Y'know what?  Fuck history.  With a little fudging, it might have turned out better.  Depends on an earlier recording session for JJF, and the willingness to abandon the prejudice against putting previous singles on LPs.  But history would have thanked them:

THEIR SATANIC MAJESTIES' REQUEST  

Side 1

Jumpin' Jack Flash
Citadel
In another Land
Child of the Moon
We Love You

Side 2

She's a Rainbow
Dandelion
The Lantern
2000 Light Years from Home
2000 Man


And Charlie would have liked it better.   :areyoufuckingserious

I like TSMR, I agree, the singles around it were great, both right before and right after... so who knows, if they hadn't pushed so hard to keep up with the contemporary garage psych soind, they may have made a much better garage rock album.

i love it as it is. :boring

Really, if it had just included the single of the time, We Love You/Dandelion, it would have been ten times better. And that's coming from a guy who LOVES the record as it is.

Mickboy did much the same, except for including JJF which came much later.  However, the album was also marred by poor (over) production by the fledgling Glimmer Twins, as the eight-CD Satanic Sessions shows.  

Agree, there's a gem of an album in there amidst the murk and the poor choices for inclusion.

andrews27 wrote on Jun 19^th, 2008 at 11:31pm:

Y'know what?  Fuck history.  With a little fudging, it might have turned out better.  Depends on an earlier recording session for JJF, and the willingness to abandon the prejudice against putting previous singles on LPs.  But history would have thanked them: THEIR SATANIC MAJESTIES' REQUEST   Side 1 Jumpin' Jack Flash Citadel In another Land Child of the Moon We Love You Side 2 She's a Rainbow Dandelion The Lantern 2000 Light Years from Home 2000 Man And Charlie would have liked it better.   :areyoufuckingserious

heathen!

you must reinstate gomper immediately.

That would have made a better album, I agree.  However, it's not bad the way it is.

I love the mellotron!  Brian rocked it out.  Why doesn't anybody use it anymore?  It has a very unique sound.  

Leave it in the bins!

wrote on Jun 20^th, 2008 at 4:19pm:

Leave it in the bins!

:necrophillicpost

Really, it's one of their worst efforts ever.

:interestingstuffronnie

wrote on Jun 20^th, 2008 at 5:45pm:

Really, it's one of their worst efforts ever. :interestingstuffronnie

You're kidding, right?  It's better then ANY Stones album with Ron Wood on it.  Hell, you could make a greatest hits album with the Stones best Ron Wood era material, and Satanic Majesties is still better.  I'm not a Ronnie fan, case you couldn't tell, lol.  He contributed didly squat to the band, compared to Brian and Mick Taylor.

jdlaw wrote on Jun 20^th, 2008 at 5:54pm:

wrote on Jun 20th, 2008 at 5:45pm: Really, it's one of their worst efforts ever. :interestingstuffronnie You're kidding, right?  It's better then ANY Stones album with Ron Wood on it.  Hell, you could make a greatest hits album with the Stones best Ron Wood era material, and Satanic Majesties is still better.  I'm not a Ronnie fan, case you couldn't tell, lol.  He contributed didly squat to the band, compared to Brian and Mick Taylor.

Oy vey! It's better than nothing. I'm not a Ronnie Basher, in case you couldn't tell. Nor am I Brian Basher but TSMR is weak at best.

wrote on Jun 20^th, 2008 at 6:08pm:

jdlaw wrote on Jun 20th, 2008 at 5:54pm: wrote on Jun 20th, 2008 at 5:45pm: Really, it's one of their worst efforts ever. :interestingstuffronnie You're kidding, right?  It's better then ANY Stones album with Ron Wood on it.  Hell, you could make a greatest hits album with the Stones best Ron Wood era material, and Satanic Majesties is still better.  I'm not a Ronnie fan, case you couldn't tell, lol.  He contributed didly squat to the band, compared to Brian and Mick Taylor. Oy vey! It's better than nothing. I'm not a Ronnie Basher, in case you couldn't tell. Nor am I Brian Basher but TSMR is weak at best.

We'll have to agree to disagree then.  IMO, 2000 Light Years, She's A Rainbow, the Citadel, plus songs from the era not on the album (We Love You, Dandelion) are better then anything the Stones have done since Taylor quit the band...times a million.  IMO.  I'm a big fan of Brians, and like I said earlier in the thread..a big fan of the mellotron.  

I like the first 2 songs you mentioned & I agree that the singles that weren't included would have helped quite a bit but that album was made when Brian was going crazy & I think Mick & Keith just humored him. I'll have to ask IanBillen.

Keith said the album "was made under the influence of bail," i.e. they weren't focused and, like I said, were just learning the ropes as producers.  Yes, they made a few bad decisions, but there's good stuff in there.

How can you include JJF when it wasnt even conceived? Dandelion would have fitted perfectly. And We love you would have replaced easily the short verision of "Sing this song all together".

I havent even got this on cd. It's mainly crap, and out dated crap at that. I've toyed with the idea of getting the ABCKO masters, but then again, i've toyed with the idea of homsexuality, suicide and being a right wing conservative too.

corgi37 wrote on Jun 21^st, 2008 at 7:51am:

How can you include JJF when it wasnt even conceived? Dandelion would have fitted perfectly. And We love you would have replaced easily the short verision of "Sing this song all together". I havent even got this on cd. It's mainly crap, and out dated crap at that. I've toyed with the idea of getting the ABCKO masters, but then again, i've toyed with the idea of homsexuality, suicide and being a right wing conservative too.

Out dated compared to what?  Current music?  I'll take "out dated" 1960's music over the shize they call music these days 101% of the time.  

