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Title: [NSC] Why Obama is Unfit to Be President Post by Wild Bill on May 19th, 2008 at 12:04pm
1. He's a pussy.
(from Yahoo News) Carrie Budoff Brown Mon May 19, 5:37 AM ET MILWAUKIE, Ore. -- Concerned about appearing presumptuous or antagonistic towards Hillary Rodham Clinton, Barack Obama will not declare victory in the Democratic nomination fight Tuesday in the event he wins enough pledged delegates to claim a majority. Rather, he'll tiptoe right up to the line, without explicitly asserting the race is over. While it may sound like an exercise in hair-splitting, the conscious decision not to declare victory is a revealing measure of the sensitivity surrounding overtures that appear to disrespect Clinton and her supporters. It's also a reflection of the Obama campaign's supreme confidence in the delegate math at this juncture -- the campaign now appears secure enough in its commanding position that it no longer feels compelled to declare victory in an attempt to marginalize Clinton. That marks a departure from the stance the Obama campaign took after his blowout win in North Carolina and narrow loss in Indiana May 6. An Obama senior adviser, who asked that his name be withheld to speak candidly, told Politico the next day: "On May 20, we're going to declare victory." Three days after those contests, Obama hinted that amassing the majority of pledged delegates following Tuesday's Kentucky and Oregon primary elections meant his campaign could claim victory. "That will be an important day," Obama told NBC's Brian Williams when asked if he would declare victory after the May 20 Kentucky and North Carolina primaries. "If at that point we have the majority of pledged delegates, which is possible, then I think we can make a pretty strong claim that we've got the most runs and it's the ninth inning and we've won." The NBC quote was widely interpreted as a move by Obama to end to the race, but context was missing: He went on to state that he wants to "let this play out." After an ABC News blog used Obama's NBC quote to question whether he was making a "huge miscalculation," the campaign sought a clarification, which was posted, saying Obama was not talking about winning the nomination but rather an "important metric." Indeed, Obama aides have spent the last week trying to reverse the perception that he will declare victory May 20 -- saying instead that he will simply recognize a milestone -- in an attempt at message-shifting that underscores the sensitive nature of this phase of the campaign. When asked again Wednesday whether he still planned to declare victory following the results from Oregon and Kentucky, Obama dispatched the suggestion with a cool stare. "We will declare that we have the majority of pledged delegates," Obama said, giving the question only three seconds of his time before pivoting towards the front cabin of his campaign plane. Obama said Sunday that he has not sent mixed messages. "What we have consistently said is that we will have the majority of pledged delegates at that point and obviously ware going to make the argument to any superdelegates remaining that we should be the nominee," Obama said. "But until those pledged delegates actually commit to us, we won't have achieved that number yet." Although not declaring victory, Obama is returning to Iowa May 20, the state that launched his campaign, offering a symbolic bookend to the primary season. He acknowledged Sunday that holding his rally there Tuesday was a "terrific way to kind of bring things full circle." "We still have some contests left, but if Kentucky and Oregon go as we hope, then we think we will have a majority of pledged delegates at that point, and that's a pretty significant mark," Obama told reporters at an ice cream shop. "That means that after contests in every state, or almost every state and the territories, we have received the majority of the delegates that are assigned by voters." A moment later, though, he emphasized he was not claiming victory. "It doesn't mean we declare victory because I won't be the nominee until we have enough of a combination of both pledged delegates and superdelegates to hit the mark. But what it does mean is that voters have given us the majority of delegates that they can assign. And obviously that is what this primary and caucus process is about." Obama spokeswoman Jen Psaki said the senator will campaign in the two remaining primary states and perhaps Puerto Rico -- a move that contradicts suggestions that he views the race as over. At the heart of the bid to steer reporters from the he-will-declare-victory narrative is a recognition that Clinton, who trails by a historically small margin, claims millions of supporters who don't want her unceremoniously pushed out of the race. And the Democratic party views its chances in November as dependent upon its ability to reunite these opposing camps. "Right now, it is all about unifying the party," said Peter Fenn, a Democratic strategist unaffiliated with either campaign. "This election should be won by the Democrats if the Democrats unite behind a candidate. The one hope that McCain has is if the party splits. For Obama, who has so far been very concerned about antagonizing Clinton's supporters, you are walking a fine line." Not to mention the fact that the Clinton campaign refuses to recognize the Obama math, stoking an intra-campaign conflict at a time when both candidates are avoiding personal attacks. |
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Title: Re: [NSC] Why Obama is Unfit to Be President Post by Wild Bill on May 19th, 2008 at 12:11pm
