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Title: Most Self- Destructive Artist Alive or Dead.
Post by Heart Of Stone on Jul 4^th, 2008 at 10:15pm

More then one vote, guests welcome.
Other mentions.
1-Bix Beiderbecke.
2-Tommy Bolin.
3-Tim Buckley.
4-Gene Clark.
5-Rory Gallagher.
6-Andy Gibb.
7-Bob Hite.
8-Randy Jo Hobbs.
9-Frankie Lymon.
10-Jimmy McCulloch.
11-Robbie McIntosh.
12-Miss Christine.
13-John Philips.
14-Robert Quine.
15-David Ruffin.
16-Dylan Thomas.
17-Gene Vincent.
18-Dennis Wilson.
19-Danny Whitten.

I might have left out some names (sorry about that) but these people have lived self-destructive lives, after the date of Brian Jones death, I relazied, how many others have died thru drinking & drugs.
Some are still around to talk about it (Steve Tyler/Alice cooper) but a lot don't, I forgot Marianne Faithful, but I was just looking at musicians, there's so many others, there's thousands, people who live self-destructive all the time.

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Post by Edith Grove on Jul 4^th, 2008 at 10:51pm

My choice was Amy Winehouse. Twenty-something y.o. and she already has emphysema?

I'm a bit surprised Alice Cooper is a choice.
He's been sober for 25 or so years and is actively involved in youth programs in his hometown.

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Post by Heart Of Stone on Jul 4^th, 2008 at 11:15pm

Edith Grove wrote on Jul 4^th, 2008 at 10:51pm:

Yeah, some people have changed their lives around, & Alice cooper is one of them, he's been sober for over 25 Yrs. he's a born again Christian, but back in the 70's, he used to drink 30 Beers a day, & drink Seagrams VO at night, he was such an alcoholic that he almost lost all things in his life, he was a serious case that some people thought he would die.

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Post by Heart Of Stone on Jul 4^th, 2008 at 11:40pm

Although not a lot of people know about Bix Beiderbecke, he was the most self-destructive artist of his time, going back to the early 1900's, he was a jazz musician, that a movie was based on, starring Kirk Douglas, he drank himself to death.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bix_Beiderbecke
Bix Beiderbecke - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

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Post by Holden on Jul 4^th, 2008 at 11:47pm

What about that Libertines dude?

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Post by GotToRollMe on Jul 5^th, 2008 at 12:05am

It's frightening how long that list is, and that's the short list.

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Post by stonedinaustralia on Jul 5^th, 2008 at 5:24am

as far as I'm concerned there's a huge amount of daylight between this guy and whoever comes second

GG Allin

imho it's a no brainer - and he's not even on the list

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Post by corgi37 on Jul 5^th, 2008 at 5:47am

Most destructive is a toss up between Malcolm Maclaren and the pricks who wrote "Macarena".

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Post by MaineMotels on Jul 5^th, 2008 at 7:13am

corgi37 wrote on Jul 5^th, 2008 at 5:47am:

Most destructive is a toss up between Malcolm Maclaren and the pricks who wrote "Macarena".

The Macarena? Now wasn't that a dance craze that swept Australia several years back???

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Post by Factory Girl on Jul 5^th, 2008 at 7:33am

SIA, Who is GG Allin??? Yikes, what an image. :o

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Post by MaineMotels on Jul 5^th, 2008 at 8:03am

Self destructive? I'm not sure that just because someone dies young or even used drugs for awhile necessarily make them self destructive. Does the fact that someone actually survives drugs, like Keith, make them less "self destructive".....?????

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Post by left shoe shuffle on Jul 5^th, 2008 at 8:10am

Yep, GG Allin is the toppermost of the poppermost.

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Post by MaineMotels on Jul 5^th, 2008 at 8:14am

Does he get paid well to do shit like that????

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Post by left shoe shuffle on Jul 5^th, 2008 at 8:19am

Ten Thousand Motels wrote on Jul 5^th, 2008 at 8:14am:

Does he get paid well to do shit like that????

He's dead.

Shit was a key element of his act.

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Post by MaineMotels on Jul 5^th, 2008 at 8:27am

left shoe shuffle wrote on Jul 5^th, 2008 at 8:19am:

Shit was a key element of his act.

Oh. Kinda like Joey.

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Post by nankerphelge on Jul 5^th, 2008 at 8:29am

Thanks

That was brilliant!

