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Title: Remastered Stones update Post by Deathgod on Apr 15th, 2009 at 10:35pm http://www.undercover.com.au/News-Story.aspx?id=8074 For the first time, the entire Rolling Stones catalogue will be with one company, following Mick`s flick from Virgin to Universal Music. Universal will begin a roll-out of the entire Stones catalogue from ‘Sticky Finger’ through to ‘A Bigger Bang’ totally remastered. The first batch featuring ‘Sticky Fingers’, ‘Goats Head Soap’, ‘It’s Only Rock N Roll’ and ‘Black and Blue’ will be released on May 8. On June 12, ‘Some Girls, ‘Emotional Rescue’, ‘Tattoo You’ and ‘Undercover’ will be reissued. Then on July 17, ‘Dirty Work’, ‘Steel Wheels’, ‘Voodoo Lounge’, Bridges To Babylon’ and ‘A Bigger Bang’ will be back on the shelves. ‘Exile On Main Street’ is being held back for its own special release later in the year. Max Hole of Universal said in a statement “The Rolling Stones redefined music. By making these iconic albums available again – and retaining the essence of the original track listings and sleeve design – we believe that music fans will rediscover just why they are the world’s greatest rock & roll band.” All albums will be re-mastered and all retain the original track listing and sleeve design. A collectors box featuring all 14 albums will be released later in the year. All albums will also be made available as downloads. 1st batch – May 8 Sticky Fingers [2009 re-mastered] Tracklisting: Brown Sugar Sway Wild Horses Can’t You Hear Me Knocking You Gotta Move Bitch I Got The Blues Sister Morphine Dead Flowers Moonlight Mile Goats Head Soup [2009 re-mastered] Tracklisting: Dancing With Mr D. 100 Years Coming Down Again Doo Doo Doo Doo Doo (Heartbreaker) Angie Silver Train Hide Your Love Winter Can You Hear The Music Star Star It's Only Rock 'N' Roll [2009 re-mastered] Tracklisting: If You can’t Rock me Ain’t Too Proud To Beg It’s Only Rock’n’Roll (But I Like It) Till The Next Goodbye Time Waits For No One Luxury Dance Little Sister If You Really Want To Be My Friend Short And Curlies Fingerprint File Black And Blue [2009 re-mastered ] Tracklisting: Hot Stuff Hand Of Fate Cherry Oh Baby Memory Motel Hey Negrita Melody Fool To Cry Crazy Mama 2nd batch –June 12 1. Some Girls [2009 re-mastered] 2. Emotional Rescue [2009 re-mastered] 3. Tattoo You [2009 re-mastered] 4. Undercover [2009 re-mastered] 3rd batch – July 17 1. Dirty Work [2009 re-mastered] 2. Steel Wheels [2009 re-mastered] 3. Voodoo Lounge [2009 re-mastered] 4. Bridges To Babylon [2009 re-mastered] 5. A Bigger Bang [2009 re-mastered] Please note: Exile On Main Street will be released later this year, as part of wider plans for this title. |
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Title: Re: Remastered Stones update Post by straycatuk on Apr 16th, 2009 at 12:55pm
very interesting comment about Exile ....companion live album ? Outakes ? dvd ? ..........we can dream !
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Title: Re: Remastered Stones update Post by gimmekeef on Apr 16th, 2009 at 1:03pm
"All albums will be available as downloads"...whoopeee remastered MP3's.....Like there not available now.What a joke...is the Easter Egg kid handling this project?
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Title: Re: Remastered Stones update Post by mojoman on Apr 16th, 2009 at 1:11pm gimmekeef wrote on Apr 16th, 2009 at 1:03pm:
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Title: Re: Remastered Stones update Post by riccardo on Apr 17th, 2009 at 12:04am
In my opinion the Expanded Exile will feature CS Blues film on DVD.
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Title: Re: Remastered Stones update Post by corgi37 on Apr 17th, 2009 at 5:36am
In my opinion, the whole this is meaningless crap. I cannot think of 1 good excuse to even think about buying these....again.
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Title: Re: Remastered Stones update Post by Gazza on Apr 17th, 2009 at 7:09am riccardo wrote on Apr 17th, 2009 at 12:04am:
In mine, there's as much chance of Brian playing on the next tour as there is of that happening... Much more chance of 'Ladies & Gentlemen' being released with though - although I dont think theres much likelihood of that happening either. |
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Title: Re: Remastered Stones update Post by gimmekeef on Apr 17th, 2009 at 8:14am
I've heard rumors they are adding a string section and extra back up vocals to Indian Girl...................
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Title: Re: Remastered Stones update Post by GimmeExile on Apr 18th, 2009 at 12:48am Quote:
Cool! I'll finally be able to get the original sleeve design for A Bigger Bang! |
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Title: Re: Remastered Stones update Post by corgi37 on Apr 18th, 2009 at 7:34am
Pity the original Dirty Work cover gets seen again. What an atrocity that is!
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Title: Re: Remastered Stones update Post by PartyDoll MEG on Apr 18th, 2009 at 7:57am
"Remastered"
I am sick to death of that term and of music companies trying to get me to cough up my meager dollars to buy yet another "better (or BEST) sounding" version of the same damn song I have.. Give me New tunes damn it!! Unreleased tunes-I just might bite -unless it is the same bootleg stuff we already own ;) |
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Title: Re: Remastered Stones update Post by Gazza on Apr 18th, 2009 at 12:38pm corgi37 wrote on Apr 18th, 2009 at 7:34am:
At least its CD size instead of LP. I hope theyve made Olga prettier at least. Personally I'm more concerned with the traumatic potential of being able to hear 'Hold Back' clearer than it was before. :Youmakeagrownmancrylikejoey |
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Title: Re: Remastered Stones update Post by Child of the Moon on Apr 19th, 2009 at 1:59am
Wow... so the whole "Deluxe Edition" thing was just a crock.
This is ri-godddamn-diculous. You know, I picked up the Grateful Dead's latest vault release today: To Terrapin: Hartford '77. And I wondered aloud, "You know, these guys aren't even technically together any more, but they treat their fans very, very well with these vault releases. What's the Rolling Stones' fucking problem?" |
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Title: Re: Remastered Stones update Post by glencar on Apr 19th, 2009 at 7:18pm
Good question. I'm not a Dead fan by ANY MEANS but they do better by their fans. Although really, they should include soap bars with their new releases.
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Title: Re: Remastered Stones update Post by Some Guy on Apr 19th, 2009 at 7:23pm gimmekeef wrote on Apr 17th, 2009 at 8:14am:
dude... |
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Title: Re: Remastered Stones update Post by platter on Apr 19th, 2009 at 8:29pm wrote on Apr 19th, 2009 at 7:18pm:
or patroolie :whydontcha |
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Title: Re: Remastered Stones update Post by corgi37 on Apr 20th, 2009 at 8:20am
I'm amazed how poorly their back catalogue sells. Trying to get "new" fans (fat chance) without making the old records/cd's different to some one's dad or older sibling (and yeah, i guess grand dad) is dumb. Just re-hashing it is not going to do anything. THE WHO got it perfect with their re-releases.
Unless these are the most amazing re-mixes ever heard. Which i doubt. |
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Title: Re: Remastered Stones update Post by Gazza on Apr 20th, 2009 at 7:12pm wrote on Apr 19th, 2009 at 7:18pm:
well, its a bit of a different scenario because the Stones are still (supposedly) a 'working band' plus the Dead have always been primarily focussed towards live releases to showcase their music more than studio albums. However, being thrown a few crumbs now and again would be nice. Like what Dylan has done. Im not a Dead fan either but when it comes to following a band's live music, their fans get a better deal than anyone. In the new issue of 'Uncut' out today, theyve reviewed a new Dead live album, covering their three seminal Winterland performances from November 1973. All three nights are included (only the encore from night 1 is missing) and its on NINE cds!! Imagine a run of classic Stones shows being covered in such depth - MSG '72 for starters. |
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Title: Re: Remastered Stones update Post by Paranoid Android on Apr 21st, 2009 at 10:40pm
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Imagine a run of classic Stones shows being covered in such depth - MSG '72 for starters. [/quote] Please put the pipe down...NOW!!! :) |
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Title: Re: Remastered Stones update Post by corgi37 on Apr 22nd, 2009 at 3:13am
And THAT will never happen while they still play as it will remind people how much more powerful better they were.
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Title: Re: Remastered Stones update Post by Gazza on Apr 22nd, 2009 at 6:27am corgi37 wrote on Apr 22nd, 2009 at 3:13am:
I'm honestly surprised thats given so much emphasis, corgi. Who in their 60's plays and sings better than they did in their 20's? I can see your point but I dont think its a big deal. After all, the people who were going to see the Stones in 1972 are not - for the most part - still going to see them now. Most fans from 1972 are pretty oblivious to what the band sound like in concert in 2009 (or rather 2007) and dont care to know either. And probably vice versa. Most people attending Stones shows now couldnt even name the guitarist that Ronnie Wood replaced, and I was stunned on the last tour to read interviews with 'fans' who had travelled across continents to see the opening night in Boston and yet when asked about Brian Jones had never even heard of him. |
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Title: Re: Remastered Stones update Post by lotsajizz on Apr 22nd, 2009 at 6:49am
"sings better"...almost no one
"plays better"? plenty--Fripp and Townshend and Beck and Dickie Betts and Jorma and Neil Young and many others who did not blot out their last two decades in a blur of Sunkist/vodka beverages and mounds of blow..... |
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Title: Re: Remastered Stones update Post by Gazza on Apr 22nd, 2009 at 7:14am
Fair point, Jizzy - Chairman Pete and Shakey certainly sprung to mind for me as well.
Manual dexterity largely doesnt improve with age though, even though technique should with years of practice. |
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Title: Re: Remastered Stones update Post by Egon on Apr 22nd, 2009 at 7:58am
enough talk kids.
run to the store & buy buy buy! |
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Title: Re: Remastered Stones update Post by Gazza on May 14th, 2009 at 5:32pm
Some more gossip on the Exile remaster, via Halup on IORR (he was the guy who Don Was played the just mastered 'She Saw Me Coming' for on his car hi-fi four years ago on the night 'A Bigger Bang' had just been finished)
I talked to Don Was 2 1/2 weeks ago after a charity show he performed at with Glenn Frey at the Roxy in Los Angeles. He told me he has been working on the Exile deluxe edition and indicated that it will include unreleased tracks. He said there's a lot of songs they are going through. Was indicated nothing about the deluxe edition including a DVD, but maybe he's not involved with that part of it. We also talked about A Bigger Bang and he said he really tried to convince Mick and Keith to release it as a 12 song album. He also feels that from all the outtakes since he began working with them in 1993, that there's 2 albums worth of good material. Was didn't say it, but maybe they will compile a Tattoo You like album out of that for future release and maybe a tour could come on the heels of that? |
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Title: Re: Remastered Stones update Post by mojoman on May 14th, 2009 at 5:49pm Gazza wrote on Apr 22nd, 2009 at 7:14am:
my wife said something like that the other night......... |
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Title: Re: Remastered Stones update Post by StonesFanatic on May 15th, 2009 at 5:29am Gazza wrote on May 14th, 2009 at 5:32pm:
Hmmm, unreleased tracks...I knew it wouldn't be a CS Blues DVD since that cannot be shown without the director present due to a court ruling. I was holding out hope for L&G although honestly, it doesn't matter since most of us have that on boot DVD anyway.... Unless it's something spectacular, I think I'll have to pass on these (I know I won't buy GHS...censored Star Star!)... I'm surprised it's Exile being held back...even though it's a fan favorite, Mick has never cared for it at all... |
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Title: Re: Remastered Stones update Post by StonesFanatic on May 15th, 2009 at 5:30am mojoman wrote on May 14th, 2009 at 5:49pm:
Yeah she said that to me, too! :perverted |
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Title: Re: Remastered Stones update Post by Zack on May 15th, 2009 at 6:18am StonesFanatic wrote on May 15th, 2009 at 5:29am:
No kidding? I remember my cassette back in high school had that extremely crude overdub to obscure the word pussy. Used to blast that baby in my yellow 74 Plymouth Gold Duster, which had a huge trunk and Jensen triaxial speakers. Ugliest damn car ever made. My hearing is what it is today in part because of that car. Unbelievable in this day and age! I wonder why? In any case, I'm very happy with my Mickboy remaster Dancing So Free for all my GHS-related needs. (You got that?) |
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Title: Re: Remastered Stones update Post by StonesFanatic on May 15th, 2009 at 6:23am
Yeah I don't understand why they are releasing the censored Star Star for two reasons:
1) In this day and age, it's tame compared to what's released on a daily basis now... 2) THEY ALREADY RELEASED THE UNCENSORED VERSION ON THE EARLY-90s REMASTER... so why reverse it now? Makes no sense... |
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Title: Re: Remastered Stones update Post by Pdog on May 15th, 2009 at 5:18pm StonesFanatic wrote on May 15th, 2009 at 6:23am:
Since this was only on the US version of GHS, it is the first time it has been on CD... regardless, don't need it, and I thought I was a completist... |
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Title: Re: Remastered Stones update Post by glencar on May 15th, 2009 at 6:42pm
Every once in a while I take a shit & it just floats there, stinking up everything.