2. He doesn't understand economics.
Obama's 'Patriot' Act February 27, 2008; Page A16 No, we're not talking about Barack Obama's opposition to the post-9/11 antiterror law. We're referring to the Senator's support for something called the Patriot Employer Act, which deserves more attention as an indicator of his economic agenda. Along with Democratic co-sponsors Sherrod Brown and Dick Durbin, Mr. Obama introduced the bill in the Senate in August 2007. Recently in Janesville, Wis., he repeated his intention to make it a priority as President: "We will end the tax breaks for companies who ship our jobs overseas, and we will give those breaks to companies who create good jobs with decent wages right here in America." Mr. Obama's proposal would designate certain companies as "patriot employers" and favor them over other, presumably not so patriotic, businesses. The legislation takes four pages to define "patriotic" companies as those that: "pay at least 60 percent of each employee's health care premiums"; have a position of "neutrality in employee [union] organizing drives"; "maintain or increase the number of full-time workers in the United States relative to the number of full-time workers outside of the United States"; pay a salary to each employee "not less than an amount equal to the federal poverty level"; and provide a pension plan. In other words, a patriotic employer is one which fulfills the fondest Big Labor agenda, regardless of the competitive implications. The proposal ignores the marketplace reality that businesses hire a work force they can afford to pay and still make money. Coercing companies into raising wages and benefits above market rates may only lead to fewer workers getting hired in the first place. Under Mr. Obama's plan, "patriot employers" qualify for a 1% tax credit on their profits. To finance this tax break, American companies with subsidiaries abroad would have to pay the U.S. corporate tax on profits earned abroad, rather than the corporate tax of the host country where they are earned. Since the U.S. corporate tax rate is 35%, while most of the world has a lower rate, this amounts to a big tax increase on earnings owned abroad. Put another way, U.S. companies would suddenly have to pay a higher tax rate than their Chinese, Japanese and European competitors. According to research by Peter Merrill, an international tax expert at PriceWaterhouseCoopers, this change would "raise the cost of capital of U.S. multinationals and cause them to lose market share to foreign rivals." Apparently Mr. Obama believes that by making U.S. companies less profitable and less competitive world-wide, they will somehow be able to create more jobs in America. He has it backwards: The offshore activities of U.S. companies tend to increase rather than reduce domestic business. A 2005 National Bureau of Economic Research study by economists from Harvard and the University of Michigan found that more foreign investment by U.S. companies leads to greater domestic investment, and that U.S. firms' hiring of more offshore workers is positively, not negatively, associated with the number of American workers they hire. That's in part because often what is produced overseas by subsidiaries are component parts to final, higher-value-added products manufactured here. Mr. Obama is also proposing to raise tax rates on affluent individuals, as well as on capital gains and dividends. This would also lead to more capital and jobs leaving the U.S. The after-tax return on U.S. investment would fall appreciably if these tax hikes were adopted, and no amount of tax-credit subsidy will keep capital from fleeing to lower tax jurisdictions. If the U.S. didn't impose the second highest corporate income tax rate in the world, companies would have less incentive to move jobs overseas. Rather than giving politically correct companies a 1% tax credit, it makes more sense to reduce the U.S. corporate tax rate for everyone -- by at least 10 percentage points to the global average. Economists have long understood that companies don't really pay taxes; they merely collect them. A study by the American Enterprise Institute has shown that U.S. workers bear the cost of the corporate income tax in lower wages and salaries. To borrow Mr. Obama's language, what's really unpatriotic is the 35% U.S. corporate tax rate. http://online.wsj.com/article/SB120407121574294919.html?mod=opinion_main_review_and_outlooks |
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Title: Re: [NSC] Why Obama is Unfit to Be President Post by robpop on May 19th, 2008 at 12:13pm |
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Title: Re: [NSC] Why Obama is Unfit to Be President Post by Wild Bill on May 19th, 2008 at 2:19pm robpop wrote on May 19th, 2008 at 12:13pm: Another reason to have a Politics or "Fightin'" Forum. Wild Bill wrote on May 9th, 2008 at 9:51am:
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Title: Re: [NSC] Why Obama is Unfit to Be President Post by Pdog on May 19th, 2008 at 2:19pm
Hillary staying in, and even her obvious attempt to see he loses to McCain, is really telling of how lame, fucked up, and useless democrats are, and how utlra-mega lame she is.... Where was she when Kerry ran? She didn't want him to win either. Got to hand it to Republicans, at least they get behind their candidate, despite not liking him so much!!!
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Title: Re: [NSC] Why Obama is Unfit to Be President Post by TenThousandMotels on May 19th, 2008 at 2:59pm Pdog wrote on May 19th, 2008 at 2:19pm:
Fuck the politicians. Let 'em all eat red ink....or get a lethal injection of the stuff. |
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Title: Re: [NSC] Why Obama is Unfit to Be President Post by ijwthstd on May 19th, 2008 at 3:20pm
He also seems kinda shady.
(And by "shady," I mean "black.) ;) ;) ;) ;) ;) ;) ;) ;) ;) ;) ;) ;) ;) ;) ;) ;) ;) ;) ;) ;) ;) ;) ;) ;) ;) ;) ;) ;) ;) ;) ;) ;) |
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Title: Re: [NSC] Why Obama is Unfit to Be President Post by robpop on May 19th, 2008 at 4:21pm Wild Bill wrote on May 19th, 2008 at 2:19pm:
Was another thread really necessary? Christ, there must be at least 15 Obama threads. I got carried away beating my dead horse f(everybody knows what I am talking about), and I am sorry. Please stop beating this one. :warhorse |
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Title: Re: [NSC] Why Obama is Unfit to Be President Post by robpop on May 19th, 2008 at 4:46pm Wild Bill wrote on May 9th, 2008 at 9:51am:
Answer B. Sure I may participate in the football thread. However, only one football thread was created last yeat and it went on until it maxed out, then a new one was created. Your posts would have been just fine if added on the the 7 or 8 all ready existing Obama threads. I am looking foreward to your Hillary is a bitch thread tomorrow. :interestingstuffronnie |
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Title: Re: [NSC] Why Obama is Unfit to Be President Post by mojoman on May 19th, 2008 at 5:48pm ijwthstd wrote on May 19th, 2008 at 3:20pm:
slim shady? |
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Title: Re: [NSC] Why Obama is Unfit to Be President Post by Riffhard on May 19th, 2008 at 6:43pm
The list as to why this neophyte is unfit is endless. However, one of my main concerns about the man is that he so strongly believes that the federal government is the answer to all social ills. He is a flat out Marxist and the fact that so few know that about him scares the hell out of me.
