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Message started by open-g on Jul 5th, 2008 at 7:36am

Title: Hitler got his head ripped off ( Tussaud - NSC)
Post by open-g on Jul 5th, 2008 at 7:36am
After queing up for 1 hour, a 41 y/o man ripped the head off the Hitler-waxfigure at the new Madame Tussauds which opend today.
what's your opinion about that?  


http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601088&sid=amOeV_OF4m5w&refer=home

 Hitler Statue Decapitated at Berlin Madame Tussauds (Update1)


By Simone Meier

July 5 (Bloomberg) -- A man ripped the head off a wax sculpture of Adolf Hitler on the opening day of the Madame Tussauds museum in Berlin, police said.

The 41-year-old man pushed aside a guard and an employee who tried to stop him from attacking the likeness of the Nazi dictator shortly after 10 a.m., Berlin police said in a statement. The man was taken into custody and was due to be released later today, police spokesman Uwe Kozelnik said in a phone interview.

The employee suffered a ``slight'' leg injury in the incident, according to the police statement. The man who lives in Berlin's Kreuzberg neighborhood will face charges related to damaging property and injuring a person. The headless statue was removed from display after the attack.

The new museum, located on Berlin's Unter den Linden, not far from the Brandenburg Gate, opened to the public for the first time today. The statue of the Nazi ruler has sparked criticism with some commentators calling it ``tasteless.''

Madame Tussauds said before the museum opened that it would be leaving a gap in German history if Hitler weren't included in an exhibition showing personalities including actress Marlene Dietrich, Prussian statesman Otto von Bismarck and Chancellor Angela Merkel.

``There wasn't a compromise,'' Natalie Ruoss, a spokeswoman for the exhibition told N-TV in an interview before the opening. Madame Tussauds ``wanted to show the entire German history.''

Restrictions

The Hitler statue is placed behind a red cordon and has a sign asking visitors to refrain from taking photographs or posing alongside the figure, out of respect for the millions who died in World War II. According to museum policy, a member of staff is on location to ensure they don't.

Merlin Entertainments Group, Europe's largest operator of visitor attractions, owns Madame Tussauds. Merlin itself is owned by Blackstone Group LP, the world's biggest leveraged buyout firm. Madame Tussauds couldn't be reached for comment.

To contact the writer on this story: Simone Meier in Frankfurt at [email protected].
Last Updated: July 5, 2008 08:59 EDT

Title: Re: Hitler got his head ripped off ( Tussaud - NSC
Post by gimmekeef on Jul 5th, 2008 at 9:23am
Well he did pay his way in..so....go for it....

Title: Re: Hitler got his head ripped off ( Tussaud - NSC
Post by open-g on Jul 5th, 2008 at 9:41am
Dang - I pasted the wrong news clip first  :aimama
sorry - now it's updated.

I have sympathy for the guy - the only thing that went bad is - an  employee suffered a "slight'' leg injury
...and hey, the guy got up early on a saturday morning, cued for an hour and was the 2nd to enter the museum and yes, he did pay to get in.

also, he lives in my neighbourhood  :perverted
he shouted " No more war, ever again."

a comment of an elderly woman: "Finally someone succeeded to assasin Hitler."

Title: Re: Hitler got his head ripped off ( Tussaud - NSC
Post by Ade on Jul 5th, 2008 at 11:18am
"Erasing him from history is not going to bring the perished ones back"

Stephen Kramer
Central Council of Jews in Germany

Title: Re: Hitler got his head ripped off ( Tussaud - NSC
Post by Sioux on Jul 5th, 2008 at 2:41pm

Ade wrote on Jul 5th, 2008 at 11:18am:
"Erasing him from history is not going to bring the perished ones back"

Stephen Kramer
Central Council of Jews in Germany




True.....but it must have given him great SATISFACTION to rip the little creep's head off.

Title: Re: Hitler got his head ripped off ( Tussaud - NSC
Post by stonedinaustralia on Jul 5th, 2008 at 6:41pm

Sioux wrote on Jul 5th, 2008 at 2:41pm:

Ade wrote on Jul 5th, 2008 at 11:18am:
"Erasing him from history is not going to bring the perished ones back"

Stephen Kramer
Central Council of Jews in Germany




True.....but it must have given him great SATISFACTION to rip the little creep's head off.


