that just won't go away. An article on Undercover.com hit the wires on Tuesday with claims that a Rolling Stones insider leaked the news that Charlie Watts, Stones drummer for over 37 years, had quit the band.Fans around the world were shocked and were bracing for a possible break up of the band altogether.

Despite an official statement by Fran Curtis, the head of Rolling Stones' North American public relations, that Charlie had not left the band, speculation and rumors are still flying all over cyberspace. But instead of maintaining the suspense, we're trying to figure things out just as much as anyone.

First of all, this fire has been fueled by a number of factors, starting with the author of the original article and CEO of Undercover Media, Paul Cashmere, who insists his source is "100% correct" and "time will show that my story was accurate." Bloggers and Twitters are speculating as well, wondering why Charlie Watts hasn't dispelled the rumor himself.

I spoke with "The Man", Bernard Doherty, in London yesterday afternoon to try to get to the bottom of it all. Doherty is the O.G. of PR in Europe and has been the main press liaison for the Stones for over 23 years. His company, LD Communications, boasts an A+ List roster of "whos who" in music; as well as handling PR for just about every major show in the last three decades (Live Aid, Concert for Dianna - you name it - he was behind it).

Doherty was adamant that Charlie Watts is not leaving the band. When I told him that Paul Cashmere was backing his source, he replied laughingly, "Well, of course he is! This is the best publicity he could have ask for, both for his website and himself. Sounds like something drummed up in a pub in Australia. 'Yeah, let's say Charlie Watts is quitting the Stones!'... It's absolutely NOT true and was a fabricated story to elicit just this kind of response. And it worked. Here we are talking about this for ten minutes. Like SPIN or I have nothing better to do. Ridiculous waste of time for both of us."

I pointed out that many fans and other media were wondering why Charlie had not issued a personal statement and the fact that no one from the band had spoken out on the subject either. Doherty said,
"Look, as soon as the story hit, I waited until a respectable 9 a.m. to walk the short distance from LD Comm. to Charlie's flat (although he is an early riser). I rang the bell and he answered. I won't tell you his exact words, because they contain some expletives, but we literally laughed our arses off for a good two minutes. So, obviously he is finding humor in the notion that he would quit the band. We discussed issuing an official statement, and that truly should have been the end of it. Short of marching him up on a stage in front of cameras, which we will not do, the official statement should suffice."

Doherty went on to say, "Perhaps the world hasn't heard from the band, but Mick (Jagger) called me yesterday from the West Indies and very jokingly asked why no one told him Charlie had quit. Again, we just had a great laugh over it! How preposterous that this rumor; started by someone for publicity and does not know what he's talking about (Cashmere) has been blown so out of proportion."

I asked him if there were any plans to have Charlie Watts issue a personal statement, to which Doherty replied, "Not at this time, I don't believe. A statement was issued by Fran Curtis (PR firm of Rogers & Cowan - NYC). Everyone knows who Fran is, and that should truly suffice to set everyone's mind at ease. She would be the one to decide if that were to happen, but I can tell you that Charlie isn't going anywhere. They have the 50th anniversary coming up, are working on the next CD, and planning tours."

Fran Curtis is out of the office for Labor Day Weekend and could not be reached for comment. But we think the case is closed here. Finally!

This kind of publicity almost always means good news for Stones activity in the near future - either they'll be announcing something very soon, or they've got high hopes for how many of these deluxe Ya-Ya's things they can sell.

Hopefully the part about them scaling back the live shows is true though.  I have no interest in another tour like the last one :warhorse

Deathgod wrote on Sep 4^th, 2009 at 11:24pm:

latest from undercover : http://undercover.com.au/News-Story.aspx?id=9173_Charlie_Watts_Confirms_He_Is_Still_With_The_Stones Charlie Watts Confirms He Is Still With The Stones by Paul Cashmere - September 5 2009 photo by Ros O'Gorman For the record, Wyman resigned the Rolling Stones in January 1991. He fulfilled the recording of just one more song, ‘Sex Drive’ for the Flashpoint album. Bill’s departure was continually denied until December 1992 when the Stones reactivated.

More poor research aimed at giving their story credibility.

The first Stones activity without Bill was the 'High Wire' video shoot in March 1991 - because it took place in New York and Bill by this time wasn't flying anywhere.