I think there is a great album in there.... I have always loved it..... a better choice of tracks would have done the trick..... for a punchier lineup this is what I have burned and listen too... more of an up vibe to it.... but I only include nine tracks. 'Side 2' would have been complete for me with another spacey number in the third slot. If only the vaults would open...

We love you
Dandelion
Citadel
2000 man
Child of the moon

She's a rainbow
The Lantern
?
Gomper
2000 light years

exotic sounds, intersting modes, great rhythms, well recorded.... I think their brilliance shines through. Brian glows on the mellotron. The dude added some superb touches.

jdlaw wrote on Jun 21^st, 2008 at 9:09am:

corgi37 wrote on Jun 21st, 2008 at 7:51am: How can you include JJF when it wasnt even conceived? Dandelion would have fitted perfectly. And We love you would have replaced easily the short verision of "Sing this song all together". I havent even got this on cd. It's mainly crap, and out dated crap at that. I've toyed with the idea of getting the ABCKO masters, but then again, i've toyed with the idea of homsexuality, suicide and being a right wing conservative too. Out dated compared to what?  Current music?  I'll take "out dated" 1960's music over the shize they call music these days 101% of the time.

Current music is a mess. I meant what the Stones did later but we've already agreed to disagree on the merits of Mr. Wood.

Child of the Moon wrote on Jun 20^th, 2008 at 2:43am:

Really, if it had just included the single of the time, We Love You/Dandelion, it would have been ten times better. And that's coming from a guy who LOVES the record as it is.

This.

wrote on Jun 20^th, 2008 at 6:28pm:

I like the first 2 songs you mentioned & I agree that the singles that weren't included would have helped quite a bit but that album was made when Brian was going crazy & I think Mick & Keith just humored him. I'll have to ask IanBillen.

Hey, whoa. Brian was the one who didn't want to go in the "psychedelic" direction in the first place! He felt it was "not them" and too far from their blues roots. Having said that, though, I think Brian stepped up to the plate and added the instruments/sounds that would make those songs work. I do like the album. It's a different sounding Stones, but Stones none-the-less.

andrews27 wrote on Jun 19^th, 2008 at 11:31pm:

Y'know what?  Fuck history.  With a little fudging, it might have turned out better.  Depends on an earlier recording session for JJF, and the willingness to abandon the prejudice against putting previous singles on LPs.  But history would have thanked them: THEIR SATANIC MAJESTIES' REQUEST   Side 1 Jumpin' Jack Flash Citadel In another Land Child of the Moon We Love You Side 2 She's a Rainbow Dandelion The Lantern 2000 Light Years from Home 2000 Man And Charlie would have liked it better.   :areyoufuckingserious

Hey that's great.  I agree, that would have been an excellent album.  I never cared for most of TSMR.

jdlaw wrote on Jun 21^st, 2008 at 9:09am:

Out dated compared to what?  Current music?  I'll take "out dated" 1960's music over the shize they call music these days 101% of the time.

joshie?

JOSHIE??? IS IT REALLY YOU???

and in disguise, even????

could you do me a favor and start a "mick T vs ronnie" thread? we need some new ideas around here!!

Starbuck wrote on Jun 22^nd, 2008 at 10:04am:

jdlaw wrote on Jun 21st, 2008 at 9:09am: Out dated compared to what?  Current music?  I'll take "out dated" 1960's music over the shize they call music these days 101% of the time.   joshie? JOSHIE??? IS IT REALLY YOU??? and in disguise, even???? could you do me a favor and start a "mick T vs ronnie" thread? we need some new ideas around here!!

What would be the point?   Anyone with ears knows Ronnie can't hold Mick Taylor's jock strap!   :wow

It's an inside joke.  "Joshie" is a Taylor freak.  :smile

Zack wrote on Jun 22^nd, 2008 at 6:50pm:

It's an inside joke.  "Joshie" is a Taylor freak.  :smile

Gotch yah.  

corgi37 wrote on Jun 21^st, 2008 at 7:51am:

How can you include JJF when it wasnt even conceived? .

Description says, "Depends on earlier recording date for JJF," which is included b/c of its single status and its earlier-recorded B-side.  It's different from the album style, but could have been followed by Citadel to good effect.

I could have included Gomper, but really I can't decide whether the equally sucky In Another Land shouldn't get preference on historical grounds.

You all have the raw materials - make your own mix and see.  Be sure the volume more-or-less matches on all cuts, or the unity will be lost.

Starbuck wrote on Jun 22^nd, 2008 at 10:04am:

jdlaw wrote on Jun 21st, 2008 at 9:09am: Out dated compared to what?  Current music?  I'll take "out dated" 1960's music over the shize they call music these days 101% of the time.   joshie? JOSHIE??? IS IT REALLY YOU??? and in disguise, even???? could you do me a favor and start a "mick T vs ronnie" thread? we need some new ideas around here!!

jdlaw=jewish defense league american wing?

sound arguments but grammer, spelling and syntax raise questions........

mojoman wrote on Jun 25^th, 2008 at 4:57pm:

Starbuck wrote on Jun 22nd, 2008 at 10:04am: jdlaw wrote on Jun 21st, 2008 at 9:09am: Out dated compared to what?  Current music?  I'll take "out dated" 1960's music over the shize they call music these days 101% of the time.   joshie? JOSHIE??? IS IT REALLY YOU??? and in disguise, even???? could you do me a favor and start a "mick T vs ronnie" thread? we need some new ideas around here!! jdlaw=jewish defense league american wing? sound arguments but grammer, spelling and syntax raise questions........

Sieg heil grammer police!   Actually, it's just the initials of my name.  I'd rather my argument be sound anyway.