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Title: Re: Remastered Stones update Post by leonid on May 15th, 2009 at 6:51pm wrote on May 15th, 2009 at 6:42pm:
:Youmakeagrownmancrylikejoey |
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Title: Re: Remastered Stones update Post by throbby on May 16th, 2009 at 5:55am
For what it's worth. I rather like the sound on the remastered Black & Blue disc. I know most are not happy with SF, but the sound in my car on that disc was very much in your face, kinda raunchy. Made me feel young and dirty.
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Title: Re: Remastered Stones update Post by glencar on May 16th, 2009 at 7:44pm
These things are out already? I might try one or two.
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Title: Re: Remastered Stones update Post by corgi37 on May 17th, 2009 at 5:07am
Come on, Surely some one here has one of these. I is curious.
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Title: Re: Remastered Stones update Post by cabledogg2 on May 17th, 2009 at 5:21am corgi37 wrote on May 17th, 2009 at 5:07am:
Problem is you can't find a store that sells cd's anymore! Guess you'll have to get them online? |
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Title: Re: Remastered Stones update Post by Pdog on May 17th, 2009 at 8:32am corgi37 wrote on May 17th, 2009 at 5:07am:
the interest in these among audiophiles and die-hards is minimal, so the bravest of us, with money to burn are our only hope. Personally, unless these were said to be stellar, definitve type releases, I really can't buy these albums again. I have bought some of these like SF, about 6 times in my life. My money is going to be spent on something I never owned before, new Green Day, which is like a cross between Quadrophenia meets Gozdzilla and the new Deluxe Rancid album due out in two more weeks, which I have heard all the way through, and was blown away. I put on my Some Girls record the other day, 1994 version, and told myself, if this is the best mastering I can afford, I'm fine with this. I'm only interested in new to me stuff or definitve mastering. Like on the Who Deluxe of Sell Out, now that was money well spent! |
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Title: Re: Remastered Stones update Post by StonesFanatic on May 18th, 2009 at 5:38am
^Agreed, I'm tired of re-buying shit I've had for years. I've heard these new Stones masters are good, but not leaps beyond what we already have. And the packaging/album art is no better, so I'll save my $$ for new music, as you said...
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Title: Re: Remastered Stones update Post by Paranoid Android on May 18th, 2009 at 9:34am
If I were first in line to get the new DIRTY WORK...would there be anyone behind me?
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Title: Re: Remastered Stones update Post by StonesFanatic on May 18th, 2009 at 9:41am Paranoid Android wrote on May 18th, 2009 at 9:34am:
I know, it always cracks me up when the remaster/re-release treatment is extended to such crap albums... |
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Title: Re: Remastered Stones update Post by gimmekeef on May 18th, 2009 at 9:45am StonesFanatic wrote on May 18th, 2009 at 9:41am:
Problem was/is..it was even "mastered" in the first place......... |
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Title: Re: Remastered Stones update Post by StonesFanatic on May 18th, 2009 at 10:01am gimmekeef wrote on May 18th, 2009 at 9:45am:
;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D |
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Title: Re: Remastered Stones update Post by speedfreakjive on Jun 3rd, 2009 at 11:04am
just bought the remastered Sticky Fingers, and yes it is actually a better, crisper sounding master than the Virgin remasters
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Title: Re: Remastered Stones update Post by StonesFanatic on Jun 3rd, 2009 at 11:44am speedfreakjive wrote on Jun 3rd, 2009 at 11:04am:
Is the sound, combined with the packaging, worth buying another copy of it?? |
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Title: Re: Remastered Stones update Post by speedfreakjive on Jun 3rd, 2009 at 11:53am StonesFanatic wrote on Jun 3rd, 2009 at 11:44am:
i had lost my previous copy's box and sleeve, so thought I might give it a go |
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Title: Re: Remastered Stones update Post by Saint Sway on Jun 3rd, 2009 at 11:58am
THE 'SCUE remaster will revive the economy
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Title: Re: Remastered Stones update Post by Some Guy on Jun 3rd, 2009 at 2:29pm Saint Sway wrote on Jun 3rd, 2009 at 11:58am:
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Title: Re: Remastered Stones update Post by StonesFanatic on Jun 5th, 2009 at 10:14am Saint Sway wrote on Jun 3rd, 2009 at 11:58am:
:wtf3 :wtf1 :wtf2 |
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Title: Re: Remastered Stones update Post by Gazza on Jan 2nd, 2010 at 1:07pm
Another bit of info on the Exile reissue. Content is still unconfirmed, but at least now we have a release date plus verification of the titles of three of the previously unreleased songs - none of which have ever circulated, and two of which have never even been rumoured.
From the new issue of 'Uncut' (February 2010) in their 'Incoming' feature on upcoming new releases : The long-awaited remastering of The Rolling Stones' 1972 masterpiece Exile On Main Street will be released on April 12, including three previously unreleased songs from the Exile sessions, "Following The River", "Plunder My Soul" and "Sophia Loren" April 12 is (I think) the 39th anniversary of the original release date. 'Sophia Loren' is the only one of those three songs whose title is known to collectors - although no version of it has ever been bootlegged. No word yet on what else is to be included in the reissue, or whether or not there's more than 3 unreleased songs (No doubt there'll be several alternate versions of the released songs as well and a DVD documentary is strongly rumoured too) |
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Title: Re: 'EOMS' 2010 Post by left shoe shuffle on Jan 2nd, 2010 at 2:35pm Thanks for posting, G. A remastered version on one disc, with the three unreleased songs and Don Was tweaked out-takes on the other? And when/if they tour in 2010, might this be what they'll be supporting, not a new album? Personally, if it means a healthy dollop of 'Exile' every night, I'm all over that... |
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Title: Re: Remastered Stones update Post by Pdog on Jan 2nd, 2010 at 2:52pm Gazza wrote on Jan 2nd, 2010 at 1:07pm:
I know I have my wish list... the single mix versions and would love to see Gimme Lil Drink (early lovin' cup) make it... although, that was recorded when Klein still owned them... so who knows if it is possible or not... I didn't even know there were those 3 other songs, new to me for sure... wouldn't it be 38th anniversiary? |
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Title: Re: Remastered Stones update Post by Gazza on Jan 2nd, 2010 at 2:55pm
I'm not sure it actually suggests these will be the only unreleased songs. It's a bit vague. There may be more, but I'm not sure how many finished songs there were. Exile, as you know, derives from a bit of a hotch-potch of recordings going back over a couple of years and not that much of it was actually recorded at Nellcote, with details of what WAS cut there being pretty sketchy.
A good thing though is that there are at least three songs which have never been bootlegged before in any form, and two of them which have never even been rumoured to exist. The latter must surely be a good sign that there's other finished material in their vaults which we're unaware of. My own guess - and its no more than a guess - is that disc 1 will be the remaster of the original 18-track album. In the same style as the other Universal remasters, they wont add on unreleased songs as 'filler' on that disc. I think they'll then devote a separate disc to unreleased material - some unreleased songs, but mostly alternate versions of the songs which made the album, and that a third disc will be a DVD. A documentary DVD has already been strongly rumoured, but we can surely hope for a fourth disc consisting of something like the long awaited DVD release of 'Ladies and Gentlemen'. I seriously doubt that they'll see this release as their excuse to tour. Its not even an album that Jagger is that fond of, it didnt sell that well and its not choc-full of hits - not exactly a good indication that they'd be likely to play large chunks of it for the corporate tourists that they're aiming for these days. Oh, I also read yesterday in a list of upcoming book releases for 2010 that Keith's autobiography - which the newspaper said was called "My Life - Keith Richards" (a bland title if ever I heard one and one which I assume is a working title) is scheduled to be released in October 2010. Presumably timed to coincide with the tour and to be in the shops in time for Christmas. |
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Title: Re: 'EOMS' 2010 Post by left shoe shuffle on Jan 2nd, 2010 at 2:57pm Pdog wrote on Jan 2nd, 2010 at 2:52pm:
Are you thinking of the "drunk" version of 'Loving Cup' from Mickboy's 'Main St. Revisited'? Killer... |
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Title: Re: Remastered Stones update Post by Gazza on Jan 2nd, 2010 at 3:01pm Pdog wrote on Jan 2nd, 2010 at 2:52pm:
Yes! I meant to correct that. Thanks. There's a good interview with Jody Klein by Dean Goodman in the latest issue of IORR magazine about the Ya-Ya's reissue. It would appear that co operation between ABKCO and the Stones has been quite good in recent years. I dont really think it'd be a problem. |
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Title: Re: Remastered Stones update Post by gimmekeef on Jan 2nd, 2010 at 3:02pm
Great news to start the year guys. I for one only hope at least one of the unrealesed is worthy of live play. Hopefully theres more than 3 too
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Title: Re: 'EOMS' 2010 Post by left shoe shuffle on Jan 2nd, 2010 at 3:17pm Gazza wrote on Jan 2nd, 2010 at 2:55pm:
Well, the release date does dovetail with the rumored start of the tour. Speaking as a non-tourist, I'd be happy if the set includes more songs from their putative career peak, rather than stuff from a new album that they'll eventually distance themselves from, à la ABB. |
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Title: Re: Remastered Stones update Post by Gazza on Jan 2nd, 2010 at 3:32pm
April?
They wont be on tour that early. Ronnie isnt scheduled to wake up from his new years eve stupor until about June. |
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Title: Re: Remastered Stones update Post by Boomy on Jan 2nd, 2010 at 3:34pm
On a serious note, when can we expect the remastered remasters to be remastered again?
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Title: Re: 'EOMS' 2010 Post by left shoe shuffle on Jan 2nd, 2010 at 3:34pm Gazza wrote on Jan 2nd, 2010 at 3:32pm:
Coachella is rumored for April. 'Course it is just a rumor. If Ronnie's not careful he might sleep through the press conference introducing his replacement... |
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Title: Re: 'EOMS' 2010 Post by Pdog on Jan 3rd, 2010 at 8:54am left shoe shuffle wrote on Jan 2nd, 2010 at 2:57pm:
Yes sir... you're correct. God how effin' exciting. I have so many bootlegs and so much Exile era stuff... I've listened to so much, I forget what I have... Is Get A Line On You officially released? Wasn't it on a Leon Russel album? |
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Title: Re: Remastered Stones update Post by Pdog on Jan 3rd, 2010 at 8:56am Boomy wrote on Jan 2nd, 2010 at 3:34pm:
As much as I sense sarcasm... I have a feeling if Exile does well, they will consider deluxe versions of other records, especially the popular ones like Some Girls, and Sticky Fingers... We shall see... Fingers crossed. |
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Title: Re: 'EOMS' 2010 Post by Pdog on Jan 3rd, 2010 at 8:57am left shoe shuffle wrote on Jan 2nd, 2010 at 3:17pm:
Really depends on if they get together write and record... they can phone it in many ways and still make a butt load of cash. |
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Title: Re: Remastered Stones update Post by left shoe shuffle on Jan 3rd, 2010 at 9:29am Touring is where they make their money. Supporting a new album might not be a prerequisite this time. |
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Title: Re: Remastered Stones update Post by Gazza on Jan 3rd, 2010 at 12:19pm gimmekeef wrote on Jan 2nd, 2010 at 3:02pm:
I think the article is just highlighting three songs specifically because they've been given that information and its songs that no one outside the Stones camp has ever heard. I'd be disappointed if the only audio material we got was 3 songs to fill out an 80-minute CD, but I really don't think that this project was delayed for months just so Mick and Keith could go through a lot of old tapes and give Don Was a paltry three songs to mix. I would imagine that most of what is made available would be alternate versions of some of the 18 songs we already have. To get at least three songs that have never been circulated before in any form - two of which have never even been known to exist - is quite remarkable I think. Also a good sign for future archive releases that there appear to be more completed songs in the vaults that Stones historians have never even heard of. I don't imagine there were a lot of songs finished for Exile that weren't released. After all, the Stones were putting out an album every year or so at this point, and this one was an 18-track double album which came out only a year after their previous release. As well as that, the album was assembled from a collection of new songs cut at Nellcote plus songs originally written and recorded during sessions for Let it Bleed and Sticky Fingers in 1969-70. |
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Title: Re: Remastered Stones update Post by Gazza on Jan 3rd, 2010 at 2:43pm
He hasn't chipped in on this thread so far, so I'll do it for him.