He also said this today in freakishly leftarded Oregon. "We can't drive our SUVs and eat as much as we want and keep our homes on 72 degrees at all times ... and then just expect that other countries are going to say OK," Obama said. "That's not leadership. That's not going to happen," he added. So this fucking asshole is now going to tell me what kind of car I can drive?! He's going to mandate the setting of my thermostat?! He's going to tell me how much I can eat?! Here's an idea you stupid fuck. Why don't you try promoting capitalism and free market solutions to the backasswards countries that are lagging behind the USA. Instead of trying to limit our way of life why don't you promote upward mobility across the globe! FUCK HIM!!! He will ruin this country, and mark my words. Everyone that is slamming Bush today will be begging for another Bush should this assshole get into office. As crazy as that may sound I can assure you that Obama will be ten times the disaster that so many people perceive Bush to be. Google Saul Alinsky and read what he's all about. Once you've digested that Marxist bullshit. Then remember that Barrack Obama is a Saul Alinsky acolyte of the worst kind. This man isn't qualified to be a fucking dogcatcher much less POTUS. Too bad there are so many ignorant voters out there. Riffy |
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Title: Re: [NSC] Why Obama is Unfit to Be President Post by andrews27 on May 19th, 2008 at 7:21pm
Regardless of who wins top slot at the Democratic Convention, you can count on a Clinton presidency either in November or later.
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Title: Re: [NSC] Why Obama is Unfit to Be President Post by Marty on May 19th, 2008 at 7:36pm Riffhard wrote on May 19th, 2008 at 6:43pm:
It's actually really worse than that, I'm a firm believer that Obama is Joseph Stalin reincarnation... And it is so scary that nobody wants to believe me... But I KNOW. |
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Title: Re: [NSC] Why Obama is Unfit to Be President Post by Pdog on May 19th, 2008 at 9:29pm Marty wrote on May 19th, 2008 at 7:36pm:
So much for our treaty with Germany!!! |
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Title: Re: [NSC] Why Obama is Unfit to Be President Post by ijwthstd on May 20th, 2008 at 11:38am Riffhard wrote on May 19th, 2008 at 6:43pm:
I am sure that will be an eventual consequence of national health care. |
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Title: Re: [NSC] Why Obama is Unfit to Be President Post by Pdog on May 20th, 2008 at 6:28pm ijwthstd wrote on May 20th, 2008 at 11:38am:
When you have cities banning trans fat and making it impossible to smoke anywhere... This is happening under Bush btw!!! And the real ironiy is, our first lady smokes, and in case you didn't know, it wasn't really a pretzel that got Bush, he was wasted!!! |
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Title: Re: [NSC] Why Obama is Unfit to Be President Post by Riffhard on May 20th, 2008 at 7:01pm TenThousandMotels wrote on May 20th, 2008 at 1:46pm:
Please cite one country where national healtcare works the way it was envisioned. You can't because it has been a disaster in every contry where it's been instituted. It's an insane tax burden. It drives private insurance rates through the roof. It kills motivation from pharma companies to do R and D work, and it drives qualified doctors out of bussiness. There is a reason that the USA has consistently been rated the highest quality healthcare provider of any country on the face the of the earth. The reason is because market based economics make it finacially feasiable for the US to develop state of the art healthcare techniques, and facilities. Any government that can grant a family free healthcare can also refuse that same family service. And,btw, it's never free. The countreis that have already adopted this fiasco are constantly deciding what they consider to be "elective" surgery, etc. If the surgery that you may need is considered to cost prohibitive then you're SOL. No thanks. I'll pay my own way thank you very much. Conservatives like myself want the government out of my life as much as possible. I don't need a government tit to suckle from. Why do liberals love to be coddled so goddamned much? I mean shit, it's not like people aren't already getting free healthcare from emergency rooms across the country. If I go to my local hospital for an emegency I am waiting behind dozens of illegals looking for free handouts. I'm already paying for that shit via the outrageous taxes incurred by living in this liberal nightmare state of NJ. Now liberals want national healthcare?!?! To a liberal the consequences of their insane actions aren't important. It's all about their good intentions. Consequnces be damned. It's already given us generation after generation of blacks that have allowed the government to be the daddy figure. That the black community has not told the Democrats to fuck off long ago still stuns me. I guess when you are treated as a victim for decade after decade you just naturally become one. Now the Democrat party is trying to do the exact same thing with the ever expanding Hispanic population. It's a no wonder why the Dems are so adamant about not allowing a border fence from being built. They are already counting on a new constituency of victims that only Dem policies can protect! It's so goddamned transparant that I'm shocked that anyone can not see it for exactly what it is. Riffy |
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Title: Re: [NSC] Why Obama is Unfit to Be President Post by lotsajizz on May 20th, 2008 at 7:15pm
The usual revisionist BS; it's the right wing, cheap labor-seeking Republican businessmen who are responsible for the border and immigration problems. With respect to the medical coverage issues raised, let it just be said that riffy has displayed as much knowledge here as he has of military matters (i.e., none).
