I was wondering who here saw Iggy Pop on his last tour with The Stooges and as well how they were. I read they were really good. I am a big Iggy Pop fan and I regret not ever getting the chance to see him. What do you feel the odds are of him/them touring again. I am assuming he will (hopefully with the stooges).

BTW: Avenue B is a true gift. What a unique, personal, well produced album.


Ian

Ian,

Iggy (& Stooges) are playing the Virgin Festival this year.   I'm not going because I don't like the festival format...I've no interest in seeing other crap that participates.

Yes, Avenue B is a gem indeed.  :keithpunky

http://www.iggypop.org

I saw the Stooges last tour and reviewed it here.  Others did also.  I'm sure the reviews are in the archives.

Edith Grove wrote on May 29^th, 2008 at 5:51am:

http://www.iggypop.org

Thanks!

And I love the name. I know it has something to do with a street or address concerning The Stones but what is the exact significance of "Edith Grove"?

By the way, I wish I was in Europe this summer. I would go see them.


Ian

lotsajizz wrote on May 29^th, 2008 at 5:57am:

I saw the Stooges last tour and reviewed it here.  Others did also.  I'm sure the reviews are in the archives.

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Ok. How about your thoughts right now looking back at the show.


Ian

Factory Girl wrote on May 29^th, 2008 at 5:41am:

Ian, Iggy (& Stooges) are playing the Virgin Festival this year.   I'm not going because I don't like the festival format...I've no interest in seeing other crap that participates. Yes, Avenue B is a gem indeed.  :keithpunky

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Avenue B is indeed a precious gift. Produced by Don Was as well (current Stones producer).

If you like his work I very STRONGLY suggest checking out The Black Crowes Lions album. It is nothing short of excellent.

Very powerful Zepplin-esk guitars. Beatles like song writing towards the end. Gems of Southern Harmony style tunes here and again.

Thick, very powerful production.

*Also the mixing on a few numbers such as "Losing My Mind" is nothing short of spectacular.

...and I am not even a Black Crowes Fan really. Well, I do think the stuff I hear from War Paint sounds decent. However, I was never a fan of anything before Lions. I am still no Black Crowes "fan" but I think the LIONS album is really good and the production on it is fantastic.

Ian

I helped catch Iggy @ Stooges in Sf as he dove off the stage...

I have a pic of it, my arm is the most tan arm, with a barely visible German Eagle on it...


http://i94.photobucket.com/albums/l83/pdogsf/superiggy.jpg

Pdog wrote on May 30^th, 2008 at 2:43am:

I helped catch Iggy @ Stooges in Sf as he dove off the stage... I have a pic of it, my arm is the most tan arm, with a barely visible German Eagle on it... http://i94.photobucket.com/albums/l83/pdogsf/superiggy.jpg

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I see it. Well Pdog For the first time in our long and torrential relationship I actually envy you. Who took that pic?

I would simply die (and no I am not gay lol) to be able to say that I caught Iggy in one of his famous stage dives.

Iggy is a King. He is as cool, well almost as cool, and as "authentically real" as Keith but in a different way entirely.


And by the way, have you heard Lions? (by The Black Crowes). I did not care for them too much entirely before I heard Lions. Too much of a generic sounding Faces/Stones gig for my taste (but not as good) but Lions blows my socks off.

Ian

I hope! He's great

Ian Billen wrote on May 30^th, 2008 at 1:40am:

Edith Grove wrote on May 29th, 2008 at 5:51am: http://www.iggypop.org Thanks! And I love the name. I know it has something to do with a street or address concerning The Stones but what is the exact significance of "Edith Grove"? By the way, I wish I was in Europe this summer. I would go see them. Ian

The address is 102 Edith Grove. That's where Jones, Jagger & Richards shared a flat with another guy named James Phelge.
Keith described the flat as "what a dump, a beautiful dump."

http://www.rocksoff.org/james.htm

Edith Grove wrote on May 30^th, 2008 at 5:24am:

Ian Billen wrote on May 30th, 2008 at 1:40am: Edith Grove wrote on May 29th, 2008 at 5:51am: http://www.iggypop.org Thanks! And I love the name. I know it has something to do with a street or address concerning The Stones but what is the exact significance of "Edith Grove"? By the way, I wish I was in Europe this summer. I would go see them. Ian The address is 102 Edith Grove. That's where Jones, Jagger & Richards shared a flat with another guy named James Phelge. Keith described the flat as "what a dump, a beautiful dump." http://www.rocksoff.org/james.htm

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I see. any relation to "Nanker Pheldge"? Do you know what time frame in which they shared this flat? Also was their any recordings/writing that you know of that were commenced at that location?