He hadn't formally left the band after that although he'd privately announced to them his intention to do so  - his lack of commitment was pretty much sealed when he refused to sign the new recording contract made with Virgin in November 1991. When asked about it, Charlie said "I think it's something along the lines of he wants to leave, but we won't let him. It's like The Mafia - you can't leave". Mick said in an interview in December 1992 (after attending a Keith solo gig) that it was looking like Bill was going to leave, and his departure was made official on 6 January 1993.  

It wasn't announced to coincide with new Stones activity, which is what they appear to be hinting re: Charlie's 'departure'. In January 1993, Mick, Keith & Ronnie were all in the middle of promoting solo projects. The Stones didn't get together to work on their next album until July 1993. At that point, they hadnt even brought a replacement bassist on board. Darryl Jones didn't start playing with them until September 1993.

Dude needs to hire you as his fact checker, G...

left shoe shuffle wrote on Sep 5^th, 2009 at 8:35am:

Dude needs to hire you as his fact checker, G...

Problem is that I dont think any factual inaccuracies were included in that article with the best of intentions.

Deathgod wrote on Sep 4^th, 2009 at 11:29pm:

I emailed Mr. Cashmere to ask him if he was prepared to stand behind or reveal the source that caused the world to brace for a Rolling Stones breakup in light of the article he wrote and how he felt about the claims that his story was false. In an email received a short while ago, Paul Cashmere wrote: "I am not about to reveal the source but by all means do your digging. I spoke with my source again today after the fallout from the story and he still insists it it 100% accurate. Right now, when they will do something again, all shall be revealed. I can't imagine Charlie missing out on the 50th in 2013, whatever that may be, but I can't see him agree to another world tour. Time will tell.Anyone who knows us knows we are not tabloid, gossip or sensational. We report the news as we hear it and we don't report it unless we are convinced it is accurate." Paul Cashmere, CEO So, the saga continues...for now. We have been reporting all sides of this story for the last 24 hours. At this juncture, Mr. Cashmere has a 50/50 shot of coming out of this smelling like a rose if his source turns out to be true. I personally hope that his source was wrong or misinformed.

Well, then he's contradicting himself. The original story said that Charlie had 'quit the band' and would not record or tour with the band again.

Now he's just suggesting that a world tour is the only 'issue' but that he can't imagine Charlie 'missing out in 2013'

The original quote read : "A source within the Stones inner-circle says, “Charlie Watts has quit the band. He will never record or tour with the band again”.  

Gazza wrote on Sep 5^th, 2009 at 8:31am:

[quote author=Deathgod link=1251877030/175#193 date=1252124647] It wasn't announced to coincide with new Stones activity, which is what they appear to be hinting re: Charlie's 'departure'

Difference with that was it was actual news, this story is either manufactured or just been blown way out of proportion.  Unless Charlie really does leave

And if he did I doubt we'd hear about it as "Charlie quit the Stones" - a band member suddenly quitting is a pretty dramatic way to go, especially when it would surely mean the end of the band.  If Charlie wants to go I'm sure he'd be more professional than that and discuss this with the others before anything else.  As much as I would entirely understand & respect Charlie's decision to leave, that would be a band matter, whereas this is just something for the tabloids.  And when it comes to the Stones that usually means good news on the horizon.

It is right on time for them to announce that rumored set of rarities isn't it?

Gazza wrote on Sep 5^th, 2009 at 8:31am:

Deathgod wrote on Sep 4th, 2009 at 11:24pm: latest from undercover : http://undercover.com.au/News-Story.aspx?id=9173_Charlie_Watts_Confirms_He_Is_Still_With_The_Stones Charlie Watts Confirms He Is Still With The Stones by Paul Cashmere - September 5 2009 photo by Ros O'Gorman For the record, Wyman resigned the Rolling Stones in January 1991. He fulfilled the recording of just one more song, ‘Sex Drive’ for the Flashpoint album. Bill’s departure was continually denied until December 1992 when the Stones reactivated. More poor research aimed at giving their story credibility. The first Stones activity without Bill was the 'High Wire' video shoot in March 1991 - because it took place in New York and Bill by this time wasn't flying anywhere. He hadn't formally left the band after that although he'd privately announced to them his intention to do so  - his lack of commitment was pretty much sealed when he refused to sign the new recording contract made with Virgin in November 1991. When asked about it, Charlie said "I think it's something along the lines of he wants to leave, but we won't let him. It's like The Mafia - you can't leave". Mick said in an interview in December 1992 (after attending a Keith solo gig) that it was looking like Bill was going to leave, and his departure was made official on 6 January 1993.   It wasn't announced to coincide with new Stones activity, which is what they appear to be hinting re: Charlie's 'departure'. In January 1993, Mick, Keith & Ronnie were all in the middle of promoting solo projects. The Stones didn't get together to work on their next album until July 1993. At that point, they hadnt even brought a replacement bassist on board. Darryl Jones didn't start playing with them until September 1993.

I understood, Charlie will be equal Bill.
More or less. A new album, not a big tour, small theaters.. and then He will goes.
It's said: all the rumours has a drop of truth.
I just dont know right now..

But big prices..

I'm confused, wasn't Charlie interviewed by the BBC and said he was't leaving ? Or was the SPIN story written before that ?

They probably weren't aware of it at the time, because the report of Charlie's denial (which was only broadcast on a regional news station) came 24 hours after Fran Curtis' statement being released.

Gazza wrote on Sep 5^th, 2009 at 11:00am:

They probably weren't aware of it at the time, because the report of Charlie's denial (which was only broadcast on a regional news station) came 24 hours after Fran Curtis' statement being released.

Quoted :smoking

Start saving up now, because my sources are telling me that Charlie Almost Quit The Band '09-'10 is going to be the best Stones yet.  This will be even bigger than the Mick Thought About Bailing When Keith Made Inappropriate Remarks About His Cock Tour of '05.  Sorry Ronnie, you blew it.  Maybe next time you can be the one to almost derail the band.

"Mick Thought About Bailing When Keith Made Inappropriate Remarks About His Cock Tour of '05"

Huh, I missed that, can you fill me in, er...so to speak.

BrendanD wrote on Sep 5^th, 2009 at 1:01pm:

Start saving up now, because my sources are telling me that Charlie Almost Quit The Band '09-'10 is going to be the best Stones yet.  This will be even bigger than the Mick Thought About Bailing When Keith Made Inappropriate Remarks About His Cock Tour of '05.  Sorry Ronnie, you blew it.  Maybe next time you can be the one to almost derail the band.

agree :wow :areyoufuckingserious

gotdablouse wrote on Sep 5^th, 2009 at 1:20pm:

"Mick Thought About Bailing When Keith Made Inappropriate Remarks About His Cock Tour of '05" Huh, I missed that, can you fill me in, er...so to speak.

It was just a piece of bullshit Stones gossip I remember reading about a few weeks before the Bang tour.  It's pretty much exactly what it sounds like.

Just making a point that if there's major Stones happenings and it doesn't happen to coincide with a feud, divorce, or brush with death, then someone will create something just for some free publicity.

Mick never got too bothered about that to the extent where it was a major issue. The guy has the hide of a rhino - he'd need to have, to put up with all the mouthing off Keith has done about him in public for the last thirty years.

I'd have thought the Charlie Has Throat Cancer And Might Die '04 problem would have been the biggest hurdle they had to cross in the last few years.

This is the story that just won't go away. An article on Undercover.com hit the wires on Tuesday with claims that a Rolling Stones insider leaked the news that Charlie Watts, Stones drummer for over 37 years, had quit the band.Fans around the world were shocked and were bracing for a possible break up of the band altogether.

Despite an official statement by Fran Curtis, the head of Rolling Stones' North American public relations, that Charlie had not left the band, speculation and rumors are still flying all over cyberspace. But instead of maintaining the suspense, we're trying to figure things out just as much as anyone.

First of all, this fire has been fueled by a number of factors, starting with the author of the original article and CEO of Undercover Media, Paul Cashmere, who insists his source is "100% correct" and "time will show that my story was accurate." Bloggers and Twitters are speculating as well, wondering why Charlie Watts hasn't dispelled the rumor himself.