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Title: Re: [NSC] Why Obama is Unfit to Be President Post by Riffhard on May 20th, 2008 at 7:39pm lotsajizz wrote on May 20th, 2008 at 7:15pm:
A nice and concise vapid answer that we have all come to expect from you jizzy. The only thing that I will concede is that there are certainly some Republicans that would gladly exploit the illegals in this country for cheap labor. That goes both ways btw. However, I was refering to conservatives here jizzbot. Please try and explain who is screaming the loudest for the enfocment of our sovereignty on the borders. Are you trying to tell us that liberals are the one's that are so adament about the border issue? As for your stupid little crack about my military knowledge I can assure you that I am much more versed in the subject than you are. Much more. It ain't even close jizzstain. Riffy |
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Title: Re: [NSC] Why Obama is Unfit to Be President Post by sirmoonie on May 20th, 2008 at 8:32pm Wild Bill wrote on May 19th, 2008 at 12:04pm:
You are nothing but Sweet William now. I tell you straight up Spudsical, we are going to see a galley load of this in Peking come summer. As my grandfather once said to me when I was watching the Olympics with him "Criosdaidh, where would you Americans be without your darkies?" Shades of Obam. Shades of Harper's Ferry. Shades of the Black Nazarene (Manila). |
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Title: Re: [NSC] Why Obama is Unfit to Be President Post by Ian Billen on May 21st, 2008 at 2:39am
What am at a total loss here is how terribly bad the media has long ago thrown Hillary under the bus and has touted over and over as her campaign and it's efforts as being doomed.
Even with hundreds of Super Delegates yet to choose and the race being so close the media has trounced Clinton's chances months ago. Bad press does not sit well with the general public. In other words....would you support a loser or would you jump on the Ohbama bandwagon. Sad to say, many, without analyzing the two would jump just because of the bad press. It is like they think Ohbama is Superman. He can do no wrong, and there is no chance for Hillary. Even his bad press (reverend wright, clinging to guns) has been swept under the carpet in relatively no time by the media. I think they have acted terribly bias this whole campaign and have favored Ohbama by a land slide. I cannot see why and don't get it? It puzzles me. Is he paying them off (that remark is a sarcastic joke) ....Geez Ian |
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Title: Re: [NSC] Why Obama is Unfit to Be President Post by lotsajizz on May 21st, 2008 at 4:12am Riffhard wrote on May 20th, 2008 at 7:39pm:
Dream on, amateur..... |
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Title: Re: [NSC] Why Obama is Unfit to Be President Post by Some Guy on May 21st, 2008 at 7:51am
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Title: Re: [NSC] Why Obama is Unfit to Be President Post by Riffhard on May 21st, 2008 at 6:35pm lotsajizz wrote on May 21st, 2008 at 4:12am:
LOL! Great debate skills you're displaying here Jizzy. Do bring that kind of game to the courtroom? Is this where you got your rebuttal expertise? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=teMlv3ripSM Riffy |
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Title: Re: [NSC] Why Obama is Unfit to Be President Post by stonedinaustralia on May 21st, 2008 at 10:13pm Riffhard wrote on May 20th, 2008 at 7:01pm:
well Riffy we have a version of it here and while the system is not perfect it is by no means a disaster - there's no doubt i would much rather a private to a public hospital but all australians are ab;e to see a doctor often completely free of charge and prescription meds are heavily funded by the gov. - it's a good idea it means that health care is not just for those who can afford it and i dispute your notion that this is "socialism" - the mark of any civilzed society is how it treats the young, the old and the infirm - for me provision of some basic health care should be one of a governments big priorties - like roads and schools these are things that a community needs for the benefit of the whole community - i'd rather my tax money gets spent on stuff like that as oppossed to funding what I consider to be real looney left stuff - to paraphrase Goering "When i hear someone mention 'Government Funded Social Inclusion Groups ' I reach for my revolver" - or worse still taxing my income to amass huge surpluses - if they don't need to spend the money they should give it back!! |
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Title: Re: [NSC] Why Obama is Unfit to Be President Post by Riffhard on May 21st, 2008 at 11:18pm stonedinaustralia wrote on May 21st, 2008 at 10:13pm:
SIA, with all due respect, in the USA a state sponsored healthcare system would be an unmittigated disaster. The fact is that the USA already spends roughly two and a half times as much on our public education system as all of Europe does. What do we have to show for it? Schools that are far more concerned with the tenure and protection of their teachers than the quality of education of the students. This by no means is to suggest that there are not many many qualified teachers in the USA. There are. My sister-in-law, and neice among them. However, the teachers unions have stifled any attempt at holding poor teachers accountable for their less than stellar performance. The inner cities are rife with teachers that could never get a job as a janitor in my kids' school district, but they too are protected by a union that has quashed every attempt at standardized testing and the like. They offer nothing but excuses as to why standardized tests are unfair. Bullshit! Should a National Healthcare system be inacted here in the States the results would be as pretictable as the rising of the sun. The taxes that would be incurred would be astronomical as well. There is not one country where this system as been tried that it worked as it was originally conceived. Australia is no exception to this as you have pointed out. Now try and imagine that same system dealing with a country the size of the USA. Not to mention the size of the bureacracy that it would breed. The government of the USA can't get the job done anywhere near as well as the private sector can, and certainly nowhere near as cost effective either. The old adage, "There's no such thing as a free lunch", comes to mind. I don't begrudge anyone healthcare, but it is by no means a right. It is an expense that must be payed for. Should the government decide that everyone should have the right to healthcare on the government's tit then we would all suffer the consequences of the piss poor system that would result. Government that tries to replace the free market approach to healthcare is very definition of socialism to my mind. As it stands anyone can go to an ER and get treated for free. It is illegal to refuse service to anyone because of lack of insurance at ERs across the country. With the huge influx of illegals that are pouring across