I'll be laughing all day now!

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Post by Ade on Jul 5^th, 2008 at 10:01am

Chet Baker

Charlie Parker

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Post by Joey on Jul 5^th, 2008 at 11:04am

< ----- Keith John Moon !!!

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Post by Gazza on Jul 5^th, 2008 at 11:50am

Cant believe Iggy isnt on that list.

however, as said above, GG Allin takes the biscuit.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GG_Allin

..and an account of his final show, and death a short time later :

http://home.nyc.rr.com/alweisel/spinggallin.htm

Happy reading, everyone.

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Post by left shoe shuffle on Jul 5^th, 2008 at 12:02pm

Omaha World Herald reports Allin was knocking back Bloody GG's at the Brazen Head last night...

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Post by PartyDoll MEG on Jul 5^th, 2008 at 12:13pm

Gazza wrote on Jul 5^th, 2008 at 11:50am:

Gee thanks a lot, Gaz!! I was gonna just go with Leftie's explanation and leave it at that and then you have to go and wiki it(and I always click on a link ;))... :pukey

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Post by Gazza on Jul 5^th, 2008 at 12:23pm

Coulda been worse. One of the links has another link to a pic of him "lying in state".

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Post by fireontheplatter on Jul 5^th, 2008 at 12:26pm

back in the day i would have to say keith richards.

i bet kurt cobain and sid vicious were pretty hard on themselves aswell

:wtf1

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Post by Gazza on Jul 5^th, 2008 at 12:30pm

wrote on Jul 5^th, 2008 at 12:26pm:

back in the day i would have to say keith richards.

i bet kurt cobain and sid vicious were pretty hard on themselves aswell

:wtf1

They sure were. They killed themselves.

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Post by fireontheplatter on Jul 5^th, 2008 at 12:45pm

stonedinaustralia wrote on Jul 5^th, 2008 at 5:24am:

as far as I'm concerned there's a huge amount of daylight between this guy and whoever comes second

GG Allin

imho it's a no brainer - and he's not even on the list

how fake.

thats black magic marker and heinz ketchup.

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Post by Edith Grove on Jul 5^th, 2008 at 12:47pm

Gazza wrote on Jul 5^th, 2008 at 12:23pm:

Coulda been worse. One of the links has another link to a pic of him "lying in state".

Well, I had to find out what this guy was about, so I looked at one of the videos.

I don't think Ill be able to eat again until perhaps Monday.

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Post by left shoe shuffle on Jul 5^th, 2008 at 1:02pm

wrote on Jul 5^th, 2008 at 12:45pm:

how fake.

thats black magic marker and heinz ketchup.

Dude. Really.
There are links to Allin's exploits posted in this very thread.

You might want to edumacate yourself just a wee bit and then you'll see how wrong you are.

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Post by GotToRollMe on Jul 5^th, 2008 at 1:51pm

stonedinaustralia wrote on Jul 5^th, 2008 at 5:24am:

as far as I'm concerned there's a huge amount of daylight between this guy and whoever comes second

GG Allin
imho it's a no brainer - and he's not even on the list

Yep, I agree. GG was in a real hurry to die - and he finally got his wish.

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Post by left shoe shuffle on Jul 5^th, 2008 at 3:56pm

Factory Girl wrote on Jul 5^th, 2008 at 3:49pm:

Wait a minute!!! I need to be enlightened about GG Allin.

Click those links, or Google "GG Allin"... :willya

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Post by Factory Girl on Jul 5^th, 2008 at 4:09pm

Gazza,

I read the links you so kindly provided.

Geez, he must have sucked. And, I don't say that lightly.

When you NEED to do what he did to get someone to pay attention, you're best off dead.

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Post by Gazza on Jul 5^th, 2008 at 4:12pm

Factory Girl wrote on Jul 5^th, 2008 at 4:09pm:

Gazza,

I read the links you so kindly provided.

Geez, he must have sucked. And, I don't say that lightly.

When you NEED to do what he did to get someone to pay attention, you're best off dead.

On the bright side, at least he didnt smell any worse AFTER he died than when he was alive....

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Post by PartyDoll MEG on Jul 5^th, 2008 at 4:18pm

Gazza wrote on Jul 5^th, 2008 at 4:12pm:

Factory Girl wrote on Jul 5^th, 2008 at 4:09pm:

Gazza,

I read the links you so kindly provided.