UrbanSteel mentioned on IORR that in the last few days Promotone (ie, The Rolling Stones) have contacted him demanding he remove all the footage from the movie 'Ladies & Gentlemen, The Rolling Stones' which he has uploaded to Youtube. He has something like 950 other Stones clips on Youtube, yet this was the only material they have asked him to remove. Make of that what you will. :keithpunky |
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Title: Re: Remastered Stones update Post by Edith Grove on Jan 3rd, 2010 at 2:46pm Gazza wrote on Jan 3rd, 2010 at 2:43pm:
:smilebrian :perverted :thatwassmart :areyoufuckingserious :wow :smilestu |
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Title: Re: Remastered Stones update Post by Some Guy on Jan 3rd, 2010 at 3:31pm Gazza wrote on Jan 2nd, 2010 at 1:07pm:
bomb fucking shell! |
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Title: Re: Remastered Stones update Post by gotdablouse on Jan 3rd, 2010 at 8:11pm Quote:
Wow, that's quite some news...I did remember "Sophia Loren" from Karnbach's book from 1997 so I went to dig it out... ...and found two other songs listed : 'Fragile" - "I'm not signifying". Looking at my very own http://stones.servebeer.com/Trax/1970.htm compilation I didn't find anything else. It can't be ruled out that these two "unknown songs" got new and sexier titles for the release, maybe their lyrics will be some kind of indication. I find it a bit odd that Karnbach would have missed two full songs since he was apparently given access to the session logs and possibly tapes but the fact he never once gave any info on unbootlegged songs indicates he didn't or that he was "told" not to... In any case, let's hope it's not another case of "Extreme Western Grip" and "Well Well" from the supposedly (according to Keith) terrific 2002 sessions in Paris (Suresnes actually). |
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Title: Re: Remastered Stones update Post by andrews27 on Jan 3rd, 2010 at 8:39pm
I'm going to remaster my chequebook instead.
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Title: Re: Remastered Stones update Post by Pdog on Jan 3rd, 2010 at 9:01pm gotdablouse wrote on Jan 3rd, 2010 at 8:11pm:
I've never heard Fragile, but i have head I ain't signifying.... |
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Title: Re: Remastered Stones update Post by corgi37 on Jan 4th, 2010 at 1:55am
This is great news. It would be a crime not to include "Good time women" which i love. Hell, it could be a single! Non-fans could go "I've heard that some where before, but i cant put my finger on it'.
lol I also have a very, very long version of Tumbling Dice somewhere. It goes for 18 minutes or something. I have always doubted about the so-called amount of unheard of tracks. But maybe, just maybe, there is a bit of truth to it. |
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Title: Re: Remastered Stones update Post by gotdablouse on Jan 4th, 2010 at 2:05am
An 18 minute "Tumbling Dice" ? An extended 1972 Montreux jam ?
"I ain't signifying" has sometimes been listed as "Ain't Gonna Lie", Karnbach lists them both. |
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Title: Re: Remastered Stones update Post by Gazza on Jan 4th, 2010 at 10:09am gotdablouse wrote on Jan 3rd, 2010 at 8:11pm:
Depends when you consider the 'Exile' sessions to have started. Very little of 'Sticky Fingers' (released April 1971) was started after July 1970 when the band broke for a few weeks before the European Tour. The final sessions in October of that year were mostly overdubs with the exception of Moonlight Mile and Sway. By that stage a lot of the songs that ended up on Exile 18 months later had begun to be worked on. I've always considered 'Travellin' Man' an Exile outtake, even though it probably dates from October 1970. It was certainly recorded AFTER Good Time Women. From nzentgraf.de 1970 March - May: London, Olympic Sound Studios & Newbury, Stargroves (MJ’s house) with Mobile Record Unit. Producer: Jimmy Miller. Sound engineers: Glyn Johns, Andy Johns, Chris Kimsey (and Jimmy Miller for Cocksucker Blues). - As Now (MJ/KR) -unverified - Cocksucker Blues (MJ/KR) -MJ (voc & gtr) only - Dancing In The Light (MJ/KR) -Nicky Hopkins on piano; instrumental - I Got The Blues (MJ/KR) -Billy Preston on organ, Bobby Keys on sax, Jim Price on trumpet; Sticky Fingers-version - Rock It (MJ/KR) –unverified - Travelling Tiger (MJ/KR) -unverified - Tumbling Dice I (MJ/KR) -unverified early version, under title Good Time Woman - Who Am I? I (MJ/KR) -unverified early version - You Gotta Move IV (Fred McDowell/Rev. Gary Davis) -Sticky Fingers-version Note: I Got The Blues was probably begun at Redlands with the MRU. 16th June - 27th July: London, Olympic Sound Studios. Producer: Jimmy Miller. Sound engineers: Glyn Johns, Andy Johns, (Chris Kimsey for Andy Johns on the 22nd July). - Aladdin Stomp (MJ/KR) -unverified (20th July) - All Down The Line II (MJ/KR) -first unverified electric version (14th - 15th July & 23rd July) - Candlewick Bedspread (MJ/KR) -unverified (30th June) - Can't You Hear Me Knocking (MJ/KR) -Billy Preston on organ, Bobby Keys on sax, Jimmy Miller on percussion, Rocky Dijon on congas; Sticky Fingers-version - Hey Mama (MJ/KR) -unverified - I'm Going Down IV (MJ/KR) - Bobby Keys on sax, Rocky Dijon on percussion, Stephen Stills on guitar, Bill Plummer on upright bass; Metamorphosis-version (14th -15th July) - Leather Jacket (MT) -instrumental (22nd June) - Shake Your Hips I (James Moore) -unverified early version (27th July) - Shine A Light II (MJ/KR) -Billy Preston on piano and organ; early version (23rd July) - Stop Breaking Down I (Robert Johnson) -STU on piano; unverified early version (16th June) - Sweet Virginia I (MJ/KR) -STU on piano, unverified early version without sax (30th June & 20th July) - Who Am I? II (MJ/KR) (14th -15th July) Note: Stop Breaking Down and Sweet Virginia were probably begun in June 1969. 17th October - 31st October: Newbury, Stargroves (MJ’s house) with Mobile Record Unit and London, Olympic Sound Studios. Producer: Jimmy Miller. Sound engineer: Glyn Johns. - Aladdin Story II (MJ/KR) -Bobby Keys on sax, Nicky Hopkins on organ; instrumental - All Down The Line III (MJ/KR) -second, unverified acoustic version - Bitch I (MJ/KR) -Bobby Keys on sax, Jim Price on trumpet, Jimmy Miller on percussion; different mix of III, with audible ad-lib vocals of Jagger during KR's solo - Bitch II (MJ/KR) -Bobby Keys on sax, Jim Price on trumpet, Jimmy Miller on percussion; Sticky Fingers-version - Hide Your Love I (MJ/KR) -unverified early version - Moonlight Mile (MJ/KR) -Jim Price on piano, strings arranged by Paul Buckmaster; Sticky Fingers-version - Potted Shrimps (MJ/KR) -Nicky Hopkins on piano; instrumental - Red House (Jimi Hendrix) -unverified - Shake Your Hips II (James Moore) -STU on piano; early version - Silver Train I (MJ/KR) -early version with slightly longer finish - Stop Breaking Down II (Robert Johnson) -STU on piano; early (rough) take - Sway I (MJ/KR) - Nicky Hopkins on piano, strings arranged by Paul Buckmaster; flipside of US Wild Horses-single - Sway II (MJ/KR) -Nicky Hopkins on piano, strings arranged by Paul Buckmaster; Sticky Fingers-version - Sweet Black Angel I (MJ/KR) -instrumental, under title Bent Green Needles; unverified - Sweet Virginia II (MJ/KR) -STU on piano, Bobby Keys on sax; early version without backing vocals - Travelling Man (MJ/KR) -Nicky Hopkins on piano - Tumbling Dice II (MJ/KR) -STU on piano; with different lyrics, under title Good Time Woman Note: Nicky Hopkins did his piano overdub on Sway not before early (probably February) 1971! 1971 10th July - late July and 14th October - 23rd November: Villefranche-sur-mer, France, Villa Nellcote, basement of KR's house. Producer: Jimmy Miller. Sound engineers: Glyn Johns and Andy Johns. Incl. - Casino Boogie (MJ/KR) -Nicky Hopkins on piano, Bobby Keys on sax; Exile On Main St.-version - Fast Talking Slow Walking (MJ/KR) -Nicky Hopkins on piano - Fragile (MJ/KR) -unverified - Happy (MJ/KR) -Jimmy Miller on drums, Bobby Keys on sax and percussion, Nicky Hopkins on piano, Jim Price on trumpet and/or trombone; Exile On Main St.-version - I Ain't Signifying (MJ/KR) - Let It Loose II (MJ/KR) -Nicky Hopkins on piano and mellotron; backing track - Rip This Joint I (MJ/KR) -unverified early version with KR on vocals - Rocks Off (MJ/KR) -Nicky Hopkins on piano, Bobby Keys on sax, Jim Price on trumpet and/or trombone; Exile On Main St.-version - Sophia Loren (MJ/KR) -unverified long, slow rocker with piano and brass - Soul Survivor (MJ/KR) -Nicky Hopkins on piano, Bobby Keys on sax, Jim Price on trumpet and/or trombone; Exile On Main St.-version - Ventilator Blues (MJ/KR/MT) -Nicky Hopkins on piano, Bobby Keys on sax, Jim Price on trumpet and/or trombone; Exile On Main St.-version + more Additional musicians: Nicky Hopkins, Jimmy Miller, Bobby Keys and Jim Price. Note: In July they recorded about 20 new tracks. No mixing or overdubbing was done until the 30th November. The vocal parts for most of the tracks were recorded in Los Angeles. 4th - 19th December: Los Angeles, Sunset Sound Studio. Producer: Jimmy Miller. Sound engineer: Andy Johns. Overdubbing-sessions. Additional musicians: Kathi McDonald, Bill Plummer, Clydie King, Venetta Fields, Jesse Kirkland, Tammi Lynn, Sherlie Matthews, Joe Green, Dr. John, Richard Washington, Al Perkins. - All Down The Line IV (MJ/KR) -Kathi McDonald on backing vocals, Jimmy Miller on percussion, Nicky Hopkins on piano, Bobby Keys on sax, Jim Price on trumpet and/or trombone; early mix - All Down The Line V (MJ/KR) -Kathi McDonald on backing vocals, Jimmy Miller on percussion, Nicky Hopkins on piano, Bobby Keys on sax, Jim Price on trumpet and/or trombone; version of US single B-side - All Down The Line VI (MJ/KR) -Kathi McDonald on backing vocals, Jimmy Miller on percussion, Nicky Hopkins on piano, Bobby Keys on sax, Jim Price on trumpet and/or trombone; Exile On Main St.-version - I Just Want To See His Face (MJ/KR) - Jimmy Miller on percussion, Bill Plummer on bass, Clydie King, Venetta Fields and Jesse Kirkland on backing vocals; Exile On Main St.-version - Let It Loose III (MJ/KR)-Tammi Lynn, Sherlie Matthews, Venetta Fields, Joe Green, Clydie King and Dr. John on backing vocals, Nicky Hopkins on piano and mellotron; Exile On Main St.-version - Loving Cup II (MJ/KR) -Nicky Hopkins on piano; early mix of final version with different vocals and longer in duration - Loving Cup III (MJ/KR) -Jimmy Miller on percussion, Nicky Hopkins on piano, Bobby Keys on sax, Jim Price on trumpet and/or trombone, Gram Parsons on backing vocals; Exile On Main St.-version - Rip This Joint II (MJ/KR) -Bill Plummer on upright bass, Nicky Hopkins on piano, Bobby Keys on sax, Jim Price on trumpet and/or trombone; Exile On Main St.-version - Shake Your Hips III (James Moore) -Ian Stewart on piano, Bobby Keys on sax; Exile On Main St.-version - Shine A Light III (MJ/KR) -Billy Preston on organ and piano, Jimmy Miller on drums, Venetta Fields, Clydie King, Jesse Kirkland and Joe Green on backing vocals; Exile On Main St.-version - Stop Breaking Down III (Robert Johnson) -Ian Stewart on piano; Exile On Main St.-version - Sweet Black Angel II (MJ/KR) -Amyl Nitrate (=Richard 'Didymus' Washington) on marimbas and Jimmy Miller on percussion; backing track - Sweet Black Angel III (MJ/KR) -Amyl Nitrate (=Richard 'Didymus' Washington) on marimbas and Jimmy Miller on percussion; Exile On Main St.-version - Sweet Virginia III (MJ/KR) -Ian Stewart on piano, Bobby Keys on sax, "friends" (incl. Gram Parsons) on backing vocals; Exile On Main St.-version - Torn And Frayed (MJ/KR) -Al Perkins on steel guitar, Jim Price on organ, Nicky Hopkins on piano; Exile On Main St.-version - Tumbling Dice III (MJ/KR) -Clydie King, Venetta Fields & Sherlie Matthews on backing vocals, Nicky Hopkins on piano, Bobby Keys on sax, Jim Price on trumpet and/or trombone, Jimmy Miller partly on drums; Exile On Main St.-version - Turd On The Run (MJ/KR) -Bill Plummer on uprite bass, Nicky Hopkins on piano; Exile On Main St.-version Note: The basic tracks of these songs were recorded in Villefranche, France in Summer or even earlier at sessions in London, Olympic Sound Studios (see entries from 1969 onwards). 1972 10th January - late January: Los Angeles, Sunset Sound Studios. Producer: Jimmy Miller. Sound engineer: Joe Zagarino. Mixing and recording of overdubs for the upcoming album Exile On Main St.. 15th February - March: Los Angeles, Sunset Sound Studios. Producer: Jimmy Miller. Sound engineer: Andy Johns. Mixing and overdubbing for the upcoming album Exile On Main St.. 24th - 25th March: Los Angeles, Wally Heider Studios. Producer: Jimmy Miller. Sound engineer: Andy Johns. Final mixing for the upcoming album Exile On Main St. 28th March: Los Angeles, Sunset Sound Studios. Producer: Jimmy Miller. Sound engineer: Andy Johns. - Exile On Main St. Blues (MJ/KR) -flexisingle-version - I Don't Care (MJ/KR) -MJ on piano and vocals only Note: MJ is probably the only Stone who was present at this session. |