the borders this is becoming quite a problem as you can well imagine. In fact dozens of hospitals have been forced to close down in LA, and other border cities for this very reason. Now that may sound like a good reason to institute National Healthcare, but that would only multiply the problem ten fold at least! "If you build it they will come." The US government has already effectively destroyed the Social Security system, Medicare, and Medicaid in just a few short decades. It has proven itself totally inept at every single one of these programs that the good citizens of the USA have put into it's trust. Now we are to believe that somehow they are going to come up with a program that would be far more reaching than any of those programs, and they're going to make it work it?! No. No thank you very much. I am quite comfortable paying my own way thank you all the same. This is the same governement that will NOT allow it's own citizens the right to place their Social Security taxes into private trusts! I'd imagine the Social Security Administration would be a damn site better off finacially than it is now should we all be given this right. It's our money yet the government feels that they alone know what's best for us when it comes to spending our own money! Yeah, I'm sure they'd do a great job getting me the medical care that my family will need in the future. Not! Riffy |
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Title: Re: [NSC] Why Obama is Unfit to Be President Post by stonedinaustralia on May 21st, 2008 at 11:33pm
you know I can appreciate those arguments - although your challenge was to name one not a disaster which I believe i did -you make some good points and i agree that "public" efforts in respect of health and education can suffer in quality due to political and other considerations. on the other hand there are plenty of sharks and charlatans out there in the private sector
to the point tho - you may well be right - a system such as ours may be unworkable in the USA for the reasons you suggest and maybe even others - its hard to fathom some time given the population of Australia is about that of NYC |
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Title: Re: [NSC] Why Obama is Unfit to Be President Post by Sioux on May 21st, 2008 at 11:58pm
I am slightly familiar with Canada's health system...I have a friend in Winnipeg. Her husband was having heart problems...and he had to wait MONTHS to be seen by a doctor. Thankfully he lived long enough to be treated and is doing well now. When I had my breast cancer, my friend told me that she was thankful I didn't live there---that I would wait months to be seen and then treated. I might very well not be here now. She loves not paying for medical insurance, Dr. visits, prescriptions.....but she is quite fearful of contracting a serious or potentially fatal illness. I wouldn't want to live like that....
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Title: Re: [NSC] Why Obama is Unfit to Be President Post by glencar on May 22nd, 2008 at 11:04am
Back to Barry O'bama: this guy is the least experienced pol to ever run for our highest office. I'm so glad that he beat HRC & I hope he doesn't win in November but it's looking like he's got an 8 point nat'l lead over Mac.
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Title: Re: [NSC] Why Obama is Unfit to Be President Post by Factory Girl on May 22nd, 2008 at 11:39am
My sources tell me BO won't win. Hilly has a better chance of beating Maccy, but she's done in 2008.
BO shouldn't be elected Prezzy b/c he's the poster boy for diversity. If he's whining about Maccy, he'll cry "Me a River" when he has to deal with Irag, Afganistan, Iran, Putin and company.... |
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Title: Re: [NSC] Why Obama is Unfit to Be President Post by glencar on May 22nd, 2008 at 12:24pm
I like the times when he complains about people picking on his wife. She makes wildly nutty statements & no one can comment upon same? Perhaps he protesteth too much...
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Title: Re: [NSC] Why Obama is Unfit to Be President Post by lotsajizz on May 22nd, 2008 at 12:26pm wrote on May 22nd, 2008 at 12:24pm:
He sure does. |
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Title: Re: [NSC] Why Obama is Unfit to Be President Post by glencar on May 22nd, 2008 at 12:35pm lotsajizz wrote on May 22nd, 2008 at 12:26pm:
You're a core Dem & you're not voting for Barry? |
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Title: Re: [NSC] Why Obama is Unfit to Be President Post by Factory Girl on May 22nd, 2008 at 12:46pm
Mrs. BO is a cracker.
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Title: Re: [NSC] Why Obama is Unfit to Be President Post by Marty on May 22nd, 2008 at 5:38pm
I know one thing for sure, any new president will be better than the one who'll leave the office next november. Obama included.
Bush is a shame for any USA lover. I put my ass in the line of fire many times because of this retard. :will-ya |
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Title: Re: [NSC] Why Obama is Unfit to Be President Post by lotsajizz on May 22nd, 2008 at 6:02pm wrote on May 22nd, 2008 at 12:35pm:
Never. |
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Title: Re: [NSC] Why Obama is Unfit to Be President Post by Riffhard on May 22nd, 2008 at 6:13pm lotsajizz wrote on May 22nd, 2008 at 6:02pm:
Jizzy I must say that my curiosity is peaked. Why will you not vote for Obama? I know why I won't, but what are your reasons? I know many liberal friends that say the same thing. Riffy |
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Title: Re: [NSC] Why Obama is Unfit to Be President Post by LadyJane on May 22nd, 2008 at 6:14pm lotsajizz wrote on May 22nd, 2008 at 6:02pm:
Agreed, Jizzy. I have officially changed my party affiliation to Independent. Never thought this day would come. LJ. |
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Title: Re: [NSC] Why Obama is Unfit to Be President Post by glencar on May 22nd, 2008 at 6:45pm
I. Am. Stunned.
You two must explain... |
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Title: Re: [NSC] Why Obama is Unfit to Be President Post by Edith Grove on May 22nd, 2008 at 7:59pm |
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Title: Re: [NSC] Why Obama is Unfit to Be President Post by lotsajizz on May 22nd, 2008 at 8:04pm Riffhard wrote on May 22nd, 2008 at 6:13pm:
Riffy--It's because your characterization of him as an extreme/elitists socialist trojan horse is dead on and because he is a racist. Maybe someday he'll make a good president, not this time. I don't know who I'll vote for in November, but I'd pick McCain ahead of BO at this point. BO has also made me VERY bitter with his campaign for the nomination--he uses his race and then cries foul when someone else tries to do so or calls him out on it.... |
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Title: Re: [NSC] Why Obama is Unfit to Be President Post by Pdog on May 22nd, 2008 at 8:08pm
My vote for McCain won't mean much in TX, too bad I won't vote in Calif this November!!!