Geez, he must have sucked. And, I don't say that lightly.

When you NEED to do what he did to get someone to pay attention, you're best off dead.

On the bright side, at least he didnt smell any worse AFTER he died than when he was alive....

God Love Ya, Gaz. You are a very very sick Man!!! ;D ;D

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Post by Factory Girl on Jul 5^th, 2008 at 5:11pm

My dear Gazza,

Death has a reason for the death smell. GG Allin, in life, had no reason.

I'm very open minded about musicians and their music, but if you need to do all this sick shit for attention.... he KNEW he WAS a LOSER.

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Post by Joey on Jul 5^th, 2008 at 5:18pm

" Omaha World Herald reports Allin was knocking back Bloody GG's at the Brazen Head last night "

www.omaha.com

www.BrazenheadPub.com

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Post by Heart Of Stone on Jul 6^th, 2008 at 6:47pm

Gazza wrote on Jul 5^th, 2008 at 11:50am:

Thanks gazza for the reminder, yes, Iggy was a very self destructive guy in a big way, so was the guy who helped him in the 70's Bowie, he was so addicted to Cocaine, he weighed 90 pounds, & was a walking skelton, & in Frank Sinatra Jr. words "He's the most insane looking human creature I ever had the misfortune to lay my eyes on" after seeing him at the Grammy awards in '75.

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Post by stonedinaustralia on Jul 6^th, 2008 at 6:57pm

Factory Girl wrote on Jul 5^th, 2008 at 7:33am:

SIA, Who is GG Allin??? Yikes, what an image. :o

hey there FG - I see Gazza et al have filled you in..of course it is all based on a very liberal interpretation of the word "artist".

I, of course, never saw the guy but i have spoken to a couple of people who have and it sure didn't sound like my idea of fun - not my cup of tea at all

:)

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Post by ijwthstd on Jul 6^th, 2008 at 7:56pm

Factory Girl wrote on Jul 5^th, 2008 at 4:09pm:

Gazza,

I read the links you so kindly provided.

Geez, he must have sucked. And, I don't say that lightly.

When you NEED to do what he did to get someone to pay attention, you're best off dead.

He had some good songs

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Post by robpop on Jul 6^th, 2008 at 8:03pm

What's worse, taking a dump on stage, and rubbing it on yourself, or paying to watch somebody take a dump on stage and rub it on theirself?

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Post by homesickjameswilliamson on Jul 6^th, 2008 at 8:10pm

I chose mine in terms of drug abuse and how they could and couldnt handle it, hence not goin for keith, cos at least he went for the best stuff and played etc

but you forgot, as mentioned above GG Allin, and also Iggy Pop! he had a terrible time, tho he was never relly self destructive, except when he was really down in the dumps circa 75

you also forgot probly one of the most, along with morrison i'd say, Bob Dylan! his whole life is tryna escape the fame of bob dylan and destroying himself and ppl around him because of it, also he was on heroin, coke and speed for like 2 years straight pretty much, lol, im sure he slept sometime tho, but he was buzzed thru 65/66 kinda thing - then theres the alcoholism thing in later life

HJW

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Post by left shoe shuffle on Jul 6^th, 2008 at 8:40pm

homesickjameswilliamson wrote on Jul 6^th, 2008 at 8:10pm:

you also forgot probly one of the most, along with morrison i'd say, Bob Dylan! his whole life is tryna escape the fame of bob dylan and destroying himself and ppl around him because of it, also he was on heroin, coke and speed for like 2 years straight pretty much, lol, im sure he slept sometime tho, but he was buzzed thru 65/66 kinda thing - then theres the alcoholism thing in later life

Dylan's nearly 50 years into his career, so he's failed miserably at destroying himself...

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Post by fireontheplatter on Jul 6^th, 2008 at 8:41pm

robpop wrote on Jul 6^th, 2008 at 8:03pm:

What's worse, taking a dump on stage, and rubbing it on yourself, or paying to watch somebody take a dump on stage and rub it on theirself?

this is a tough question, but i am going to have to say the latter.

:paristhong

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Post by sweetcharmedlife on Jul 6^th, 2008 at 9:13pm

I don't know about most destructive. But one of the saddest among those gone too soon and one of my personal favorites who I mention any chance I get is Tommy Bolin. A world of talent gone way too soon....Don't let your mind go Post Tostie....