I spoke with "The Man", Bernard Doherty, in London yesterday afternoon to try to get to the bottom of it all. Doherty is the O.G. of PR in Europe and has been the main press liaison for the Stones for over 23 years. His company, LD Communications, boasts an A+ List roster of "whos who" in music; as well as handling PR for just about every major show in the last three decades (Live Aid, Concert for Dianna - you name it - he was behind it).

Doherty was adamant that Charlie Watts is not leaving the band. When I told him that Paul Cashmere was backing his source, he replied laughingly, "Well, of course he is! This is the best publicity he could have ask for, both for his website and himself. Sounds like something drummed up in a pub in Australia. 'Yeah, let's say Charlie Watts is quitting the Stones!'... It's absolutely NOT true and was a fabricated story to elicit just this kind of response. And it worked. Here we are talking about this for ten minutes. Like SPIN or I have nothing better to do. Ridiculous waste of time for both of us."

I pointed out that many fans and other media were wondering why Charlie had not issued a personal statement and the fact that no one from the band had spoken out on the subject either. Doherty said,
"Look, as soon as the story hit, I waited until a respectable 9 a.m. to walk the short distance from LD Comm. to Charlie's flat (although he is an early riser). I rang the bell and he answered. I won't tell you his exact words, because they contain some expletives, but we literally laughed our arses off for a good two minutes. So, obviously he is finding humor in the notion that he would quit the band. We discussed issuing an official statement, and that truly should have been the end of it. Short of marching him up on a stage in front of cameras, which we will not do, the official statement should suffice."

Doherty went on to say, "Perhaps the world hasn't heard from the band, but Mick (Jagger) called me yesterday from the West Indies and very jokingly asked why no one told him Charlie had quit. Again, we just had a great laugh over it! How preposterous that this rumor; started by someone for publicity and does not know what he's talking about (Cashmere) has been blown so out of proportion."

I asked him if there were any plans to have Charlie Watts issue a personal statement, to which Doherty replied, "Not at this time, I don't believe. A statement was issued by Fran Curtis (PR firm of Rogers & Cowan - NYC). Everyone knows who Fran is, and that should truly suffice to set everyone's mind at ease. She would be the one to decide if that were to happen, but I can tell you that Charlie isn't going anywhere. They have the 50th anniversary coming up, are working on the next CD, and planning tours."

Fran Curtis is out of the office for Labor Day Weekend and could not be reached for comment. But we think the case is closed here. Finally!

____________________________________________________________________

This article puts it to rest for me.
I am sleeping better now, but realize I will need intense therapy when THAT day arrives.

LJ.

LadyJane wrote on Sep 5^th, 2009 at 7:07pm:

"I pointed out that many fans and other media were wondering why Charlie had not issued a personal statement and the fact that no one from the band had spoken out on the subject either. "

Simple answer to that is that this is what people in the entertainment industry specifically employ press officers to do. And in this case they did it. Quickly.

It's ludicrous and unreasonable to expect someone to personally deny every rumour started about them - for the simple reason that it sets a precedent. If they issue a statement denying one story, and it's taken at face value then they're obliged to do the same for every one that follows it, no matter how far fetched - if they don't, their silence is taken as vindication of it.

Additionally, why should Mick Jagger be obliged to interrupt a vacation to issue a 'statement' on a non-issue to keep a few journalists happy?

Besides, Charlie did speak to a reporter and denied it anyway - so it's a moot point.

Gazza wrote on Sep 5^th, 2009 at 4:15pm:

Mick never got too bothered about that to the extent where it was a major issue. The guy has the hide of a rhino - he'd need to have, to put up with all the mouthing off Keith has done about him in public for the last thirty years. I'd have thought the Charlie Has Throat Cancer And Might Die '04 problem would have been the biggest hurdle they had to cross in the last few years.

I wouldn't  think it was ever an actual issue at all, but I do specifically remember someone playing it up to be.  Obviously that wasn't a serious matter at all, and I wouldn't call any of the media spectacles surrounding the Stones right before a tour to be "hurdles" but someone somewhere will always swear its the end of the band, and that gets pretty entertaining after a while.  Needless to say Charlie's cancer scare in '04 was nothing of that sort

What I wonder about is who is the supposed "band insider" who gave the info to the guy from Asutralia in the first palce. If he is that close to the band, why betray an inner trust by leaking this and what was the bigger agenda. Plus a bit of an odd place to leak the story too. Even if it has had crediblity in the past. It seems like kind of burying it out in the open so to speak.