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Title: Re: [NSC] Why Obama is Unfit to Be President Post by LadyJane on May 22nd, 2008 at 8:16pm lotsajizz wrote on May 22nd, 2008 at 8:04pm:
100% correct. LJ. |
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Title: Re: [NSC] Why Obama is Unfit to Be President Post by Riffhard on May 22nd, 2008 at 8:57pm lotsajizz wrote on May 22nd, 2008 at 8:04pm:
Wow! Hell hath frozen over! We are in 100% agreement on this issue. Thanks for your reply. Riffy |
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Title: Re: [NSC] Why Obama is Unfit to Be President Post by LadyJane on May 22nd, 2008 at 9:16pm
I sense a momentous moment on RO.
LJ, Riffy and lotzajizz are in total agreement. It's the Stones in us. :wtf2 LJ. |
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Title: Re: [NSC] Why Obama is Unfit to Be President Post by parmeda on May 22nd, 2008 at 9:19pm
Here Riffy... this will take 13 minutes of your time. Make some popcorn. And feel free to pass it along to anyone that has 'tunnel vision' with this man.
http://www.eyeblast.tv/public/video.aspx?RsrcID=2036 You can thank me later. |
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Title: Re: [NSC] Why Obama is Unfit to Be President Post by Maxmeister on May 22nd, 2008 at 10:02pm wrote on May 22nd, 2008 at 11:04am:
With all due respect, dummy "the decider" had considerably less experience than Obama does. dummy didn't have any more knowledge to become president than the rest of us at least up to the point he decided to run. I won't even get in to the on going lack of intelligence. I'm not happy with any of the choices. Relatively benign Mac without henchmen that are blind idealogues would be a welcome relief. Also, the way partisonship has gone wacko, I'd be happy to see neither party in control of Congress and the presidency. Rick |
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Title: Re: [NSC] Why Obama is Unfit to Be President Post by glencar on May 22nd, 2008 at 11:07pm
Dummy?
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Title: Re: [NSC] Why Obama is Unfit to Be President Post by mojoman on May 23rd, 2008 at 12:12am LadyJane wrote on May 22nd, 2008 at 9:16pm:
:booze :weed :booze :keithpunky :booze :weed :booze |
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Title: Re: [NSC] Why Obama is Unfit to Be President Post by LadyJane on May 30th, 2008 at 6:08am
Another reason....Rev. Michael Pflegler.
Disgusting example of racism. If Pflegler's target was a BLACK man, GAME OVER. So we have two options of why BO is a member of this Church: --He joined for political gain ie he's a phony --He joined because he believes this shit ie he's a phony. http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/24882600/ LJ. |
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Title: Re: [NSC] Why Obama is Unfit to Be President Post by sirmoonie on May 30th, 2008 at 8:54am LadyJane wrote on May 30th, 2008 at 6:08am:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TWigzBClEk8 HAHA! Holy moly, I didn't know wigger preachers existed. I haven't been to church in eons. Is this all preachers do these days? Yack about politics? They're worse than Hollywood. No wonder recent studies have shown that over 85% of church goers are under the influence of alcohol or controlled substances these days. Can you blame them? If mean , for Christ's sake, can you fucking blame them???? |
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Title: Re: [NSC] Why Obama is Unfit to Be President Post by Joey on May 30th, 2008 at 9:49am " I haven't been to church in eons. Is this all preachers do these days? Yack about politics? They're worse than Hollywood. No wonder recent studies have shown that over 85% of church goers are under the influence of alcohol or controlled substances these days. Can you blame them? " I too SirMoonie have not been to Church since the Nixon Administration , yet , I still pray and feel a cogent religosity pour forth from me vains whilst .................................... oh , OH !!!!!! ............... Watch out ....... HERE IT COMES !!!!! : " Its another tequila sunrise Starin slowly cross the sky, said goodbye He was just a hired hand Workin on the dreams he planned to try The days go by Evry night when the sun goes down Just another lonely boy in town And shes out runnin round She wasnt just another woman And I couldnt keep from comin on Its been so long Oh, and its a hollow feelin when It comes down to dealin friends It never ends Take another shot of courage Wonder why the right words never come You just get numb Its another tequila sunrise,this old world Still looks the same, Another frame, mm... " |
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Title: Re: [NSC] Why Obama is Unfit to Be President Post by sirmoonie on May 30th, 2008 at 10:25am Joey wrote on May 30th, 2008 at 9:49am:
Horrendous posting. Some of the worst ever seen here, which is saying a lot. Your post is devoid of qualities of even a standard, banal post. Your tenure here is coming to an end. There are other boards that may be looking for this effort, but not here, son. Not here. Please clean out your PM box, and talk to HR on the way out. Don't forget to leave your password with security. Thank you. |
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Title: Re: [NSC] Why Obama is Unfit to Be President Post by Joey on May 30th, 2008 at 10:47am
" Horrendous posting. Some of the worst ever seen here, which is saying a lot. Your post is devoid of qualities of even a standard, banal post. Your tenure here is coming to an end. There are other boards that may be looking for this effort, but not here, son. Not here. Please clean out your PM box, and talk to HR on the way out. Don't forget to leave your password with security. Thank you. "