Nanker Pheldge, as you know is a silly writing credit given to ...hmmm I think, Time Is On My Side? Right? I know it was from a track that was also on High Tide and Green Grass. I think it was either that song or Play With Fire? I forget. I kinda believe it was Time Is On My Side but I'm not sure. Also I am not sure of why they credited the song as such? Was it due to this guy named James Pheldge I am supposing? I thought the credit was done as more-over a joke? Can you fill me in someone?


Ian

Theres a good 15 dates for this year i think, im goin to see them soon 16th June in dublin, the kills and stiff little fingers are supporting! i cant wait, guna get up on stage!!

then after that neil young then tom waits!!

only dylan and patti smtih left!!


HJW

Factory Girl wrote on May 29^th, 2008 at 5:41am:

Ian, Iggy (& Stooges) are playing the Virgin Festival this year.   I'm not going because I don't like the festival format...I've no interest in seeing other crap that participates. Yes, Avenue B is a gem indeed.  :keithpunky

avenue b like iggy has changed.... :funny

Ian Billen wrote on May 30^th, 2008 at 7:16am:

The address is 102 Edith Grove. That's where Jones, Jagger & Richards shared a flat with another guy named James Phelge.
Keith described the flat as "what a dump, a beautiful dump."

http://www.rocksoff.org/james.htm[/quote]
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I see. any relation to "Nanker Pheldge"? Do you know what time frame in which they shared this flat? Also was their any recordings/writing that you know of that were commenced at that location?

Nanker Pheldge, as you know is a silly writing credit given to ...hmmm I think, Time Is On My Side? Right? I know it was from a track that was also on High Tide and Green Grass. I think it was either that song or Play With Fire? I forget. I kinda believe it was Time Is On My Side but I'm not sure. Also I am not sure of why they credited the song as such? Was it due to this guy named James Pheldge I am supposing? I thought the credit was done as more-over a joke? Can you fill me in someone?


Ian[/quote]

There are others that know much more than I, but here's what I believe to be true:

A "Nanker" was a repulsive face that Jones/Richards used to pull in the early days and Phelge was, of course, their roommate.
"Nanker Phelge" was a pseudonym used to credit a group effort in songwriting.

Time Is On My Side was credited to Norman Meade, which was, it seems, a pseudonym for Jerry Ragovoy. TIOMS was also released a month or two before the Stones version by this young lady:

http://images.amazon.com/images/P/B0000013B0.01._SCLZZZZZZZ_.jpg

I don't know the exact dates that Jones/Jagger/Richards lived at Edith Grove, but I believe it to be around the time leading up to, or including the first album.

BTW, this is almost a Nanker: :hilarious If anyone has a good pic of real Nanker by one of the boys, I'd love to see it.

You got it right, Edith Grove. Brian, Mick, Keith, and Jimmy Phelge lived at 102 Edith Grove from '62-'63. It was the coldest winter in London in 100 years. The flat was horrid---dirty, cold {they had to feed the heat "meter" with coins, when they had them, to get any heat at all}. There was a communal bathroom--shared by other tenants. Mick was still in school, at the London School of Economics. Brian couldn't keep a job for long, and Keith didn't even try to work. They lived off a small stipend Mick got through the school, and the occasional food that Keith's mum sent them. They would steal potatoes from the grocers, and milk from the front doors of the other renters. Brian said he would never eat a potato again, after they finally got a bit of fame and fortune! It was at this time that Brian and Keith spent all day under the covers, perfecting their "ancient art of weaving"....they would often play guitars until their fingers bled. Phelge was a lovable, but disgusting guy. lol He would put his dirty underpants on his head and greet visitors at the top of the stairs. They would all cough up gobs of phelgm and spit it on the walls, often naming their "creations". When the dished got dirty, instead of washing them, they would just throw them out the window! {it was a first floor flat, which is the second floor of the building}. Their bedsheets were filthy. It was a long, cold, hard winter. The Beatles actually visited the boys at Edith Grove one night---after they had come down from Liverpool to see a club gig.