well he didnt - he pulled the head of off a wax figure

sure the dude is entitled to make his protest against thenazi regime tho all right thinking people may agree with his views  on what hitler represents (which makes it a bit pointless)

and yes hitlers madness was as mad as any tyrants in history ...but this notion that he was and remains the avatar of some kind of other worldly monster evil incarnate, and not the crazed loner weirdo from the margins of his society who parlayed his prejudices and hatreds into political currency and ultimate power that he was, has the wiff of hysteria about it and needs to be gotten over(imho)

a lot of people died horrble deaths or suffered unspeakably and the industrialization of genocide is perhaps the 20thC's most gruesome legacy but I always go back to Voltaire  " we owe respect to the living -  to the dead we owe the truth" ...it's revisionism - a PC/ whitewash/ don't hurt my feelings mentality - -I  was interested to see when i was in Germany that trade in nazi artefacts was illegal but those of stalinist russia were openly for sale

Title: Re: Hitler got his head ripped off ( Tussaud - NSC
Post by open-g on Jul 6th, 2008 at 1:28am

Sioux wrote on Jul 5th, 2008 at 2:41pm:

Ade wrote on Jul 5th, 2008 at 11:18am:
"Erasing him from history is not going to bring the perished ones back"

Stephen Kramer
Central Council of Jews in Germany




True.....but it must have given him great SATISFACTION to rip the little creep's head off.



It's not about erasing Hitler from history  - (my estimate) 95 % of the todays germans  know and despise what was wrong.

I'm pretty sure it was not about getting some sort of satisfaction out of that action, but the disgusting passiveness... like ; if no one said anything  adainst it.

The hitler figure and scene was roped off and it is prohibited to take photos......

haha - were you oficially allowed to take pics of the Stones?...

what kind of a sport would that be (for some o' those last 5%, neonazis) to take "forbidden" pics with the Führer?
would You Tube say - soory, no, You cant post this here.....

I doubt it^^

Title: Re: Hitler got his head ripped off ( Tussaud - NSC
Post by gimmekeef on Jul 6th, 2008 at 9:23am
This Tussuad dame has always had poor taste. I blame her........

Title: Re: Hitler got his head ripped off ( Tussaud - NSC
Post by Zack on Jul 6th, 2008 at 10:15am

Nice post, SIA.  Especially the Voltaire quote.  He rocks.

Title: Re: Hitler got his head ripped off ( Tussaud - NSC
Post by lotsajizz on Jul 6th, 2008 at 3:44pm

stonedinaustralia wrote on Jul 5th, 2008 at 6:41pm:
crazed loner weirdo from the margins of his society


False.  The danger of believeing that evil must fit the above false stereotype is that people will not recogize such evil it when it happens again.  It is hard for some to understand, but it remains a fact; Adolf Hitler was a very sane human being whose ideas appealed to tens, if not hundreds, of millions---and many besides Germans.  People must quit clinging to outdated notions of evil being an easy-to-spot/foaming-at-mouth phenemenon rather than accepting that evil might come wearing a suit, appealing to broad sectors of society, and sounding reasonable on the surface.  Until they do, they merely enable the next generation of evil tyrants.

Title: Re: Hitler got his head ripped off ( Tussaud - NSC
Post by jostorm on Jul 6th, 2008 at 4:08pm

lotsajizz wrote on Jul 6th, 2008 at 3:44pm:

stonedinaustralia wrote on Jul 5th, 2008 at 6:41pm:
crazed loner weirdo from the margins of his society


False.  The danger of believeing that evil must fit the above false stereotype is that people will not recogize such evil it when it happens again.  It is hard for some to understand, but it remains a fact; Adolf Hitler was a very sane human being whose ideas appealed to tens, if not hundreds, of millions---and many besides Germans.  People must quit clinging to outdated notions of evil being an easy-to-spot/foaming-at-mouth phenemenon rather than accepting that evil might come wearing a suit, appealing to broad sectors of society, and sounding reasonable on the surface.  Until they do, they merely enable the next generation of evil tyrants.


WOW! I never tought I'd ever say this: good post, Mr Jizzy!

Quite right, also. If it's really a protest against war, then he should have ripped off Bush's and Blair's heads instead, that would have had a little more "present" impact. If I remember correctly, that war ended, and he lost anyway.

Title: Re: Hitler got his head ripped off ( Tussaud - NSC
Post by Zack on Jul 6th, 2008 at 4:15pm
I take your point, Jizzy, but Hitler rolled on the floor and chewed on the carpet when he got bad news.  That's pretty crazed if you ask me.