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Title: Re: Remastered Stones update Post by Teiz on Jan 4th, 2010 at 10:24am
If all goes well the Exile-reissue will be the event of the year for me. Having said that: how can the perfect album sound even better?
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Title: Re: Remastered Stones update Post by gotdablouse on Jan 4th, 2010 at 10:44am
@gazza - good point that period was very creative and they often say they don't know wha ended on what between LIB, SF and Exile, well especially Mick who's known not to think mch of Exile...
Had missed this on Nico's site : "Sophia Loren (MJ/KR) -unverified long, slow rocker with piano and brass" Looks like it leakew to the "stone collectors royalty" like Gangster's Maul in 1998, because no one apart from Karnbach had ever mentionned it AFAIK and he gave no details. |
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Title: Re: Remastered Stones update Post by Teiz on Jan 4th, 2010 at 11:06am
I've never believed Mick's statements on Exile. And Rembrandt denounced his masterpiece too so he's in good company.
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Title: Re: Remastered Stones update Post by gimmekeef on Jan 4th, 2010 at 11:24am Teiz wrote on Jan 4th, 2010 at 10:24am:
I'm just worried they might bring Chuck in to "Leavall" all over Sophia Laren! |
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Title: Exile reissue Post by texile on Jan 7th, 2010 at 9:02pm
I'm sure this has been discussed here, but i'd assumed the "unreleased tracks" were just the shit we've already heard on boots...
but with names like "Plunder my Soul", Following the River" and especially, "Sophia Loren", my heart is just all a-flutter.... Could this be a major event in Stonesdom or just another crumb? Just when you think nothing could be new, Jagger pulls something out of his ass.... |
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Title: Re: Exile reissue Post by Gazza on Jan 8th, 2010 at 6:43am texile wrote on Jan 7th, 2010 at 9:02pm:
The songs recorded for Exile stretched back over multiple sessions covering a period of a couple of years, Texile. I think it would be a bit pessimistic to just assume that all we'd get was a sonically improved version of the same 90 minutes or so of music that's circulated on various bootlegs. Every major act who has released studio archive releases down the years has managed to put out plenty of material that hadn't been bootlegged and in many cases didn't even know existed. Have to say I didn't expect any new/previously unheard of TITLES to be unearthed. And the nme.com story the other today regarding the 2010 tour mentions 'a host of unreleased songs' including the three which have been specifically named. Whether that means more actual outtakes or merely alternate versions of released tracks is conjecture at the minute. Probably the latter, but I'm hopeful there'll be several alternate takes which we haven't heard before. 'Travellin' Man' with a finished vocal take would be something to hear. |
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Title: Re: Remastered Stones update Post by Gazza on Jan 8th, 2010 at 6:59am gotdablouse wrote on Jan 4th, 2010 at 10:44am:
On Nico's site, 'unverified' can mean either its existence is speculative or that it exists but has never circulated. The existence of that track has been known now for 30 years or more. It's just never circulated. I'm pretty sure its mentioned in the studio chronology part of David Dalton's "The First Twenty Years" book. Karnbach may have mentioned it based on seeing studio logs, but that doesnt necessarily mean he heard it. |
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Title: Re: Remastered Stones update Post by gotdablouse on Jan 8th, 2010 at 1:32pm
Wasn't aware of that title, don't think it's in ME's books either (will check) although now that you mention it I wonder if it wasn't listed in that fake bootleg in Hot Wacks, or was it "Something Brigitte Bardot", might be confusing the actresses!
What puzzles me is the "slow rocker with piano and brass" description - that means someone must have heard it, or an insider (Wyman ?) gave some info in an interview. I for one have never seen that hinted elsewhere. |
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Title: Re: Remastered Stones update Post by texile on Jan 11th, 2010 at 3:39pm Teiz wrote on Jan 4th, 2010 at 11:06am:
Thanks for the info Gazza....i'm actually excited about this news.... and Teiz,, i agree that Jagger doth protest too much about Exile - In response to a general consensus, Jagger will always play devil's advocate... |
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Title: Re: Remastered Stones update Post by Gazza on Jan 11th, 2010 at 4:28pm gotdablouse wrote on Jan 8th, 2010 at 1:32pm:
"Something Brigitte Bardot" (aka 'Something BB') dates from the sessions at RCA Studios, Hollywood in August 1966. It's a 'Between The Buttons' outtake. Never circulated, but it's existence has been known for some time. Again, I first saw it mentioned in the sessionography listed in David Dalton's 1982 book "The First Twenty Years". |
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Title: Re: Remastered Stones update Post by texile on Jan 11th, 2010 at 4:57pm
I am slightly disturbed about Don Was' involvement....
Why? |
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Title: Re: Remastered Stones update Post by Pdog on Jan 11th, 2010 at 5:12pm texile wrote on Jan 11th, 2010 at 4:57pm:
He will do what they tell him to do, and he doesn't say no to a paycheck from The Stones... Would you? |
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Title: Re: Remastered Stones update Post by Teiz on Jan 12th, 2010 at 5:49am
I'm not to happy about Don Was either. IMO he proved himself unworthy of producing a Stones album with ABB. A good producer would've talked the boys out of a lame record like that. But I guess it's hard to stand up to Mick and/or Keef. Rubin could do it..
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Title: Re: Remastered Stones update Post by gotdablouse on Jan 12th, 2010 at 5:56am
And it produced the best Stones related record this side of...Tattoo You ? And if you go back to a "real" album, Exile ? B2B was pretty good too, but Was didn't produce much on there. Some will say the buck stops at Mick and Keith and if the songs are not that good the producer can't do much about it...other than rejecting them (like Goodrich did for Macca's Chaos), but he certainly could have given them better input on the production and the playing. Since Keith is pretty much "out of commission", it's obvious ABB needed a more competent guitar player than Mick. Waddy Wachtel's presence on B2B certainly helped a lot.
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Title: Re: Remastered Stones update Post by texile on Jan 12th, 2010 at 5:43pm
Was is just so inneffective.
He doesn't challenge them... and at this point in their career - seemingly no inspiration and no hunger etc - they need someone to push a little. He may as well be Matt Clifford..... For the life of me, how did Was get the job? the dinosaur song? I know he was a 'producer' and he pops up all the time on music docs, but i fail to see what he has to offer that could justify such a long association with the Stones... |
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Title: Re: Remastered Stones update Post by Gazza on Jan 12th, 2010 at 6:36pm Teiz wrote on Jan 12th, 2010 at 5:49am:
He could, but after telling Mick stuff he didnt want to hear during the 'Wandering Spirit' sessions, he'll never get the chance to. |
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Title: Re: Remastered Stones update Post by gotdablouse on Jan 12th, 2010 at 6:47pm
You'd think that Mick would be happy that he helped him produce hist best album this side of the "magic 4"...I remember reading that Ahmet Ertegun had told Mick to go back to work on WS a couple of time too (it came out on Atlantic). Maybe it's the Ahmet+Rubin coalition that got the better of Mick !
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Title: Re: Remastered Stones update Post by Gazza on Jan 12th, 2010 at 7:49pm
well, its a two-way thing. The Stones probably dont want to work with Rubin because neither Mick or Keith could deal with his 'pushy' style - and he probably wouldnt be in a hurry to produce them either.
He's on record as saying that the experience of producing Jagger wasn't particularly positive because Mick is so used to being surrounded by psychophants who tell him his shit doesn't stink that he found it hard to believe a producer would have the balls to say to him "I think you're capable of better than this.." |
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Title: Re: Remastered Stones update Post by Gazza on Jan 12th, 2010 at 7:51pm texile wrote on Jan 11th, 2010 at 4:57pm:
Was' involvement in the Exile reissue is, as far as I know, merely confined to mixing the unreleased material. I doubt it'll matter that much to be honest. |
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Title: Re: Remastered Stones update Post by texile on Jan 12th, 2010 at 9:40pm
[quote author=Gazza link
Was' involvement in the Exile reissue is, as far as I know, merely confined to mixing the unreleased material. I doubt it'll matter that much to be honest. [/quote] I'm hearing classic Stones 72 filtered through Dirty Work gloss.... It still troubles me Gazza.. |
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Title: Re: Remastered Stones update Post by texile on Jan 12th, 2010 at 9:44pm gotdablouse wrote on Jan 12th, 2010 at 6:47pm:
No shit... Mick has to know WS is his best work since TY. Artists are supposed to like to be challenged.. You would think that his ego would at least recognize that. The Stones need someone to remind them of who they are/were and demand they measure up... |
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Title: Re: Remastered Stones update Post by corgi37 on Jan 13th, 2010 at 6:19am
No they dont. If they thought that, we'd have had more than 2 cd's in nigh on 13 years!