BrendanD wrote on Sep 5^th, 2009 at 8:08pm:

Gazza wrote on Sep 5th, 2009 at 4:15pm: Mick never got too bothered about that to the extent where it was a major issue. The guy has the hide of a rhino - he'd need to have, to put up with all the mouthing off Keith has done about him in public for the last thirty years. I'd have thought the Charlie Has Throat Cancer And Might Die '04 problem would have been the biggest hurdle they had to cross in the last few years. I wouldn't  think it was ever an actual issue at all, but I do specifically remember someone playing it up to be.  Obviously that wasn't a serious matter at all, and I wouldn't call any of the media spectacles surrounding the Stones right before a tour to be "hurdles" but someone somewhere will always swear its the end of the band, and that gets pretty entertaining after a while.  Needless to say Charlie's cancer scare in '04 was nothing of that sort

true, although what DID help was that when THAT story broke it came with a statement that he was already receiving treatment, progressing well and was expected to make a full recovery.

Had the story broke two months earlier, for example, the doom and gloom reaction to it would have been hard to imagine.

"band insider" ???????????????

Ekatrina Ivanova???????????
:aimama

Ten Thousand Motels wrote on Sep 6^th, 2009 at 6:51am:

"band insider" ??????????????? Ekatrina Ivanova??????????? :aimama

Kat isn't a 'band insider' but she has one 'member'  of the 'band inside 'er' on a regular basis.

LMAO !

Gazza wrote on Sep 6^th, 2009 at 7:52am:

Ten Thousand Motels wrote on Sep 6th, 2009 at 6:51am: "band insider" ??????????????? Ekatrina Ivanova??????????? :aimama Kat isn't a 'band insider' but she has one 'member'  of the 'band inside 'er' on a regular basis.

:booze ;D LMAO

glen759 wrote on Sep 6^th, 2009 at 10:30am:

Gazza wrote on Sep 6th, 2009 at 7:52am: Ten Thousand Motels wrote on Sep 6th, 2009 at 6:51am: "band insider" ??????????????? Ekatrina Ivanova??????????? :aimama Kat isn't a 'band insider' but she has one 'member'  of the 'band inside 'er' on a regular basis. :booze ;D LMAO

I missed this point.
Ron's girl? Oh.. :o :booze prosit

Just saw on TV that the 'former drummer' of the English beat combo The Rolling Stones is at the England vs Australia One-Day International cricket match at Lords' with a guy who looks suspiciously like the chap he once called 'my fucking singer'.....

:areyoufuckingserious  :blankfriggingstare1

Maybe they're discussing whether or not Charley Drayton is likely to have much of an interest in the sport, eh Mr Cashmere?  [smiley=rolleyes.gif]

they are at the cricket AGAIN?  

Gazza wrote on Sep 6^th, 2009 at 10:40am:

Just saw on TV that the 'former drummer' of the English beat combo The Rolling Stones is at the England vs Australia One-Day International cricket match at Lords' with a guy who looks suspiciously like the chap he once called 'my fucking singer'..... :areyoufuckingserious  :blankfriggingstare1

Good to know, thanks Gazza
You're our 'inside' man :wtf3

LanternHigh wrote on Sep 6^th, 2009 at 10:44am:

Gazza wrote on Sep 6th, 2009 at 10:40am: Just saw on TV that the 'former drummer' of the English beat combo The Rolling Stones is at the England vs Australia One-Day International cricket match at Lords' with a guy who looks suspiciously like the chap he once called 'my fucking singer'..... :areyoufuckingserious  :blankfriggingstare1 Good to know, thanks Gazza You're our 'inside' man :wtf3

LOL...dont know about that. I'm just a guy with a TV set on at the right channel!!

Gazza wrote on Sep 6^th, 2009 at 10:46am:

LanternHigh wrote on Sep 6th, 2009 at 10:44am: Gazza wrote on Sep 6th, 2009 at 10:40am: Just saw on TV that the 'former drummer' of the English beat combo The Rolling Stones is at the England vs Australia One-Day International cricket match at Lords' with a guy who looks suspiciously like the chap he once called 'my fucking singer'..... :areyoufuckingserious  :blankfriggingstare1 Good to know, thanks Gazza You're our 'inside' man :wtf3 LOL...dont know about that. I'm just a guy with a TV set on at the right channel!!