Title: Re: Hitler got his head ripped off ( Tussaud - NSC
Post by stonedinaustralia on Jul 6th, 2008 at 6:21pm
well i take your point regarding the banality of evil Jizz but i would stand by the assertion that hitler certainly was from the margins of german society at the time and i would say there is plenty of evidence to support the idea of him having the loner mentality.. but i accept that  yes perhaps the werido epithet was gratuitous to some degree

Title: Re: Hitler got his head ripped off ( Tussaud - NSC
Post by lotsajizz on Jul 7th, 2008 at 11:45am

Zack wrote on Jul 6th, 2008 at 4:15pm:
I take your point, Jizzy, but Hitler rolled on the floor and chewed on the carpet when he got bad news.  That's pretty crazed if you ask me.



A myth.  Cite please.
That being said, there's no doubt he was losing it in the final weeks.  But at that point it would have been insane for him NOT to.

Title: Re: Hitler got his head ripped off ( Tussaud - NSC
Post by Pdog on Jul 7th, 2008 at 12:24pm
Hitler was a failed artist and full of self hate. He was either gay or asexual, regardless he had issues there. He failed at everything in his life, until some jumbled hard to follow ramblings called "Mein Kampf" caught on among other losers and became a movemnt to take over a great country suffering from failed leadership.
Hitler was a loser who got lucky, but not in the Tom Petty sense.
One fight that continues is the fight between fascists and communists. It just wears a new face and has new names and justifcations.

Title: Re: Hitler got his head ripped off ( Tussaud - NSC
Post by Zack on Jul 7th, 2008 at 1:37pm

lotsajizz wrote on Jul 7th, 2008 at 11:45am:

Zack wrote on Jul 6th, 2008 at 4:15pm:
I take your point, Jizzy, but Hitler rolled on the floor and chewed on the carpet when he got bad news.  That's pretty crazed if you ask me.



A myth.  Cite please.
That being said, there's no doubt he was losing it in the final weeks.  But at that point it would have been insane for him NOT to.


I'm pretty sure it was in Shirer's Rise and Fall of the Third Reich.  It's been a few years.

Title: Re: Hitler got his head ripped off ( Tussaud - NSC
Post by sirmoonie on Jul 7th, 2008 at 2:26pm

Zack wrote on Jul 7th, 2008 at 1:37pm:

lotsajizz wrote on Jul 7th, 2008 at 11:45am:

Zack wrote on Jul 6th, 2008 at 4:15pm:
I take your point, Jizzy, but Hitler rolled on the floor and chewed on the carpet when he got bad news.  That's pretty crazed if you ask me.



A myth.  Cite please.
That being said, there's no doubt he was losing it in the final weeks.  But at that point it would have been insane for him NOT to.


I'm pretty sure it was in Shirer's Rise and Fall of the Third Reich.  It's been a few years.

Lotsajizz doesn't believe anything in Shirer's book.

Title: Re: Hitler got his head ripped off ( Tussaud - NSC
Post by lotsajizz on Jul 7th, 2008 at 2:29pm

Pdog wrote on Jul 7th, 2008 at 12:24pm:
Hitler was a failed artist and full of self hate. He was either gay or asexual, regardless he had issues there. He failed at everything in his life, until some jumbled hard to follow ramblings called "Mein Kampf" caught on among other losers and became a movemnt to take over a great country suffering from failed leadership.
Hitler was a loser who got lucky, but not in the Tom Petty sense.
One fight that continues is the fight between fascists and communists. It just wears a new face and has new names and justifcations.


Generally spot on.  However, the speculation as to his sexuality is off base.  His mistress was by any standard a good looking/big-breasted blonde and one of his final acts was to "make an honest woman out of her".  Again, just because he was evil does not mean he was not otherwise 'normal' in ways most can identify.  It is diffuclt to reconcile such evil with such banality, but it is indeed fact.

Title: Re: Hitler got his head ripped off ( Tussaud - NSC
Post by Pdog on Jul 7th, 2008 at 2:55pm

lotsajizz wrote on Jul 7th, 2008 at 2:29pm:

Pdog wrote on Jul 7th, 2008 at 12:24pm:
Hitler was a failed artist and full of self hate. He was either gay or asexual, regardless he had issues there. He failed at everything in his life, until some jumbled hard to follow ramblings called "Mein Kampf" caught on among other losers and became a movemnt to take over a great country suffering from failed leadership.
Hitler was a loser who got lucky, but not in the Tom Petty sense.
One fight that continues is the fight between fascists and communists. It just wears a new face and has new names and justifcations.