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Title: Re: Remastered Stones update Post by Mr. Sex Drugs Rock n Roll on Jan 14th, 2010 at 12:02pm
Has anyone heard the remastered Voodoo Lounge disc, I wonder if it sounds any better than the 15 year old version I have, which sounds a tad "tinny" to me
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Title: Re: Remastered Stones update Post by Paranoid Android on Jan 19th, 2010 at 2:13pm
Just received in the mail today the 2009 version of Emotional Rescue...sounds GREAT!!! Got Undercover/Black and Blue a few weeks ago and they sound great too!!!
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Title: Re: Remastered Stones update Post by Teiz on Jan 19th, 2010 at 5:58pm Quote:
Yeah I read about that. Rubin made some remarks about Mick being surrounded by ass-kissers instead of folks who want to make a great album in Uncut a few years back. A pity. But Mick can't be tone deaf right? I mean: Wandering Spirit just sounds better than most of the other recent stuff. And it ages well: the album still sounds fresh. |
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Title: Re: Remastered Stones update Post by Gazza on Jan 19th, 2010 at 6:13pm
Mick's certainly not tone deaf (even if he thinks Exile is overrated), but he's probably more concerned these days at having his ego stroked than he is about going along with some uppity producer's ideas of what makes a good record.
And I shudder to think how Keith would react to Rubin's hands-on style. Probably with knives. |
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Title: Re: Remastered Stones update Post by corgi37 on Jan 20th, 2010 at 3:29am
Or even his trusty 44's.
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Title: Re: Remastered Stones update Post by Teiz on Jan 20th, 2010 at 11:09am
Ego first, quality next..I guess almost 50 years of fame does that to people. A pity though. I'm sure Rick Rubin would be able to help the Stones with some great recordings before the band calls it quits, which is bound to happen somewhere in this decade.
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Title: Re: Remastered Stones update Post by Boomy on Jan 21st, 2010 at 5:48pm
What about the supposed work he did with Jack White? What is that all about?
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Title: Re: Remastered Stones update Post by Gazza on Jan 21st, 2010 at 6:50pm
No one seems to know.
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Title: Re: Remastered Stones update Post by Pdog on Jan 21st, 2010 at 8:08pm
i have the work with jack white involved bending elbows and smoking stuff, not making a record or anything...
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Title: Re: Remastered Stones update Post by Boomy on Jan 21st, 2010 at 8:12pm Pdog wrote on Jan 21st, 2010 at 8:08pm:
:smoking |
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Title: Re: Remastered Stones update Post by Pdog on Jan 21st, 2010 at 8:52pm Boomy wrote on Jan 21st, 2010 at 8:12pm:
i forgot to write, "to think", my sentence sounds like i'm stoned. |
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Title: Re: Remastered Stones update Post by Gazza on Jan 23rd, 2010 at 10:28am
Thanks to Jimmy Phelge on IORR for finding this and to LieB for the Google Translation
Mick Jagger has given a new interview to La Republicca newspaper in Italy, giving more details about the Exile reissue (11 songs!) The original Italian text : Cominciamo da Exile On Main St., che verrà ripubblicato. "Ho mixato 11 brani inediti. Alcuni sono piuttosto interessanti (ride, "risucchiando" la saliva, ndr)". Per esempio Following The River... "Sì, è una ballata al piano". Che parla di un uomo che lascia una donna. "Esatto (ride, ndr)". E Plunder My Soul, in cui una donna lascia un uomo. Anche qui c'è il piano, ma è più rock. "Diciamo che è più una commedia...". Poi, Sophia Loren. Come mai questo titolo? "È solo un titolo in lavorazione, non la chiameremo così. Per ora è così solo per attrarre le persone... (ride, ndr)". Come avete scoperto queste tracce? Perché per tanto tempo sono rimaste negli archivi? "Quando la casa discografica mi ha domandato se volevo ripubblicare Exile On Main St., ha chiesto ad alcuni "esperti" dei Rolling Stones di inviarmi tutti i demo a disposizione. Erano dei bootleg. Mentre li sentivo, per la prima volta mi sono detto: "Aspetta un attimo, ma queste cose non provengono dallo stesso periodo (di Exile On Main St., 1972, ndr), no, queste sono state fatte in altro momento, probabilmente alla fine degli anni 70, forse nei primi anni 80...". In pratica te ne eri dimenticato? "No, per niente. Dovevo semplicemente capire con precisione quando fosse stato fatto, perché Exile On Main St., non venne registrato in una sola volta, ma nel giro di tre anni. Così sono dovuto tornare indietro nel tempo con la mente e cercare ulteriori tracce degne di essere pubblicate. Ho ascoltato nastri su nastri". C'è una dichiarazione del tempo in cui affermi che il disco non ti piaceva. Hai detto: "Questo nuovo album è pazzo. Ci sono così tante tracce differenti. È molto rock&roll, ma non volevo una cosa del genere. Sono la persona più sperimentale del gruppo, non mi piace fare e rifare sempre la stessa cosa". "Robaccia. Non è vero". D'accordo, ma cosa ne pensi oggi? "La cosa buona di quel disco è che è interessante se visto come opera intera, nella sua integrità (è l'unico album doppio dei Rolling Stones, ndr). La sua caratteristica principale è che non possiede molti brani "accessibili". L'unico brano che ha avuto successo è Tumbling Dice, ma per il resto non ci sono stati così tanti brani orecchiabili come in Some Girls (1978, ndr). Le altre canzoni di Exile furono comunque bene accolte ai tempi. È un album molto interessante, con tanti diversi stili musicali, il blues, un po' di country, un po' di rock&roll e un po' di qualcosa che non può essere messo in una categoria. Diciamo che rappresenta bene la buona estensione musicale degi Stones, che è eclettica perché ha avuto influenze eclettiche. Come album, sta insieme piuttosto bene. Quindi, sì, mi piace, anche se non lo ascolto mai". Prima parlavi di "tornare indietro nel tempo". Una volta hai dichiarato che "devi stare attento a non rimanere intrappolato nel passato o rischi di non comprendere più le cose che intorno a te cambiano". Il passato è una trappola per te? "Dico che non dovresti ammirare il tuo passato tanto da impedirti di fare altro. Nessuno naturalmente vuole rimanere intrappolato nel passato, ma a me piace abbastanza scartabellare tra le vecchie cose, riportarle alla luce e vedere com'erano e che cosa ne è rimasto oggi. La verità, per tornare a Exile, è che la casa discografica mi ha così tanto implorato di tirare fuori queste cose che ho ceduto. La mia reazione iniziale è stata: "Non me ne frega davvero niente di questa roba, non voglio cercare niente". Ma loro insistevano: "Oh, per f-a-v-o-r-e-e-e, puoi solo dare una veloce occhiata, siamo certi che qualcosa di buono ci sia..." e così alla fine è stato proprio divertente fare questa ricercare. È stato come rovistare in soffitta, spulciare in un baule di vecchi abiti ed esclamare: "Oh, guarda questo! Un tempo lo indossavo! Non posso crederci!" (lo dice alzando le mani a mezz'aria come se stesse reggendo un vestito immaginario, ndr)". La prima volta che sei salito su un palco avevi 19 anni. Però hai sempre detto di sentirti un cantante. "Mi è sempre piaciuto cantare e ho sempre cantato, però non ho mai pensato di poter fare il cantante. Non un cantante di professione, solo per divertimento. Una cosa da fare durante le vacanze". Non eri sicuro, dentro di te, di poter fare meglio dei cantanti che ammiravi? "Alla fine, sì. Sapevo di poter essere come loro. Anche se i tuoi eroi rimangono sempre degli eroi. Pensi che sia troppo difficile essere come loro, ma alla fine ti rendi conto che non è così". Quali erano i tuoi eroi? "Elvis Presley e Little Richard: quest'ultimo, lo idolatravo. Per me era fantastico. Sono stato molto fortunato perché il primo tour dei Rolling Stones è stato proprio insieme a Little Richard. Lo guardavo ogni sera, da così vicino, così attentamente nei dettagli... Lui era davvero carino nei miei confronti. Gli piaceva l'entusiasmo dei ragazzi giovani. Si curava di me, mi stava dietro, e mi ha dato un sacco di idee. Io lo osservavo interagire con il pubblico, per capire come facesse. Dava tutto quello che poteva al pubblico. Puoi andare davanti alla gente, semplicemente suonare e salutare, perché a volte i performer sono piuttosto timidi; oppure interagire con loro e portarli all'eccitazione. Io ho imparato così, guardando lui e James Brown. Ecco: eccitare il pubblico: questa è la cosa più bella dell'esibirsi". È difficile pensare a te come a un performer timido, anche semplicemente agli esordi. "I Rolling Stones erano così ingenui agli inizi. Ma timido, no, io non lo sono mai stato". Ci avrei scommesso. "Lo so (ride, ndr)". Quando uscì Aftermath (1966, ndr) stava iniziando la stagione dei figli dei fiori. Ma quel disco era piuttosto duro: c'erano canzoni come Stupid Girl e Under My Thumb che stridevano con il sogno di pace e amore. "Ricordo solo che è stato interamente registrato a Los Angeles, nel '65. Lo considero un retaggio dell'ingenuità dei primi anni 60". I temi però non sembravano così ingenui. Siete anche stati criticati per i contenuti di quel disco. "Non così tanto...". Cantavi di "ragazze sciocche". Le femministe non ti hanno attaccato? "Così, così. A quei tempi il movimento femminista era ancora debole. Se l'avessimo fatto dieci anni dopo sarebbe stato peggio". Il movimento hippie ha significato qualcosa per te? "Ho sempre pensato che fosse una grande stronzata. Certo, c'erano delle cose interessanti nel movimento hippie, ma se volessimo essere critici potremmo dire che si è trattato solo di una sciocca tendenza e che non ha significato nulla. Se invece volessimo guardare al movimento hippie all'interno del suo contesto storico, diremmo che è stato uno sforzo per cambiare le regole di una società vecchia. Per esempio, in Inghilterra ci sono molte persone che vivono così, che scelgono uno stile di vita "alternativo", che ormai è stato accettato dallo stile di vita mainstream. Hanno i loro festival, solitamente associati alle credenze pagane della Gran Bretagna, e sono un sottogruppo della società. Gli hippie esistono ancora, vanno a Glastonbury e vivono per un po' come hippie. Ma non è il mio stile, no?". È vero che poco prima di formare i Rolling Stones facevi il gelato? "Non lo facevo, lo vendevo solo. Ed era pure di cattivissima qualità! Era un lavoro estivo. Ho sempre e solo fatto dei lavoretti, non ho mai avuto un lavoro vero e proprio (ride, ndr)". Sei molto fortunato. (Ridacchia, ndr) Avevo letto una notizia che diceva che volevi acquistare un camioncino ambulante di gelato. "Oh, no, non credo proprio. Però, hai rastrellato per bene in Internet sul mio conto! (ride, ndr)". A volte è divertente. Stavi armeggiando con due cellulari prima. Non sei una persona tecnologica? "Credo che per come sia il business della musica oggi, sia necessario esserlo. Io comunque lo sono sempre stato. Per esempio, nello studio di registrazione ci sono dei macchinari enormi e complessi e mi piace lavorarci...". Parlo della tecnologia utile per l'informazione. Computer, @#$%&, che ne so, cercare con Google il proprio nome su Internet... "Non cerco il mio nome su Google (detto con voce molto seria, ndr). Questa è una cosa davvero tremenda da fare. Non cercare mai il tuo nome su Google! Conosco alcuni attori che lo fanno, ma non è una buona idea". Perché? "Un mio amico attore comincia ogni giornata cercando il proprio nome su Google. Poi, rimane sconvolto per parecchie ore, perché trova cose orribili sul proprio conto. Specialmente ora che su certe persone molto è stato detto o scritto, poi, ne saltano fuori tra le più assurde; e c'è tanta gente che scrive su argomenti di cui non sa nulla. Non si deve fare. Mai cercare il proprio nome su Google". Da quando Keith è caduto dalla famosa pianta di cocco... "Sììì (voce contrita, ndr)". ... ha cominciato a parlare della morte in modo più rilassato. Hai mai avuto qualche esperienza vicina alla morte? "No. Non sono nemmeno mai caduto dalla dispensa (ride, ndr)". Ne hai paura? "Credo che tutti ne abbiano". In Sway (edito in Italia da Einaudi, ndr), il romanzo bestseller sui Rolling Stones "satanici", ci sono dei dialoghi tremendi tra di voi. Cosa ne pensi? "Ho letto una recensione che ne parlava male, così ho lasciato perdere. Dio, che libri imbarazzanti! Ma sai qual è la cosa più ridicola? Che sicuramente le nostre reali conversazioni sono molto più tremende di quelle inventate lì! (ride, ndr)". Google translation We start from Exile On Main St., which will be republished. "I have mixed 11 unreleased tracks. Some are quite interesting (laughs, sucks the saliva, ndr)". For example Following The River ... "Yes, it's a piano ballad. What about a man leaving a woman. "Yeah (laughs)." And Plunder My Soul, in which a woman leaves a man. Also here is the plan, but more rock. "We say that it is more a comedy ...". Then, Sophia Loren. Why this title? "It's just a working title, do not call it that. For now it is so only to attract people ... (laughs)." How did you discover these traces? Because for so long remained in the archives? "When the record company asked me if I wanted to republish Exile On Main St., asked some" experts "by the Rolling Stones to send all demos available. They were bootlegs. While listening to them for the first time I said "Wait a minute, but these things do not