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Title: Re: [NSC] Why Obama is Unfit to Be President Post by sirmoonie on May 30th, 2008 at 10:55am Joey wrote on May 30th, 2008 at 10:47am:
Years ago, we would have just thrown you in posting rehab. In today's competitve posting environment, that is no longer a feasible option. I encourage you to look elsewhere for posting. There are other boards in the area that are actively looking for your level of skill. I am confident you will find a match somewhere. Regards, sirmoonie |
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Title: Re: [NSC] Why Obama is Unfit to Be President Post by andrews27 on May 30th, 2008 at 12:43pm stonedinaustralia wrote on May 21st, 2008 at 10:13pm:
If FDR could have institutionalized national health care during the Second New Deal, it would be with us today, though under conservative attack. That was its moment - the 1930s. It's second opportunity was during the 1960s Great Society phase, but even LBJ could not, by then, buck the AMA. I shudder to think about what will happen to the US when one can no longer feel the hand of FDR on the tiller. |
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Title: Re: [NSC] Why Obama is Unfit to Be President Post by Joey on May 30th, 2008 at 1:38pm
" Years ago, we would have just thrown you in posting rehab. In today's competitve posting environment, that is no longer a feasible option. "
Postin' rehab is not a bad idea considering the affliction that surrounds the very nucleus of ............................ !!! : " There's talk on the street, it sounds so familiar. Great expectations, everybodys watching you. People you meet they all seem to know you, Even your old friends treat you like youre something new. Johnny-come-lately, the new kid in town, Everybody loves you, so dont let them down. You look in her eyes, the music begins to play. Hopeless romantics, here we go again. But after a while youre looking the other way. Its those restless hearts that never mend. Johnny-come-lately, the new kid in town, Will she still love you when youre not around? Theres so many things you should have told her But night after night youre willing to hold her, Just hold her tears on your shoulder. Theres talk on the street, its there to remind you That it doesnt really matter which side youre on. Youre walking away and theyre talking behind you. They will never forget you till somebody new comes along. " |
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Title: Re: [NSC] Why Obama is Unfit to Be President Post by Some Guy on May 30th, 2008 at 1:56pm
Joey seriously needs an eagles exit strategy, seriously.
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Title: Re: [NSC] Why Obama is Unfit to Be President Post by sirmoonie on May 30th, 2008 at 2:21pm Some Guy wrote on May 30th, 2008 at 1:56pm:
He's a quagmire now. Nothing but a recruiting tool for Eagles fans and others who hate America for its freedoms. |
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Title: Re: [NSC] Why Obama is Unfit to Be President Post by Joey on May 30th, 2008 at 2:27pm
" Joey seriously needs an eagles exit strategy, seriously. "
Some Guy ....................................... I am sinking FAST !!!! : HELP !!!! : " What kind of love have you got? You should be home, but youre not A room full of noise and dangerous boys Still makes you thirsty and hot I heard about you and that man Theres just one thing I dont understand You say hes a liar and he put out Your fire How come you still got his gun in your hand? Victim of love , I see a broken heart You got your stories to tell Victim of love, its such an easy part And you know how to play it so well Some people never come clean I think you know what I mean Youre walkin the wire, pain and desire Looking for love in between Tell me your secrets, Ill tell you mine This aint no time to be cool And tell all your girlfriends, You been around the world friends That talk is for losers and fools Victim of love, I see a broken heart I could be wrong, but Im no Victim of love, were not so far apart Show me, what kind of love have you got? Victim of love, youre just a victim of love I could be wrong , but Im not Victim of love, now youre a victim of love What kind of love have you got? What kind of love have you got? What kind of love have you got? " www.EAGLESBAND.com |
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Title: Re: [NSC] Why Obama is Unfit to Be President Post by Wild Bill on Jun 5th, 2008 at 1:47pm
Thanks, Glencar!
Reason number 786: wrote on Jun 4th, 2008 at 8:02am:
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Title: Re: [NSC] Why Obama is Unfit to Be President Post by Joey on Jun 5th, 2008 at 2:40pm
" Reason number 786: "
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Title: Re: [NSC] Why Obama is Unfit to Be President Post by gimmekeef on Jun 5th, 2008 at 2:48pm
Wouldnt it be great if they held a presidential election and no one bothered to vote.I can see Mc Cain running to the Supreme Court then with election tied 2-2 as both candidates and wives of course would vote...
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Title: Re: [NSC] Why Obama is Unfit to Be President Post by Joey on Jun 5th, 2008 at 2:51pm
" Wouldnt it be great if they held a presidential election and no one bothered to vote. "
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Title: Re: [NSC] Why Obama is Unfit to Be President Post by Pdog on Jun 5th, 2008 at 8:12pm
Joey is unfit to post.