Generally spot on.  However, the speculation as to his sexuality is off base.  His mistress was by any standard a good looking/big-breasted blonde and one of his final acts was to "make an honest woman out of her".  Again, just because he was evil does not mean he was not otherwise 'normal' in ways most can identify.  It is diffuclt to reconcile such evil with such banality, but it is indeed fact.


I tend to believe the people who were in the bunker and checked the sheets for cum stains, none were ever found.
I like the docs about Hitlers Secretary and the  movie based on her experience...
You think Hitler was getting laid just b/c Eva Braun was hot? He had health problems, maybe one of those was a non functionning dick. That would explain alot... I find people who fuck alot, don't usually try to destroy Europe.

Title: Re: Hitler got his head ripped off ( Tussaud - NSC
Post by lotsajizz on Jul 7th, 2008 at 3:15pm
As I said, towards the end he experienced a breakdown of most normal human experiences/functions.  With the guilt he had, facing failure, facing his own death, an inhuman work schedule, no fresh air, never outside, who wouldn't.  That all being said, there is little doubt he was not gettin' any in his final years.

Title: Re: Hitler got his head ripped off ( Tussaud - NSC
Post by Pdog on Jul 7th, 2008 at 3:21pm

lotsajizz wrote on Jul 7th, 2008 at 3:15pm:
As I said, towards the end he experienced a breakdown of most normal human experiences/functions.  With the guilt he had, facing failure, facing his own death, an inhuman work schedule, no fresh air, never outside, who wouldn't.  That all being said, there is little doubt he was not gettin' any in his final years.


there's a good deal of sexual history about many historical figures. there's mistresses, same sex, deviant or s and m... hitlers seems to be missing, you think there's a reason for that? you ever watch porn? you ever actually watch it for the acting between sex scenes?

Title: Re: Hitler got his head ripped off ( Tussaud - NSC
Post by Factory Girl on Jul 7th, 2008 at 3:21pm
I'm Russian, and I despise Hitler and his regime.   Members of MY VERY OWN family died fighting that monster.   The horrors that his ilk did to Russian people will never be forgotten.   But, the Russian army kicked his  ass despite MONUMENTAL COSTS to the Russian people, and despite the brutality of the Stalinist regime.

I know that EVERY family in RUSSIA has been adversely affected by WWII to this day.  Every family in Russia has lost a father, a grandfather, a son or a brother  to Hitler.  Every Russian family.    

Title: Re: Hitler got his head ripped off ( Tussaud - NSC
Post by Pdog on Jul 7th, 2008 at 3:28pm

Factory Girl wrote on Jul 7th, 2008 at 3:21pm:
I'm Russian, and I despise Hitler and his regime.   Members of MY VERY OWN family died fighting that monster.   The horrors that his ilk did to Russian people will never be forgotten.   But, the Russian army kicked his  ass despite MONUMENTAL COSTS to the Russian people, and despite the brutality of the Stalinist regime.

I know that EVERY family in RUSSIA has been adversely affected by WWII to this day.  Every family in Russia has lost a father, a grandfather, a son or a brother  to Hitler.  Every Russian family.    


stalin made Hitler look like a Wanna Be Dictator, when Stalin ran out of Jews to kill, he just killed his own people. If it wasn't for those two assholes, Europe would've been great in the 40's.
I'm a bit Georgian, Austrian, German and all of Jewish descent. I'm such a rare breed along the line somebody fucked a Mick, just in case!!!!

Title: Re: Hitler got his head ripped off ( Tussaud - NSC
Post by lotsajizz on Jul 7th, 2008 at 3:58pm
Stalin and Hitler were flip sides of a very evil coin.

Title: Re: Hitler got his head ripped off ( Tussaud - NSC
Post by Pdog on Jul 7th, 2008 at 4:03pm

lotsajizz wrote on Jul 7th, 2008 at 3:58pm:
Stalin and Hitler were flip sides of a very evil coin.


and the fight between fascsim and communism rages on taday, even in america... and many are too blind to even know they are on one of the teams...

anyway...
Who was more evil? I always kinda thought Stalin was... I've met many Pollocks, who hated the Nazis,but have hatred so deep for Russia and the USSR you would think they wished The Germans had won, and i'm not even being sarcastic. I'm going by the words of only a few old enough to have been there Pols, but nonetheless, you can feel it when someone breaks it down to you.
We got it really good in North America!!!

Title: Re: Hitler got his head ripped off ( Tussaud - NSC
Post by Sioux on Jul 12th, 2008 at 1:19pm
So, did Hitler experience self hate since he was part Jewish himself? Killing Jews {and, I know others, too} never made any sense in the context that he had Jewish blood...

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