come from the same period (Exile On Main St., 1972, note), no, these were taken to another place, probably in the late 70s, maybe early 80s. .. ". In practice you forgot you had it? "No, not at all. I had to understand just exactly when it was done, for Exile On Main St., was not recorded at once, but within three years. So I had to go back in time with the mind and seek additional tracks worthy of being published. I listened to tapes on tape. " There is a statement of the time stating that the disk you did not like. You said: "This new album is crazy. There are so many different tracks. It's very rock & roll, but I did not mean a thing. I am the person most experimental of the group, I do not like to do and redo the same thing." "Crap. It is not true." Okay, but how you feel today? "The good thing about this disc is that it's interesting when seen as a whole work in its integrity (the only double album by the Rolling Stones, ed). Its main feature is that it has many tracks" accessible. "L ' only song that has been successful and Tumbling Dice, but otherwise there were so many catchy songs like "Some Girls (1978, ed). The songs of Exile were still well received at the time. It is a very interesting album, with so many different musical styles, blues, a bit 'of country, a little' rock & roll and a little 'something that can not be put into a category. Let's say that represents well the good extension degi Stones music that is eclectic because had eclectic influences. as an album, is set pretty well. So, yes, I like it, although I do not ever listen. " Before I spoke of "going back in time." You once said that "you must be careful not to remain trapped in the past or is likely to understand, the things around you change." The past is a trap for you? "I say that you should have seen your past stop you from doing so much more. Nobody wants to be trapped naturally in the past, but I quite like flipping between the old things, return them to the light and see how and what is left today . The truth, to return to Exile, is that the record has so much begged me to pull out of these things that I gave. My initial reaction was: "I do not really care about any of this stuff, I will not try anything . But they insisted: "Oh, favoreee, you can only give a quick glance, we are confident that there is something good ..." and so in the end it was really fun doing this research. It was like rummaging in the attic, groom in a trunk of old clothes and exclaim, "Oh, look at this! Once I wore it! I can not believe it! "(He says, raising his hands in the air as if holding an imaginary dress, ndr)". The first time you went on stage she was 19. But you always said to hear a singer. "I've always liked singing and I always sang, but I never thought you could be a singer. Not a professional singer, just for fun. One thing to do during the holidays." You were safe inside you can do better than the singers that you admire? "Eventually, yes. I knew I could be like them. Even if your heroes are always heroes. Think it's too hard to be like them, but eventually you realize that it is not so." What were your heroes? "Elvis Presley and Little Richard: the latter, idolized him. For me it was fantastic. I was very lucky because the first tour by the Rolling Stones was precisely with Little Richard. I watched him every night, so closely, so closely in details ... He was really nice to me. He liked the enthusiasm of young boys. He cared about me, behind me and gave me lots of ideas. I watched him interact with the public, to understand how do. He gave everything he could to the public. You can go in front of people, just play and healthy, because sometimes the performers are quite timid, or interact with them and bring them to the excitement. I learned so, looking at him and James Brown . Behold excite the public: this is the best thing ESIB. It's hard to think of yourself as a shy performer, even just in its infancy. "The Rolling Stones were so naive at the beginning. But shy, no, I have never been." I would bet. "I know (laughs)." When he came out Aftermath (1966, ndr) was starting the season of flower children. But that record was pretty tough: there were songs like "Stupid Girl" and "Under My Thumb" that conflict with the dream of peace and love. "I remember only that it was entirely filmed in Los Angeles in '65. I consider it a legacy of ingenuity of the early 60". The issues do not seem so naive. You also been criticized for the contents of that disk. "Not so much ...". Singing of "foolish boy." Feminists do not have attacked? "So, so. At that time, the feminist movement was still weak. If we had done ten years later would have been worse." The hippie movement meant something to you? "I always thought it was a big shit. Sure, there were some interesting things in the hippie movement, but if we were to be critical, we could say that it was just a silly trend and that did not mean anything. If we were to look at hippie movement within its historical context, we would say that was an effort to change the rules of an old society. For example, in England there are many people who live like this, who choose a lifestyle that is "alternative" which is now was accepted by the mainstream lifestyle. They have their festivals, often associated with pagan beliefs in Great Britain, and are a subset of society. hippies still exist, go to Glastonbury and live for a while 'as a hippie. But it is not my style, no? ". It is true that shortly before forming the Rolling Stones were doing the ice cream? "I did it, sells it alone. And it was also of very bad quality! It was a summer job. I always just did odd jobs, I never had a real job (laughs)." You are very lucky. (Chuckles, ed) I read a news story that said that you wanted to buy a truck peddler of ice cream. "Oh, no, do not think so. But, you've raked for good in the Internet on my account! (Laughs)." Sometimes it's fun. Were struggling with two mobile phones before. You're not a technical person? "I think for how the music business today, it is necessary to be so. I still always have been. For example, in the studio there are enormous and complex machines and I like to work ...". I speak of the technology useful for the information. Computer#$%&, as I know, look in Google your name on the internet ... "I looked for my name on Google (a very serious voice said, ndr). This is a really awful thing to do. Never search your name on Google! I know some actors who do, but not a good idea" . Why? "An actor friend of mine starts every day trying their name on Google. Then, still upset for several hours, because he finds horrible things about themselves. Especially now that some people on a lot has been said or written, then they jump out of the most absurd, and there are many people who write on subjects of which he knows nothing. You should not do. Never search for your name on Google. " Since Keith has been dropped from the famous coconut tree ... "Yeah (voice against, ndr)". ... began to talk about death more relaxed. Have you ever had any near death experience? "No. I'm not even ever fallen from the pantry (laughs)." You have fear? "I think all they have." In Sway (published in Italy by Einaudi, ed), the best-selling novel about the Rolling Stones "Satanic", there are tremendous dialogues among yourselves. What do you think? "I read a review that talked about evil, so I did not. God, what books embarrassing! But you know what is the most ridiculous? Surely our real conversations are much more dire than those invented here! (Laughs) . My own interpretation of the translation of the first question : Q - Lets start by talking about Exile On Main Street, which is being reissued. A - There are 11 mixed, unreleased tracks - some are quite interesting! |
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Title: Re: Remastered Stones update Post by Gazza on Jan 23rd, 2010 at 10:32am
..and this comment almost defies belief :
"When the record company asked me if I wanted to republish Exile On Main St., asked some" experts "by the Rolling Stones to send all demos available. They were bootlegs. While listening to them for the first time I said "Wait a minute, but these things do not come from the same period (Exile On Main St., 1972, note), no, these were taken to another place, probably in the late 70s, maybe early 80s. .. ". When you read that and read the hopelessly researched sleevenotes for Rarities, it gives you great confidence in the capabilities of the sort of 'experts' the Stones entrust to plunder their archives, doesn't it? |
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Title: Re: Remastered Stones update Post by Nellcote on Jan 23rd, 2010 at 10:49am Gazza wrote on Jan 23rd, 2010 at 10:32am:
I've always questioned why not give Wyman the job of writing about these type of things, producing a video chrono? Who could talk to the Stones better, add historical footnotes better & still keep a finger in the action? Still, the info on this songs gets one crazed for the release. Thanks for passing this along. |
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Title: Re: Remastered Stones update Post by Gazza on Jan 23rd, 2010 at 1:01pm
It's also pretty encouraging to read that, after his initial reluctance, Mick seemed to actually enjoy dipping into the band's archives once he got started. Maybe a good omen for the future.
Incidentally, thats the first of a two-part interview. The second part will be published on February 15th. |
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Title: Re: Remastered Stones update Post by macdaddy on Jan 23rd, 2010 at 2:14pm Gazza wrote on Jan 23rd, 2010 at 10:28am:
I love this. So true. Thx for posting, gazza. |
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Title: Re: Remastered Stones update Post by texile on Jan 25th, 2010 at 4:35pm
Thanks for posting!
I know much is lost in the translation, but sounds like the same Mick mumbo-jimbo - he acts so removed from his own life and work.... But this Exile thing is very promising. |
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Title: Re: Remastered Stones update Post by Gazza on Jan 26th, 2010 at 6:27am
Can't vouch for the validity of this one, but here goes..
Latest rumour doing the rounds is that in addition to the completed but previously unreleased songs being included in the deluxe version of 'Exile', the band have decided to add a few touches to a few of the unreleased songs which weren't quite finished ....... and that a certain former guitarist who was in the band when the album was recorded has got the call to contribute to the parts that are being overdubbed.... http://www.iorr.org/talk/read.php?1,1190458,page=4 :wow |
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Title: Re: Remastered Stones update Post by Some Guy on Jan 26th, 2010 at 6:34am Gazza wrote on Jan 26th, 2010 at 6:27am:
WOW! Fuckin' WEE! |
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Title: Re: Remastered Stones update Post by Teiz on Jan 26th, 2010 at 6:57am
So it could very well be the greatest reissue of the century...fuck..can't wait for the release.
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Title: Re: Remastered Stones update Post by gimmekeef on Jan 26th, 2010 at 7:56am
If all this does pan out I hope they do a proper job of marketing this. Imagine Exile making it to #1 in this day and age? That would be so sweet and hopefully encourage further "vaulting"
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Title: Re: Remastered Stones update Post by Gazza on Jan 26th, 2010 at 10:32am
Doubt theres much chance of it selling enough to trouble the upper reaches of the charts, in fairness. Especially as we're looking at a multi disc release which may include a DVD. Its not exactly going to sell for the price of a regular CD.
A few guitar parts on unfinished songs that would have otherwise been left unheard in the vaults is ok (as long as there's still going to be COMPLETED songs left as they were recorded), but I just hope to hell Jagger isnt adding new lead vocals to unfinished songs that are forty years old. That idea is just horrible. |
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Title: Re: Remastered Stones update Post by Pdog on Jan 26th, 2010 at 12:28pm Gazza wrote on Jan 26th, 2010 at 10:32am:
he is friends with bono... and U2 did this... i'm just saying... |
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Title: Re: Remastered Stones update Post by Pdog on Jan 26th, 2010 at 12:28pm
otherwise, the rest is great news.
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Title: Re: Remastered Stones update Post by gimmekeef on Jan 26th, 2010 at 12:32pm Gazza wrote on Jan 26th, 2010 at 10:32am:
Hell yes....imagine a 1972 guitar song like Sweet Virginia being 'Streets of Loved"????? |
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Title: Re: Remastered Stones update Post by BrendanD on Jan 26th, 2010 at 3:57pm Gazza wrote on Jan 26th, 2010 at 6:27am:
Can't say that link fills me with much confidence, but given their current relations with Ronnie and the fact that all known recent Stones "activity" has focused on revisiting 1969-1972, we can dream can't we? Even if it only amounts to a few studio overdub sessions, anything that involves the Stones+Mick Taylor would have my interest much more than another tour. More realistically though, my highest hopes for this set are that it includes Ladies & Gentlemen as a bonus. |
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Title: Re: Remastered Stones update Post by gotdablouse on Jan 26th, 2010 at 6:19pm
Wow that's some news ! In the studio with Mick T. !