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Post by homesickjameswilliamson on Jul 6^th, 2008 at 9:45pm

left shoe shuffle wrote on Jul 6^th, 2008 at 8:40pm:

homesickjameswilliamson wrote on Jul 6^th, 2008 at 8:10pm:

Dylan's nearly 50 years into his career, so he's failed miserably at destroying himself...

Destroying themselves doesnt just mean early death, look whose on the list keith, still goin, and ron wood gave himself a bit of destruction thurout his life

but if you read that clinton heylin bio of dylan, behind the shades, amean he did destory himself, for example, deciding to do that never ending tour thing, it was to keep from goin crazy he said to keep his mind of rage or someting weird u'no, thats kinda tour regime at his age is self destructive

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Post by MrPleasant on Jul 6^th, 2008 at 10:07pm

Cobain wins that. No doubt about it.

Lennon also.

And Moon.

Lennon and Moon! (LA, 1974; The Lost Weekend. Can you imagine the quality of the drugs in those days? I can't even find someone to give me any damn grass in my town!)

But it doesn't get any more self destructive than tasting a fucking bullet.

Anyhow, I'd like to mention, like honorable guest, Clapton. People hate him, maybe because he's boring and rich. But he was in Cream, people! They were heavy, dude. And original. :interestingstuffronnie

I've read some chapters from his autobiography. Brutally honest in his depiction of alcohol. Funny and scary.

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Post by left shoe shuffle on Jul 6^th, 2008 at 11:33pm

homesickjameswilliamson wrote on Jul 6^th, 2008 at 9:45pm:

left shoe shuffle wrote on Jul 6^th, 2008 at 8:40pm:

homesickjameswilliamson wrote on Jul 6^th, 2008 at 8:10pm:

Dylan's nearly 50 years into his career, so he's failed miserably at destroying himself...

In your intial post you disqualified Keith because you said he could "handle it".
If you're positing that Dylan is still self destructive, it's safe to say he can "handle it", too.

As for touring at his age, Willie Nelson and BB King are doing it at a more advanced age than Dylan.

Pinetop Perkins turns 95 today, and he's still out there playing.

Self destructive?
On the contrary, it might just be what keeps 'em all going...

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Post by Gazza on Jul 7^th, 2008 at 6:18am

homesickjameswilliamson wrote on Jul 6^th, 2008 at 9:45pm:

left shoe shuffle wrote on Jul 6^th, 2008 at 8:40pm:

homesickjameswilliamson wrote on Jul 6^th, 2008 at 8:10pm:

Dylan's nearly 50 years into his career, so he's failed miserably at destroying himself...

Its obviously so self destructive that hes currently enjoying a creative peak and level of commercial success which he hasnt had for over three decades..... ::)

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Post by Gazza on Jul 7^th, 2008 at 6:29am

homesickjameswilliamson wrote on Jul 6^th, 2008 at 8:10pm:

having a addiction four decades ago and still being active today is hardly a good indication of being successfully self-destructive.

Dont know how you can say he's trying to escape 'the fame of Bob Dylan' when in the last few years hes averaged 100 shows a year in every corner of the planet for 2 decades, written the first of 3 volumes of his autobiography, issued numerous volumes of archives celebrating his past achievements. collaborated in a lengthy and high profile documentary about his life and career, hosted 75 editions of his own radio show, appeared in commercials for women's underwear and exhibited his own paintings.

While he values his own privacy, he certainly strikes me as someone who's increasingly become more at ease with his own celebrity.

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Post by MaineMotels on Jul 7^th, 2008 at 9:52am

What about Macca?
He married Heather Mills without a prenup didn't he.
:pullanolte

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Post by Gazza on Jul 7^th, 2008 at 10:01am

Ten Thousand Motels wrote on Jul 7^th, 2008 at 9:52am:

What about Macca?
He married Heather Mills without a prenup didn't he.
:pullanolte

he got away with it, though. Fortunately for him, she didnt have a leg to stand on...

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Post by MaineMotels on Jul 7^th, 2008 at 10:15am

Gazza wrote on Jul 7^th, 2008 at 10:01am:

Ten Thousand Motels wrote on Jul 7^th, 2008 at 9:52am:

What about Macca?
He married Heather Mills without a prenup didn't he.
:pullanolte

he got away with it, though. Fortunately for him, she didnt have a leg to stand on...