Lol, you'll be the same :will-ya :smilemick

A big thanks to Deltics on IORR who has just uploaded this. Photo by Tom Shaw/Getty Images.

http://i417.photobucket.com/albums/pp254/Deltics_photos/CMLords060909.jpg

Sir Tim Rice is the guy on the far right. Mick and Charlie look as if they've come back from the bar to find someone has stolen their seats......

Thanks Gazza, we have the prove

'inside'r man on IORR and also here

superLol

Mick and L'wren
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Charlie, Tim Rice with Lily Allen acting as tea-lady

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All Photos by Tom Shaw/Getty Images

"Clap your hands, love!"

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Chris Jagger appears to have returned from the bar as well...
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Tom Shaw/Getty Images

Re-thanks Gazza'trip

8-) [smiley=2vrolijk_08.gif]isnt the time for a beer? or a tea for two? [smiley=beer.gif]

Gazza wrote on Sep 6^th, 2009 at 11:29am:

A big thanks to Deltics on IORR who has just uploaded this. Photo by Tom Shaw/Getty Images. http://i417.photobucket.com/albums/pp254/Deltics_photos/CMLords060909.jpg Sir Tim Rice is the guy on the far right. Mick and Charlie look as if they've come back from the bar to find someone has stolen their seats......

Maybe they're discussing severance pay. :blankfriggingstare1

wow - amazing travel schedule by the Mickster.
Italy and  Greece a week or 2 ago? then a phone call from the West Indies just the other day - and now back in the UK.  :o
way to go!

Dude is obviously scouting the globe for new percussionists!!

well i hope Lily Allen, Tim Rice, Charlie, Mick & Chris enjoyed the game - i couldn't get a bloody ticket...
and anyway the buggers beat us and we're now 2-0 down in the series....pah.  :Youmakeagrownmancrylikejoey

Gazza wrote on Sep 6^th, 2009 at 11:29am:

A big thanks to Deltics on IORR who has just uploaded this. Photo by Tom Shaw/Getty Images. http://i417.photobucket.com/albums/pp254/Deltics_photos/CMLords060909.jpg Sir Tim Rice is the guy on the far right. Mick and Charlie look as if they've come back from the bar to find someone has stolen their seats......

A crowd of people stood and stared
They'd seen his face before
Nobody was really sure
If he was from the House of Lords.

http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b362/rainingblimps2/charliemick.jpg
--Courtesy of Shidoobee poster (and my dear friend) Raining Blimps!!!

LOL..very good.

Poor Charlie hasn't had a very good week for various reasons thanks to the Aussies, has he?

They are working on the new album

Some Guy wrote on Sep 6^th, 2009 at 5:26pm:

They are working on the new album

Been reliably informed this evening that a certain Mr M. Cohl is also in London at present. I don't think that requires much joining of dots.....

Gazza wrote on Sep 6^th, 2009 at 6:06pm:

Some Guy wrote on Sep 6th, 2009 at 5:26pm: They are working on the new album Been reliably informed this evening that a certain Mr M. Cohl is also in London at present. I don't think that requires much joining of dots.....

Ian??

Gazza wrote on Sep 6^th, 2009 at 6:06pm:

Some Guy wrote on Sep 6th, 2009 at 5:26pm: They are working on the new album Been reliably informed this evening that a certain Mr M. Cohl is also in London at present. I don't think that requires much joining of dots.....

Good news for a new album and/or tour, but not good news for my wallet.  :whydontcha

Edith Grove wrote on Sep 6^th, 2009 at 6:21pm:

Gazza wrote on Sep 6th, 2009 at 6:06pm: Some Guy wrote on Sep 6th, 2009 at 5:26pm: They are working on the new album Been reliably informed this evening that a certain Mr M. Cohl is also in London at present. I don't think that requires much joining of dots..... Good news for a new album and/or tour, but not good news for my wallet.  :whydontcha

are you the same EG that shook up the world at Shidoobee?