One of the best Stones books I've read is the one by James Phelge, "Nankering with the Rolling Stones". It is a great read! I highly recommend it....:)

By the way, Brian was the one who came up with the Nanker Phelge name for crediting the entire band with a composition. Yes, a nanker is an ugly face, usually involving fingers pulling at the skin around the eyes and the nostrils. And the Phelge is in hommage of Jimmy Phelge...

http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y248/merrillm123/Nankers.jpg

Ha ha! GOOD nankers.... :hilarious

Pdog wrote on May 30^th, 2008 at 2:43am:

I helped catch Iggy @ Stooges in Sf as he dove off the stage... I have a pic of it, my arm is the most tan arm, with a barely visible German Eagle on it... http://i94.photobucket.com/albums/l83/pdogsf/superiggy.jpg

do you remember when iggy did a show with our dearly departed/transitioned SS? those were the days! iggs called SS up on stage and vacated it for a 15 minute tamborine solo...think bonzo on "moby dick" off song remains the same.

or something like that. i forget...the details are hazy.

Sioux wrote on Jun 2^nd, 2008 at 10:42pm:

You got it right, Edith Grove. Brian, Mick, Keith, and Jimmy Phelge lived at 102 Edith Grove from '62-'63. It was the coldest winter in London in 100 years. The flat was horrid---dirty, cold {they had to feed the heat "meter" with coins, when they had them, to get any heat at all}. There was a communal bathroom--shared by other tenants. Mick was still in school, at the London School of Economics. Brian couldn't keep a job for long, and Keith didn't even try to work. They lived off a small stipend Mick got through the school, and the occasional food that Keith's mum sent them. They would steal potatoes from the grocers, and milk from the front doors of the other renters. Brian said he would never eat a potato again, after they finally got a bit of fame and fortune! It was at this time that Brian and Keith spent all day under the covers, perfecting their "ancient art of weaving"....they would often play guitars until their fingers bled. Phelge was a lovable, but disgusting guy. lol He would put his dirty underpants on his head and greet visitors at the top of the stairs. They would all cough up gobs of phelgm and spit it on the walls, often naming their "creations". When the dished got dirty, instead of washing them, they would just throw them out the window! {it was a first floor flat, which is the second floor of the building}. Their bedsheets were filthy. It was a long, cold, hard winter. The Beatles actually visited the boys at Edith Grove one night---after they had come down from Liverpool to see a club gig.

The very place...
http://i8.photobucket.com/albums/a36/Gazza63/london03j-2.jpg

Gazza wrote on Jun 3^rd, 2008 at 2:09pm:

Sioux wrote on Jun 2nd, 2008 at 10:42pm: You got it right, Edith Grove. Brian, Mick, Keith, and Jimmy Phelge lived at 102 Edith Grove from '62-'63. It was the coldest winter in London in 100 years. The flat was horrid---dirty, cold {they had to feed the heat "meter" with coins, when they had them, to get any heat at all}. There was a communal bathroom--shared by other tenants. Mick was still in school, at the London School of Economics. Brian couldn't keep a job for long, and Keith didn't even try to work. They lived off a small stipend Mick got through the school, and the occasional food that Keith's mum sent them. They would steal potatoes from the grocers, and milk from the front doors of the other renters. Brian said he would never eat a potato again, after they finally got a bit of fame and fortune! It was at this time that Brian and Keith spent all day under the covers, perfecting their "ancient art of weaving"....they would often play guitars until their fingers bled. Phelge was a lovable, but disgusting guy. lol He would put his dirty underpants on his head and greet visitors at the top of the stairs. They would all cough up gobs of phelgm and spit it on the walls, often naming their "creations". When the dished got dirty, instead of washing them, they would just throw them out the window! {it was a first floor flat, which is the second floor of the building}. Their bedsheets were filthy. It was a long, cold, hard winter. The Beatles actually visited the boys at Edith Grove one night---after they had come down from Liverpool to see a club gig. The very place... http://i8.photobucket.com/albums/a36/Gazza63/london03j-2.jpg

Yep. :) Looks very decent now, on the outside. And I know what flats are going for in the Chelsea district now! :o

Hope you kept  one eye on the first floor window, Gazza, as you stood there....who knows? A dirty plate could have come crashing down on your head! >:( ::) :P

its quite a respectable area, even though the flats do look like theyve seen better days. Any property in Chelsea doesnt come cheap!

I couldnt remember which number it was and was wandering around  when a local builder saw our Stones t-shirts, instantly knew what we were looking for and said "its that one - number 102"!


Oddly enough, the Edith Grove flat is little more than a b-stage stroll  away from the more luxurious townhouses that Mick and Keith would buy in Cheyne Walk barely six years later.