Honestly I can't see how Mick wouldn't have to redo vocals, based on all the "unreleased songs we've heard, the vocals are generally "work in progress" vocals, so what's the chance of finished vocals having been recorded at the time ? Other than Tattoo You, the only example I know of where Mick went in and redid the vocals for an old track was for "So Young" from 1977/78 that was used as a B-Side for a Voodoo Lounge single (LIS I think). It didn't sound bad, and not that different from the vocal on the old outtake. For those wondering why the heck they dug that one out, it's because Virgin had toyed with the idea of adding unreleased tracks to the 1994 reissues and Mick had spent some time at the Power Station (or RPM) in NYC in 12/1993. He actually mentioned in an AOL interview that he'd worked on Fiji Jim too. This info came from Philippe Manoeuvre of Rock and Folk in the April or May of 1994 issue, I probably still have it somewhere. I've never seen it mentioned elsewhere strangely enough, but he's a reliable source and it's certainly consistent with "So Young" coming out of the dark. |
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Title: Re: Remastered Stones update Post by texile on Jan 26th, 2010 at 7:05pm Gazza wrote on Jan 26th, 2010 at 10:32am:
You're right...that would be stupid and blasphemous. and wouldn't it kill the point? And U2 wasn't fucking around with Exile on Main Street. If true, this would be disastrous... |
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Title: Re: Remastered Stones update Post by texile on Jan 26th, 2010 at 7:10pm
I just had a horrible thought:
can you imagine Don Was fucking around the boards on tracks from Exile On Main Street? seriously? Now i'm just getting pissed... |
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Title: Re: Remastered Stones update Post by Mr. Yeats on Jan 26th, 2010 at 8:25pm
Some thoughts on the 'Exile' remaster:
The DVD won't be 'Ladies and Gentlemen...'. Too much money to be made as a stand-alone DVD release. Most likely the DVD will be a 'making of' thingy with lots of talking heads and some snippets of live stuff from the STP tour (maybe a couple shots from 'Ladies and Gents'); lots of brief clips of Capote and Warhol and a few low- res shots from 'Cocksucker Blues'. Standard rock doc type stuff. Not looking forward to M Taylor doing some new overdubs (any more than Jagger vocals), unless Jagger or Richards are physically present to direct him. Here's hoping they'll add a cleaned up "Good Time Women" and they extended version of "loving Cup" with that great extended outtro (go Charlie!). "Traveling Man" and the like wouldn't really add much for me. I can see some tracks from the lost '72 live album from the Spectrum in Philly (not the whole thing with the stuff from Texas, of course; that would make too much sense and make too many people happy- we can't have that). |
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Title: Re: Remastered Stones update Post by Mr. Sex Drugs Rock n Roll on Jan 27th, 2010 at 10:20am Gazza wrote on Jan 26th, 2010 at 6:27am:
Yeah man, I'm sure he is :smoking |
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Title: Re: Remastered Stones update Post by Gazza on Jan 27th, 2010 at 10:24am Mr. Sex Drugs Rock n Roll wrote on Jan 27th, 2010 at 10:20am:
Never said he was...! |
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Title: Re: Remastered Stones update Post by gotdablouse on Jan 27th, 2010 at 3:12pm
Wow, Matt Clifford returns !
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I never understood why he'd been booted from the Stones, Keith doesn't like him? Quote:
Mick and Mick had written 11 tracks for Exile? Odd, wonder if that's not stuff like Separately, Potted Shrimp, etc... |
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Title: Re: Remastered Stones update Post by Some Guy on Jan 27th, 2010 at 3:55pm
when might this be released??
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Title: Re: Remastered Stones update Post by Gazza on Jan 27th, 2010 at 3:56pm
12 May , or thereabouts. The anniversary of the original release date.
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Title: Re: Remastered Stones update Post by Gazza on Jan 27th, 2010 at 4:00pm gotdablouse wrote on Jan 27th, 2010 at 3:12pm:
Mick and Mick had written 11 tracks for Exile? Odd, wonder if that's not stuff like Separately, Potted Shrimp, etc...[/quote] I dont think its suggesting that the two Micks wrote a lot of songs together (which they didnt) Clifford still does a lot of technical stuff with Jagger, especially when he's demoing. He's credited on A Bigger Bang. 'Separately' was a GHS track, so it comes from after 'Exile'. |
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Title: Re: Remastered Stones update Post by gotdablouse on Jan 27th, 2010 at 4:50pm
That's true, I'm wondering if they haven't rounded a bunch of ureleased stuff from the 1970-1972 period though to throw it in there; other than a few die-hards no one would know the difference anyway, we'll see!
Yes Clifford stayed closely associated with Mick although it seems something happened during the recording of WS as an early 1992 Vanity Fair article had Mick and Matt playing an early version of "Don't Tear Me Up" and he was described as Mick's "musical aide de camp" (or something like that), but on WS I think he only ended up getting credited on "Angel in My Heart". |
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Title: Re: Remastered Stones update Post by Gazza on Jan 27th, 2010 at 7:39pm
There's very little known about what was recorded at Nellcote (as tends to be the case when recording in someone's home with a mobile recording unit as opposed to a 'regular' studio where you'd imagine studio logs would be a bit easier to track down). Barely half of Exile was recorded at those sessions (and even then, most of those songs werent finished until they went to LA and got various session musicians to add their parts), so you'd imagine that most of what was recorded for Exile but which ISN'T documented somewhere would come from Nellcote - and that as they recorded there on and off for about 3 months, there's a fair chance there would be a few more songs.
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Title: Re: Remastered Stones update Post by texile on Jan 27th, 2010 at 7:59pm
I'm just worried about Dan Wasas, Matt Cliffords and yes, even the Mick Jaggers messing with the original material from those sessions.
Exile was like the culmination of everything the stones had been up to that point: musically, personally, thier relationships - it is a product of that particular time in their history.... Apart from the 'cleaning' up the tracks, the idea of any other tinkering troubles me.... |
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Title: Re: Remastered Stones update Post by Gazza on Jan 27th, 2010 at 8:04pm
http://www.stevehoffman.tv/forums/showthread.php?t=206595
A "coffee table" box set according to one poster on that forum, quoting the latest issue of 'Rolling Stone'... :booze |
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Title: Re: Remastered Stones update Post by Gazza on Feb 5th, 2010 at 8:01am Gazza wrote on Jan 23rd, 2010 at 1:01pm:
Seems the second part of this interview is available now in the 'XL' supplement of this newspaper, just out today According to maumau on IORR, there's nothing more about the Exile reissue in it, but if anyone can get a link or a transcript with a translation, please post it. |
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Title: Re: Remastered Stones update Post by Gazza on Feb 18th, 2010 at 7:12am
More 'Exile' reissue gossip, from a post on IORR from 'TeddyB1018'
In lieu of official news, I have assembled the following from a pretty much unimpeachable source, though things can always change: In addition to the three Jagger has confirmed, "Following The River", "Plunder My Soul" and "Sophia Loren", look for the following to be on the new CD: "Scarlet" (Stones version, said to be amazing), "Loving Cup" (original version), "I Ain't Signifying" (aka Ain't Gonna Lie), "Aladdin Story" (with unbootlegged original Jagger vocal) and "Soul Survivor" (with original Keith vocal). They are looking to include at least some things that have not been bootlegged in these versions. Don't look for these to be on this reissue: "Potted Shrimp" and "Highway Child". At least one of these has been determined to come from the Goats Head Sessions ("Potted Shrimp" I believe). If this reissue works out, there is talk of following up with Goats Head Soup and, specifically, Some Girls :booze |
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Title: Re: Remastered Stones update Post by gimmekeef on Feb 18th, 2010 at 7:42am
Ahhhh...getting better all the time. Thanks Gazza for the tidbit to keep us in suspense. Why bother with GHS as far as marketing. Go right to SG where there would be imho much more interest and based on boot availability maybe more to work with? Hell even re-do the cover and update the pics of the women. Joey as Paris Hilton??
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Title: Re: Remastered Stones update Post by Some Guy on Feb 18th, 2010 at 7:57am
A 70 Stones album in 2010? unreal!
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Title: Re: Remastered Stones update Post by gimmekeef on Feb 18th, 2010 at 8:03am
Anyone know what "Scarlet" is or has it ever been booted or written about??
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Title: Re: Remastered Stones update Post by Pdog on Feb 18th, 2010 at 8:06am Gazza wrote on Feb 18th, 2010 at 7:12am:
I'm trying to keep myself from freaking out, while still hoping we get the 45 mix of all down the line... that has been booted... ugh! |
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Title: Re: Remastered Stones update Post by left shoe shuffle on Feb 18th, 2010 at 8:11am gimmekeef wrote on Feb 18th, 2010 at 8:03am:
Nico's refers to 'Scarlet' as unverified, and done in '74 (solo KR) and '76 (solo MJ). Also unknown if it was the same song, or just the same title. |
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Title: Re: Remastered Stones update Post by gotdablouse on Feb 18th, 2010 at 9:01am
Scarlet...that rings a few bells, from the top of my head it was supposedly recorded with Jimmy Page, I had Montreux 1975 in mind, not 74 or 76, but it certainly has never been bootlegged.
Strange that "Potted Shrimp" should have been determined to be from the GHS sessions, I suppose the fact that these three instrumentals (Aladin Story, Potted Shrimp, Dancing in the Light) all came out on one boot (Trident Demos ?) and said to have been recorded at Elektra in 1972 doesn't mean they were recorded at the same time. |
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Title: Re: Remastered Stones update Post by Bitch on Feb 18th, 2010 at 9:21am
Interesting! Yes, 'good things come to those who wait' an old saying but hopefully true for us Stones-thirsty fans! Gimme little drink, from the loving vaults - just some more music, and we'll fall down, drunk, on newly released old songs! Those are the best songs, back from 'the days' when they were young and fresh. Not that they are unloved now, in their older years, but the 70's are the years we love the most!
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Title: Re: Remastered Stones update Post by Gazza on Feb 18th, 2010 at 9:26am gotdablouse wrote on Feb 18th, 2010 at 9:01am:
Elektra, Hollywood late 1972 was what they were originally announced as when first bootlegged, but that wasnt the case. Not even sure they ever DID that session. They're all on the 'Trident Mixes' tape which got leaked around that time. However, Aladdin Story and Potted Shrimp BOTH come from the same session in October 1970. Maybe Potted Shrimp got redone/finished for GHS and thats why it wasnt shortlisted? Very odd. Dancing in The Light comes from around 1970 as well. |
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Title: Re: Remastered Stones update Post by Mr. Sex Drugs Rock n Roll on Feb 18th, 2010 at 10:45am
If they don't tiptoe a little deeper through the archives and include a dvd of Ladies and Gentleman I predict riots in the streets, total global meltdown, solar flares so intense they'll melt your eyeballs out of their sockets while shooting fire out your ass. Total fucking chaos! Do it for world peace!
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Title: Re: Remastered Stones update Post by gotdablouse on Feb 18th, 2010 at 11:45am Gazza wrote on Feb 18th, 2010 at 9:26am:
You're right, I'd leant Elektra some credit since that's where they recorded/mixed Exile, but that was in November 1971 not November 1972. I'd need to listen to them again but going by memory, I wonder if Potted Shrimp/Save Me don't have some similarities, hence the qualification as a GHS track. But they why would they include Scarlet a song that Keith himself said was recorded with Jimmy Page at a later date. Incidentally I just found out that Scarlet is the name of Jimmy Page's daugter! There must some hard evidence for Nico to date the session precisely at 15/10/1974. |
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Title: Re: Remastered Stones update Post by Teiz on Feb 18th, 2010 at 11:54am
Well Scarlet hasn't been confirmed yet, right? Could be a mistake. I'm keeping my fingers crossed for a huge EOMS succes, especially if that means the vaults will be plundered more fanatically.
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Title: Re: Remastered Stones update Post by Some Guy on Feb 18th, 2010 at 11:58am
it's all good!