Maybe not a leg....but unfortunantely for him she got plenty of cash out of him.

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Post by Gazza on Jul 7^th, 2008 at 10:25am

£24 million (plus £35,000 a year) out of a personal fortune estimated by the judge of £450 million ? (Mills claimed it was £800 million and was looking for about five times what she ended up with)

I doubt he'll miss it.

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Post by Joey on Jul 7^th, 2008 at 10:33am

" (Mills claimed it was £800 million and was looking for about five times what she ended up with) "

Gazza ......................................

" Stephen's Green " ( Out of New York ) will be performing at the Brazen Head this weekend . What time will you be arriving ?! .. 8 'ish or 9 'ish ?!

I 's needs to knows in order to make sure your pour ( with shamrock on top , of course ) is ready upon arrival .

Developing ..............................

http://www.brazenheadpub.com/events.html

www.BRAZENHEADPUB.com

" Hit Me Ronnie ! "

Skittles Joe ! ™

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Post by Joey on Jul 7^th, 2008 at 10:46am

" Fortunately for him, she didnt have a leg to stand on... "

!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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Post by Pdog on Jul 7^th, 2008 at 12:01pm

G.G Allin or Paris Hilton? Hmmm!

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Post by Gazza on Jul 7^th, 2008 at 2:49pm

Pdog wrote on Jul 7^th, 2008 at 12:01pm:

G.G Allin or Paris Hilton? Hmmm!

Both brain dead. Both full of shit.

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Post by Factory Girl on Jul 7^th, 2008 at 2:59pm

My dear comrades!!

We can't compare Iggy to GG Allin. Iggy was always premised on madness & genius intertwined. Iggy's musicial genuis and vision will outlive him and us.

GG Allin...NO freaking comment. Was he certifiably INSANE to be COMMITED? Was he ever?

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Post by Pdog on Jul 7^th, 2008 at 3:11pm

Factory Girl wrote on Jul 7^th, 2008 at 2:59pm:

I take it you know who he is now!!!
HaHa!

Comparing GG to Iggy is like comparing Oscar The Grouch to Marlon Brando...

GG wins the self destructive artist hands down, and Paris comes in 2nd, and they both spread alot of STD's....

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Post by Gazza on Jul 7^th, 2008 at 3:40pm

Factory Girl wrote on Jul 7^th, 2008 at 2:59pm:

Who's comparing their musical worth? I've never even heard a note of the guy's music. Have no wish to either.

The thread is about who was the most self destructive. Its not even close. Allin makes Iggy look like one of the Osmonds.

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Post by Pdog on Jul 7^th, 2008 at 3:46pm

wrote on Jul 5^th, 2008 at 12:45pm:

stonedinaustralia wrote on Jul 5^th, 2008 at 5:24am:

as far as I'm concerned there's a huge amount of daylight between this guy and whoever comes second

GG Allin

imho it's a no brainer - and he's not even on the list

how fake.

thats black magic marker and heinz ketchup.

nothing fake about GG, he was a truly disturbed sociapathic performer. he actually stuck a chair leg in his ass in a friends house in SF back in the day. He ended up going to SF General, my friend was shocked, he didn't realize GG was for real when he told him he could stay over. See GG wrote songs like my friend did, but this guy was not living them out. My buds band was supposed to open for GG, GG cancelled. My friends band went on to get pretty famous, they were called The Dwarves. GG is 100% for real.

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Post by ijwthstd on Jul 7^th, 2008 at 3:48pm

Pdog wrote on Jul 7^th, 2008 at 3:46pm:

wrote on Jul 5^th, 2008 at 12:45pm:

stonedinaustralia wrote on Jul 5^th, 2008 at 5:24am:

as far as I'm concerned there's a huge amount of daylight between this guy and whoever comes second

GG Allin

imho it's a no brainer - and he's not even on the list

how fake.

thats black magic marker and heinz ketchup.

He attacked Mistress Barb of Duchess De Sade. For that he should have been executed. But he was definitely the real thing for sure.

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Post by Pdog on Jul 7^th, 2008 at 3:53pm

Gazza wrote on Jul 7^th, 2008 at 3:40pm:

Factory Girl wrote on Jul 7^th, 2008 at 2:59pm:

They were many incarnations of different bands GG played with. His brother was there for the entire thing. He's also a good musician and a bit more sane. He still tours and plays with the Murder Junkies. Some of GG's stuff was catchy and funny, some flat out stunk. There was a bootleg phenomina going on around him, and he was the least bit interested anyways. There's a good Doc. that I would suggest seeing for historical and clinical purposes, for those who are mildly interested and want to see the real deal behind rock and rolls most destructive performer ever!