Are you talking about that evil #666 Edith Grove ?

No, that ain't me !   :blankfriggingstare1

Edith Grove wrote on Sep 6^th, 2009 at 6:28pm:

Are you talking about that evil #666 Edith Grove ? No, that ain't me !   :blankfriggingstare1

please reveal your sources.

Gazza wrote on Sep 6^th, 2009 at 6:06pm:

Some Guy wrote on Sep 6th, 2009 at 5:26pm: They are working on the new album Been reliably informed this evening that a certain Mr M. Cohl is also in London at present. I don't think that requires much joining of dots.....

Go ahead and join them anyway :willya

Some Guy wrote on Sep 6^th, 2009 at 6:30pm:

Edith Grove wrote on Sep 6th, 2009 at 6:28pm: Are you talking about that evil #666 Edith Grove ? No, that ain't me !   :blankfriggingstare1 please reveal your sources.

My own ass is the source of most of what I say here!  :pukey

" Been reliably informed this evening that a certain Mr M. Cohl is also in London at present. I don't think that requires much joining of dots ..... "


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Some Guy ?

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LadyJane wrote on Sep 6^th, 2009 at 1:39pm:

http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b362/rainingblimps2/charliemick.jpg --Courtesy of Shidoobee poster (and my dear friend) Raining Blimps!!!

Lol, LJ, love it! ;D :wow :smilebrian

For what the heck ever it is worth .... Undercover.com.au, the website that initially said Charlie was quitting The Stones now posted a comment from the Stones rep Bernard Doherdy, who was speaking with Val King, a correspondent from Spin earth ...another music based website, in response to stifling the rumor about Charlie quitting in which the rep states that The Stones are working on their next CD...in which he could mean currently?

(Hmmm....I thought The Stones were all in separate places over the globe for the most part lately ...still Keith says he and Mick have been face to face so who knows...maybe they are sifting through things in the can for the neext CD as well while sifting through stuff for the new Exile jaunt or possibly maybe they did meet and start something brand new on it at some point).

Stones rep Bernard Doherdy's comment appears both ...as The Stones could be taken they are currently working on the CD or perhaps are simply "planning" on another CD. However it does to me seem more to the point of "currently" working...  hmmm...interesting. His exact comment is listed below:

“I can tell you that Charlie isn't going anywhere. They have the 50th anniversary coming up, are working on the next CD, and planning tours," he said.

Here is the link to the full story :http://undercover.com.au/News-Story.aspx?id=9173

*Remember now, this should be taken with a nice grain of salt being as this website was the one that initially started the rumor. However, you would think THIS TIME they would have all their ducks in a row before publishing anything more in relation to the story.


Just a quick note is all.


Ian

They're not 'working on a new CD' - Keith himself has said that he hopes for it to happen 'next year'. A bit of hyperbole on Doherty's part, unless he just means they're both working on songs.  Besides, these days you dont even need to be in the same country as someone to be collaborating on a recording with them.

It was good to read Keith saying that he and Mick had got together to put some input into the Exile reissue (makes a change after the Live Licks, Rarities and Biggest Bang farces when they left the completion of the projects to other people) - can't imagine that listening to a few old tapes would take up much of their time, though.

[quote author=Gazza link=1251877030/250#252 date=1252409353]They're not 'working on a new CD' - Keith himself has said that he hopes for it to happen 'next year'.

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Well Gazza, here we go again. Actually we do not know what they have done. Mick and Keith had been spending time together, face to face, in a recording studio .....and we had absolutely no friggin idea.... Who knows, they could of spent a couple weeks together. They could of already wrote a dozen new tracks for the album. We do not know.

My guess is Mick, Charlie, and Keith have been discussing song ideas, discussing the album, the production style etc. etc. ya-da, ya-da, ya-da. I also think by now they have a very definitive plan of the recording schedule and time frame in which they are to work on it. I do not think they all actually been in the studio together to officially record any of it with proper staff and a producer. I do think they have been putting things into motion on it though with a definitive plan in mind. It IS September and by now, The Stones schedule track record for the past 20 years had them with songs written and had been writing together for an album the following year by this time.