Heart Of Stone wrote on Jun 3^rd, 2008 at 10:04am:

http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y248/merrillm123/Nankers.jpg

Yeah, HOS! Thanks!
Now could you imagine what a Nanker would look like on Keith today?

http://images.amazon.com/images/P/B0000013B0.01._SCLZZZZZZZ_.jpg

her take of TIOMS  fantastic - allan toussaint produced i understand - as much as i love the stones version this just leaves them deep in the shade (imho)

Gazza wrote on Jun 3^rd, 2008 at 7:04pm:

its quite a respectable area, even though the flats do look like theyve seen better days. Any property in Chelsea doesnt come cheap! I couldnt remember which number it was and was wandering around  when a local builder saw our Stones t-shirts, instantly knew what we were looking for and said "its that one - number 102"! Oddly enough, the Edith Grove flat is little more than a b-stage stroll  away from the more luxurious townhouses that Mick and Keith would buy in Cheyne Walk barely six years later.

I've never been there, but I did have the feeling that the Cheyne Walk area was not too far away...very interesting. Thanks Gazza...:)

checking out edith grove and Cheyne Walk was one of many highlights of my visit to the UK

and on the topic of iggy on the road - here's his rider from the smoking gun

http://www.thesmokinggun.com/backstagetour/iggypop/iggypop1.html

stonedinaustralia wrote on Jun 3^rd, 2008 at 11:16pm:

checking out edith grove and Cheyne Walk was one of many highlights of my visit to the UK and on the topic of iggy on the road - here's his rider from the smoking gun http://www.thesmokinggun.com/backstagetour/iggypop/iggypop1.html

funny!!!

Iggy & The Stooges in NYC, 8/8 - www.terminal5nyc.com/calendar/show/1689/

Check out the romantic side of Iggy:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M4v4DXLqm48

Hi Ian,

I have BC "Lions" somewhere.  I'll try to find it.  Do you have it?  

I like BC ok, but not a huge fan.  


Btw, I don't like the down-hill slide of Kate Moss since she left Chris R.


FG!

Factory Girl wrote on Jun 25^th, 2008 at 6:07am:

Btw, I don't like the down-hill slide of Kate Moss since she left Chris R.

Think you mean Kate Hudson.

Could be wrong though.
I'm so outta the TMZ loop...

I suppose the Unholy Trinity is Omnipresent and cannot under any circumstances technically hijack a thread, or even be told off in the unlikely event of doing so ?????  ;)  ;)  ;)


Ian, back to your question: I don't know when Iggy Pop will tour again, but I caught him on the Isle of Wight Festival two weekends ago, and I honestly don't think he should. I'll give him my thumbs-up any day for stamina, energy and sweat-gland power, and I'm sure he's a nice man, but the music was shit, I'd rather see Gazza's favourite artist, Jon Bon Jovi....
:blankfriggingstare1

Stooges rule...awesome rock, scares the folks old in soul

Factory Girl wrote on Jun 25^th, 2008 at 6:07am:

Hi Ian, I have BC "Lions" somewhere.  I'll try to find it.  Do you have it?   I like BC ok, but not a huge fan.   Btw, I don't like the down-hill slide of Kate Moss since she left Chris R. FG!

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DO I HAVE THE BLACK CROWES LIONS ???...!!!!!!!

Have it, I ADORE it. The production is amazing. If you want a thick, Zepplin-esk, meaty, powerful guitar sound, with Beatle-esk songwriting towards the end of the album, mixed with a few good Black Crowes Southern Style Rock tunes ....  You have come to the right place=LIONS

By the way... It may just be my favorite "sounding" album of all time from a recording/production standpoint.

Also by the way.... I was never, a Black Crowes, Beatles, or Led Zepplin real Fan. They were all alright in my book and each has material I like well enough but I was never crazy over any of them.

But Don Was took the best of these three bands and brought it out of The Black Crowes on the LIONS CD.

I still listen to it about once a week or maybe every few weeks because of the quality of the recording/production.

The mixing by Chris Lord-Alge on "Losing My Mind" is superb. The Production by Don Was is simply fantastic.

The songs are pretty good as well. Most are good enough tunes with a few pretty darn good ones in terms of songwriting. I am not nuts over the Black Crowes earlier works.

It was too generic of a Stones/Faces mix yet wasn't totally authentic, or as good.

However Don Was pulled a sound out of The Crowes I did not think was possible. Great Album.


Ian

left shoe shuffle wrote on Jun 10^th, 2008 at 7:48pm:

Iggy & The Stooges in NYC, 8/8 - www.terminal5nyc.com/calendar/show/1689/

I have tickets for this one. I'd heard Terminal 5 was a basement hellhole with a 400 max crowd space, but it looks more like Studio 54 or the Limelight...
http://www.terminal5nyc.com/events/
and it has an "outdoor roof area" - shades of Danceteria!

Speaking of Danceteria...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mUZNssMDf4g  8-)