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Post by Gazza on Jul 7^th, 2008 at 3:57pm

Any guy whose father 'christened' him Jesus Christ Allin was going to have problems from day one.

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Post by ijwthstd on Jul 7^th, 2008 at 4:01pm

Pdog wrote on Jul 7^th, 2008 at 3:53pm:

Gazza wrote on Jul 7^th, 2008 at 3:40pm:

Factory Girl wrote on Jul 7^th, 2008 at 2:59pm:

Merle Allin is a legend in his own right. Not only for documenting GG's entire career, but many other New York gigs.

I have a DVD of Dee Dee rehearsing with GG. He was in the band for about a week.

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Post by Pdog on Jul 7^th, 2008 at 4:04pm

ijwthstd wrote on Jul 7^th, 2008 at 4:01pm:

Pdog wrote on Jul 7^th, 2008 at 3:53pm:

Gazza wrote on Jul 7^th, 2008 at 3:40pm:

Factory Girl wrote on Jul 7^th, 2008 at 2:59pm:

Merle Allin is a legend in his own right. Not only for documenting GG's entire career, but many other New York gigs.

I have a DVD of Dee Dee rehearsing with GG. He was in the band for about a week.

I saw that too... I forgot about that!

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Post by robpop on Jul 8^th, 2008 at 1:32pm

GG Allin on the Jerry Springer show. He explains a lot. Not the typical Jerry Springer bullshit. Also he meets the 17 year old Liz Mankowski for the first time. Her parents are there also.

I remember this from back in the day.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u2LvZd_9aMU

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Post by Factory Girl on Jul 8^th, 2008 at 4:18pm

Wow, I didn't know that about the Jerry Springer show.

Gives a whole new dimension to trailor trash.

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Post by Bitch on Jul 8^th, 2008 at 4:59pm

I had to choose Kurt Cobain because he committed suicide. Did Sid Vicious commit suicide as well ~ In that case it's a tie for first place.

These 2 fvckers didnt know the value of life! Suicide is a deadly mixture of self indulgence and self hate knowing that by giving in, they will die, and thats just fine coz they dont care about anything or anyone. It's sad.

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Post by BONOISLOVE on Jul 8^th, 2008 at 6:33pm

Bitch wrote on Jul 8^th, 2008 at 4:59pm:

Bitch?

Title: Re: Most Self- Destructive Artist Alive or Dead.
Post by FotiniD on Jul 9^th, 2008 at 3:52am

Bitch wrote on Jul 8^th, 2008 at 4:59pm:

Suicide is rather complex an issue, but to be honest I'm not that sure Cobain killed himself.

I mean, even without putting much faith to what that private investigator says (http://www.cobaincase.com/, those 'buy the tapes' sections really don't add to the guy's credibility), there was indeed some weird stuff going on with the case... No fingerprints found, strange positioning of the gun for a person to be able to pull the trigger, crazy levels of heroin in his blood that would be more than enough to instantly kill ten people like him before ever having the time to shoot the gun... I don't know, one too many coincidences that just don't add up.

There's more info here:

http://www.justiceforkurt.com/

Title: Re: Most Self- Destructive Artist Alive or Dead.
Post by Sioux on Jul 12^th, 2008 at 12:22pm

stonedinaustralia wrote on Jul 5^th, 2008 at 5:24am:

as far as I'm concerned there's a huge amount of daylight between this guy and whoever comes second

GG Allin

imho it's a no brainer - and he's not even on the list

Oh yeah. My vote is for him. He was absolutely sickening. I don't know how he lived as long as he did.

Title: Re: Most Self- Destructive Artist Alive or Dead.
Post by Sioux on Jul 12^th, 2008 at 12:39pm

Gazza wrote on Jul 7^th, 2008 at 3:40pm:

Factory Girl wrote on Jul 7^th, 2008 at 2:59pm:

I've never heard any of his music either---although it included punk, spoken word, country, and "Rolling Stones-influenced rock". Don't know as I want our Stones to be compared in any way to GG Allin! Kinda wish I hadn't read that part..