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Title: Re: Remastered Stones update Post by Gazza on Feb 18th, 2010 at 4:11pm gotdablouse wrote on Feb 18th, 2010 at 11:45am:
'Exile' was finished at Sunset Sound in Hollywood. When I started collecting studio sessions (in the early 80s), there was this 5-song tape of instrumentals which were supposedly from Elektra in Hollywood from around October-November 1972, ie just a few weeks before they went to Jamaica to record GHS. The tracks were Aladdin Story, Dancing In The Light, Potted Shrimp, Leather Jacket and an Untitled instrumental. They were also (I think) on the Trident Mixes/Trident Demos bootlegs, which was a bit confusing, as that included stuff from 1968-69 as well. They were also sometimes known as 'Bell Sound Demos'. However, those songs were later attributed to other, earlier sessions, and the Stones dont appear to have recorded at Elektra other than doing some 'Let It Bleed' overdubs and mixes just before the '69 US Tour. Felix Aeppli's Ultimate Guide explains the whole Trident/Bellsound/Elektra thing thus : LATE 1972 TRIDENT MIXES, COMPILED BY THE ROLLING STONES (ABKCO / BELL SOUND ACETATE , ALTERNATIVE TO MORE HOT ROCKS), Arrangement Jimmy Miller A1 Jiving Sister Fanny A2 I’m Going Down (Jagger, Richards, Taylor) A3 I Don’t Know Why (Wonder, Riser, Hunter, Hardaway) A4 Give Me A Hamburger To Go A5 Downtown Suzie (Wyman) A6 Blood Red Wine B1 Travelling Man (Jagger, Richards, Taylor) B2 Family B3 Still A Fool (Morganfield) C1 Family (Retake) C2 Leather Jacket (Taylor) C3 Dancing In The Light C4 Potted Shrimps D1 Aladdin Story D2 And I Was A Country Boy D3 Who Am I? D4 Untitled Cuts A1, A3: Recorded at Olympic Sound Studios, London, June 10-July 2, 1969. Cuts A2, C2, D3: Recorded at Olympic Sound Studios, London, June 16--July 27, 1970. Cuts A4, A6, B2, B3: Recorded at Olympic Sound Studios, London, May 13-21, 1968. Cuts A5, D2: Recorded at Olympic Sound Studios, London, April 23, 1969. Cuts B1, C4, D1: Recorded with RSM, Stargroves, Newbury and/or at Olympic Sound Studios, London, October 21 onwards and November, 1970. Cut C1: Recorded at Olympic Sound Studios, London, June 24 or 28, 1968. Cuts C3, D4: Recorded with RSM, Stargroves, Newbury, and/or at Olympic Sound Studios, London, March-May, 1970. NOTES: Circulated on a number of Bell Sound acetates; - A possible album that didn’t make it into the shops, most likely due to the fact that too many titles assembled here were semi-finished songs or rough tracks (apparently to be finished at Trident Studios, London). The Rolling Stones’ TRIDENT MIXES thus would be not much more than a fore-runner of the METAMORPHOSIS album, much in the style of Andrew L. Oldham’s NECROPHILIA (see Entry 0.224A above) or Bill Wyman’s THE BLACK BOX (see Entry 0.263). Fortunately, this fascinating compilation did see the light of day a couple of years later, albeit in unofficial form. One of the few pressings of the rare 1972 Bell Sound acetate got lost in the mail and amazingly turned up at a postal auction of lost and unclaimed packages. And the lucky person who bought this unmarked lot had bootleg connections. The rest, as they say, is history: THE TRIDENT MIXES bootleg double album (K & S 072), following the exact track listing of the original acetate, became an instant classic among collectors; - http://aeppli.ch/TUG08/CD1970-1973Up.pdf |
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Title: Re: Remastered Stones update Post by gotdablouse on Feb 18th, 2010 at 4:18pm
Amazing, I had no idea that this Acetate that got lost in the mail was the source of the leak and Felix must have discovered that recently because I don't remember it from the 1982 (?) or 1995 editions of his "Heart of Stone" book !
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Title: Re: Remastered Stones update Post by Gazza on Feb 18th, 2010 at 4:22pm
Its not in the ones I have either (I've both of them too...couldnt believe I paid £65 in advance for a sessionography book way back in 1996 - which then wasnt published for another few months!)
I'd never read that story myself until a few weeks ago. |
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Title: Re: Remastered Stones update Post by gotdablouse on Feb 18th, 2010 at 4:30pm
Yes, same here for that second edition, those were the days ;-) Pretty hefty book but I remember being a bit disappointed as it had all the friggin' variations and remixes, something I have little interest in. I think I got his CD edition in 2003 too.
Funny thing is that in 1992 I was browsing through the 1982 edition at this great bookshop in London whose name escapes me now (off of Trafalgar Square I think) when I was acosted by an Austrian guy (Phillip ?) who was a big fan and left me his card, I think he posts at IORR from time to time. Anyway it's good of Felix to have shared that story about the acetate ! |
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Title: Re: Remastered Stones update Post by Boomy on Feb 18th, 2010 at 8:26pm
Man, looks like they are opening the vaults a crack at a time.
I wonder if we'll ever get some good clean versions of "Dirty Work" cuts (i.e. Crushed Pearl). Doubt it. |
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Title: Re: Remastered Stones update Post by texile on Feb 18th, 2010 at 9:01pm
Gazza,
is Blood, Red Wine from 71, 72? or before...? I always loved Mick's haunting voice and meloncholy guitar in that song...but was unsure of the date. |
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Title: Re: Remastered Stones update Post by corgi37 on Feb 19th, 2010 at 4:39am
It seems like an eternity waiting for this, but boy oh boy, it sounds fucking great!
And, per chance, could Taylor come back into the band? Why not? This could be another "audition" for him. At least they know he would be reliable on tour. I'm just saying. |
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Title: Re: Remastered Stones update Post by Gazza on Feb 19th, 2010 at 6:22am texile wrote on Feb 18th, 2010 at 9:01pm:
May '68 (see the track listing and recording dates for the Trident Mixes in my earlier post) It's a 'Beggars Banquet' outtake, recorded during the same two week session which produced the released versions of 'Dear Doctor', 'Prodigal Son', 'Factory Girl', 'Stray Cat Blues', 'Street Fighting Man' as well as that glorious cover of 'Still a Fool' |
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Title: Re: Remastered Stones update Post by albert on Feb 19th, 2010 at 6:28am
I didnn't read all the pages of this thread, but I mostly look things up at this website: http://www.nzentgraf.de/
It can be very helpful; don't know if all the information is correct though? grt, Albert Holland |
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Title: Re: Remastered Stones update Post by Pdog on Feb 21st, 2010 at 2:59pm albert wrote on Feb 19th, 2010 at 6:28am:
it's pretty damn good, and well researched, even if it was all wrong... so much time put into it. |
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Title: Re: Remastered Stones update Post by Some Guy on Feb 21st, 2010 at 10:43pm
I predict this thread will be very popular very soon.
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Title: Re: Remastered Stones update Post by Some Guy on Feb 22nd, 2010 at 6:53am Gazza wrote on Feb 18th, 2010 at 7:12am:
I'm rereading this and I think it says Scarlet is one of the songs, not the name of the CD. |
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Title: Re: Remastered Stones update Post by Gazza on Feb 22nd, 2010 at 7:02am Some Guy wrote on Feb 22nd, 2010 at 6:53am:
Didn't say it was the name of the CD. Hence the ":" followed by a list of possible tracks. |
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Title: Re: Remastered Stones update Post by Some Guy on Feb 22nd, 2010 at 7:32am Gazza wrote on Feb 22nd, 2010 at 7:02am:
I jumped to conclusions and at first thought that was the name of the cd and not a song. |
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Title: Re: Remastered Stones update Post by Gazza on Feb 22nd, 2010 at 7:39am
LOL..
I doubt it'll have a name other than something along the lines of 'Bonus CD' |
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Title: Re: Remastered Stones update Post by gimmekeef on Feb 22nd, 2010 at 8:03am Gazza wrote on Feb 22nd, 2010 at 7:39am:
If it has a few new gems they can call it anything they want. Except tinkling with Chuck. |
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Title: Re: Remastered Stones update Post by Pdog on Feb 22nd, 2010 at 8:26am
has a band named an album yet and called it bonus cd?
I know a band that named themselves special guests, looked great on flyers... |
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Title: Re: Remastered Stones update Post by Some Guy on Feb 22nd, 2010 at 8:30am
Bonus CD tour 2011?
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Title: Re: Remastered Stones update Post by Boomy on Feb 22nd, 2010 at 11:05am
I'm hoping they release this as a CD in mini-lp form and also on vinyl.
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Title: Re: Remastered Stones update Post by gotdablouse on Mar 1st, 2010 at 4:40pm
From : http://www.examiner.com/x-19248-Vintage-Rock-n-Roll-Examiner~y2010m2d25-Rolling-Stones-Exile-on-Main-Street-to-be-reissued-with-unreleased-songs
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Title: Re: Remastered Stones update Post by Mel Belli on Mar 1st, 2010 at 7:02pm
First time MT's involvement has been reported in the press?
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Title: Re: Remastered Stones update Post by Gazza on Mar 1st, 2010 at 7:13pm Pdog wrote on Feb 22nd, 2010 at 8:26am:
I've actually seen posts on Stones boards down the years enquiring did anyone know if the support band "T.B.A." were any good... |
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Title: Re: Remastered Stones update Post by Gazza on Mar 1st, 2010 at 7:14pm Mel Belli wrote on Mar 1st, 2010 at 7:02pm:
Other than fansite gossip, I believe so. |
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Title: Re: Remastered Stones update Post by sweetcharmedlife on Mar 1st, 2010 at 7:16pm Pdog wrote on Feb 22nd, 2010 at 8:26am:
Joe Walsh once named an album "You bought,you name it". |
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Title: Re: Remastered Stones update Post by corgi37 on Mar 1st, 2010 at 8:16pm
T.B.A.???? Gazza, they rocked da house!!
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Title: Re: Remastered Stones update Post by texile on Mar 1st, 2010 at 9:40pm
I'm cautiously excited....
Is matt clifford going to add some piano fills to Let It Loose and Shine a Light? or maybe Bernard Fowler and Lisa Fischer can throw some nice background vocals to Loving Cup.... Only Don Was would allow Jagger to add new lyrics and vocals to some Exile-era tracks, finished or not. I bet Was pisses in his pants everytime he reads, "Produced by The Glimmer Twins, Jimmy Miller and DON WAS!" That's what those tracks will say isn't it? Jeez. |
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Title: Re: Remastered Stones update Post by Some Guy on Mar 1st, 2010 at 11:23pm texile wrote on Mar 1st, 2010 at 9:40pm:
That is top 1% postin' |
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Title: Re: Remastered Stones update Post by Some Guy on Mar 1st, 2010 at 11:38pm gimmekeef wrote on Apr 17th, 2009 at 8:14am:
you will be ungreeted |
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Title: Re: Remastered Stones update Post by Paranoid Android on Mar 2nd, 2010 at 12:27am sweetcharmedlife wrote on Mar 1st, 2010 at 7:16pm:
Public Image Ltd once named an album ALBUM...the cassette was called CASSETTE...and the CD was called COMPACT DISC |
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Title: Re: Remastered Stones update Post by gotdablouse on Mar 6th, 2010 at 4:05pm
I don't believe this has been posted before : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bMuL28y0uP8 ?
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Title: Re: Remastered Stones update Post by Pdog on Mar 6th, 2010 at 7:12pm gotdablouse wrote on Mar 6th, 2010 at 4:05pm:
i posted it here, saw it on anther forum and stole it... it's awesome, def. leaked from the upcoming project in some way. |
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Title: Re: Remastered Stones update Post by Heart Of Stone on Mar 6th, 2010 at 7:19pm Paranoid Android wrote on Mar 2nd, 2010 at 12:27am:
"http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ujYp4g0_f2A" |
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Title: Re: Remastered Stones update Post by Paranoid Android on May 15th, 2010 at 12:58pm
FLASHBACK!!!
All this hoopla started just over a year ago...read thru the stuff and see how far off/close we all were w/ our skeptisism, hopes, wishes, and wants!!! Pretty good stuff, I say!!! |
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