Do I think they are recording together right now? ...no. However I am sure they have it all laid out before them and have already spoke and exchanged some songs ideas, production style, schedule etc. etc. I do not think it is as little as "oh, I hope to record an album next year with everyone". I am sure the wheels have already started moving. We are into September now. If they are using a producer he will most likely have to be contacted and informed of the general production time frame. It is music, but it is also big business.

Quite sure it isn't as little as them all just saying to themselves ...."oh I hope we can all do an album soon".


Ian

Ian -
When's the last time M&K actually wrote something together?

Hasn't their MO been to bring stuff they've written to the studio and have the collective "Stones" it up?

left shoe shuffle wrote on Sep 8^th, 2009 at 2:48pm:

Ian - When's the last time M&K actually wrote something together? Hasn't their MO been to bring stuff they've written to the studio and have the collective "Stones" it up?

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The last time they did an album. July and August 2004. They sat in Micks living room, with an acoustic guitar and piano and wrote tunes at Micks house for A Bigger Bang. It was just them two for a while. In time Don Was, and the rest of the staff and rest of the band started to gather at Micks. They chose to record much of it right there. This is factual and well stated by both of them as well as Don Was and Charlie, and Ronnie. This is what made A Bigger Bang.

Ian

So Keef shares the blame for 'Streets Of Love'?
I don't think so.

Charlie had an excused absence.
He was being treated for throat cancer.

As for Ronnie's comments, I though they were mostly of the "dunno, I wasn't there" variety.
He's MIA on a bunch of ABB tracks...

Rolling Stone quotes Keith as saying the recent "face to face" was for the 'Exile' project.

Had they actually worked on new tunes, Keith would've likely teased that in conjunction with “I’m trying to gather the boys together. One way or another, I’ll get them back in line.”

left shoe shuffle wrote on Sep 8^th, 2009 at 2:48pm:

Ian - When's the last time M&K actually wrote something together?

1971, roughly.

left shoe shuffle wrote on Sep 8^th, 2009 at 2:48pm:

Ian - When's the last time M&K actually wrote something together? Hasn't their MO been to bring stuff they've written to the studio and have the collective "Stones" it up?

In all seriousness, I think the Voodoo Lounge sessions were the last example of true collaboration. The key there was the generous amount of time they gave themselves to deliver an album.... And I don't mean time between releases; I mean time allotted specifically to working together.

ABB ~ Keef states on a video that he likes the song Streets of Love VERY MUCH and enjoys playing it! So obviously it isnt all one sided decisions made by MICK. I can guess if KEEF doesnt like a song, it is not included on the album and goes to MICK's solo projects.

Bitch wrote on Sep 10^th, 2009 at 7:09am:

ABB ~ Keef states on a video that he likes the song Streets of Love VERY MUCH and enjoys playing it! So obviously it isnt all one sided decisions made by MICK. I can guess if KEEF doesnt like a song, it is not included on the album and goes to MICK's solo projects.

Sort of like when Keith says, "I can tell you, 'Undercover of the Night' ain't gonna be on" Forty Licks, and of course it ends up on there.

Bitch wrote on Sep 10^th, 2009 at 7:09am:

I can guess if KEEF doesnt like a song, it is not included on the album and goes to MICK's solo projects.

Not necessarily true, I'd imagine - and the same would apply the other way 'round.

I cant think of any more than one song that was left off a Stones album and which later appeared on a Jagger solo album (Lonely At the Top) - and even then, it was probably just left off Emotional Rescue because it wasnt finished.

Bitch wrote on Sep 10^th, 2009 at 7:09am:

ABB ~ Keef states on a video that he likes the song Streets of Love VERY MUCH and enjoys playing it! So obviously it isnt all one sided decisions made by MICK. I can guess if KEEF doesnt like a song, it is not included on the album and goes to MICK's solo projects.

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Actually not really. You'd be surprised. Keith has not agreed with several tunes (the production of Might As Well Get Juiced, Saint of Me) or how their production sounded yet he agrees to leave them on. I think Keith gives Mick Mick more slack nowadays, so a major, major riff doesn't happen and cause another 1980's feud. He compromises more now. But yes, Keith has not liked several songs, and/or the way they sounded since the 80's and they have appeared on albums. He has stated reference to these songs in interviews. Just thought I'd throw that out there is all.


Ian