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Title: Re: [NSC] Why Obama is Unfit to Be President Post by Brainbell Jangler on Jun 6th, 2008 at 8:46pm
We live in miraculous times. Try not to completely miss it. "You don't need a weatherman to know which way the wind blows" (or do you?).
http://www.economist.com/opinion/displaystory.cfm?story_id=11496904 http://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2008/06/obamas_bridge_between_mlk_rfk.html http://www.motherjones.com/commentary/columns/2008/06/barack-obama-rfk-bobby-kennedy.html |
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Title: Re: [NSC] Why Obama is Unfit to Be President Post by PartyDoll MEG on Jun 6th, 2008 at 10:29pm Brainbell Jangler wrote on Jun 6th, 2008 at 8:46pm:
Hey Jangler....where have you been? Been a little one sided around here ;) :willya |
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Title: Re: [NSC] Why Obama is Unfit to Be President Post by gimmekeef on Jun 7th, 2008 at 8:50am
If George Bush can be President ffs anyone can be.
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Title: Re: [NSC] Why Obama is Unfit to Be President Post by Some Guy on Jun 7th, 2008 at 9:00am gimmekeef wrote on Jun 7th, 2008 at 8:50am:
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Title: Re: [NSC] Why Obama is Unfit to Be President Post by Joey on Jun 7th, 2008 at 9:54am Funny !!!!! Indeed you are strong my son ---- just as the Emperor has forseen . Are you ready ?! Fly ! |
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Title: Re: [NSC] Why Obama is Unfit to Be President Post by StPeteStone on Jun 7th, 2008 at 12:14pm robpop wrote on May 19th, 2008 at 12:13pm: Best Capt Picard yet!! |
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Title: Re: [NSC] Why Obama is Unfit to Be President Post by robpop on Jun 7th, 2008 at 12:32pm StPeteStone wrote on Jun 7th, 2008 at 12:14pm:
Where the fuck you been? I guess you missed my Mons Venus post about you. |
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Title: Re: [NSC] Why Obama is Unfit to Be President Post by Joey on Jun 8th, 2008 at 12:29pm
" Where the fuck you been? I guess you missed my Mons Venus post "
**** WTF ?! **** |
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Title: Re: [NSC] Why Obama is Unfit to Be President Post by glencar on Jun 9th, 2008 at 10:35am PartyDoll MEG wrote on Jun 6th, 2008 at 10:29pm:
Yes, now you have an extra hand tied behind your collective back. Trust me on this one: you guys will lose with or w/o BJ. |
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Title: Re: [NSC] Why Obama is Unfit to Be President Post by Some Guy on Jun 10th, 2008 at 7:07am |
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Title: Re: [NSC] Why Obama is Unfit to Be President Post by sirmoonie on Jun 10th, 2008 at 10:45am
I do bongs all fucking day long! I couldn't pass a urinalysis with a pint of Mormon piss!
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Title: Moonie: is THIS your savior??? Post by Starbuck on Jun 10th, 2008 at 11:10am
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lrvLsnV7No8
for god's jesus christ moonie....you want to elect this guy President??? i'll take my marxist candidate as long as i can still throw back a couple of MGDs after the show, FFS! |
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Title: Re: Moonie: is THIS your savior??? Post by Joey on Jun 10th, 2008 at 11:16am " i'll take my marxist candidate as long as i can still throw back a couple of MGDs after the show, FFS " !!!!! |
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Title: Re: Moonie: is THIS your savior??? Post by Starbuck on Jun 10th, 2008 at 11:31am
for god's sake joey....a mccain presidency will give us 100 more years of war plus no beer....how much clearer can the choice be?
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Title: Re: Moonie: is THIS your savior??? Post by robpop on Jun 10th, 2008 at 11:33am
Cheers!
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Title: Re: Moonie: is THIS your savior??? Post by mojoman on Jun 10th, 2008 at 11:47am Starbuck wrote on Jun 10th, 2008 at 11:31am:
mcloud mcheese mclintock |
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Title: Re: [NSC] Why Obama is Unfit to Be President Post by fishook on Jun 10th, 2008 at 12:08pm
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Title: Re: [NSC] Why Obama is Unfit to Be President Post by Starbuck on Jun 10th, 2008 at 12:22pm fishook wrote on Jun 10th, 2008 at 12:08pm:
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Title: Re: [NSC] Why Obama is Unfit to Be President Post by PartyDoll MEG on Jun 10th, 2008 at 12:40pm
Instead of "flaming" the candidates..
This here chicky is "Sick to death" of the racist remarks ad nauseum I have a novel idea... How about some factoids... This one is on Immigration http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=91323073 I'll even copy and paste it... Candidates' Positions McCain: In 2006, McCain co-sponsored the Senate immigration bill that would have legalized millions of immigrants in the U.S., strengthened border control and created a guest-worker program. As a presidential candidate, he has since said he believes in securing the borders before legalizing immigrants. He also backs what he calls a "sensible" guest-worker program for workers who are in the country without legal status and has callled for strengthening penalties for those who hire undocumented immigrants. Obama: Obama voted for the Senate immigration overhaul bill to strengthen border controls, create a guest-worker program and legalize millions of foreign workers here now. Obama also backed the Secure Fence Act. He co-sponsored a bill to allow states to offer illegal immigrants in-state tuition. Immigration Issue Doesn't Divide McCain, Obama by Jennifer Ludden June 10, 2008 · In recent years, public debate over illegal immigration has been passionate, divisive and loud, and it has provided plentiful fodder as a wedge issue for politicians, especially Republicans. But there has been virtual silence on the topic on the presidential campaign trail. "This is no disrespect to the candidates, but their positions are as distinct as Tweedledum's from Tweedledee's," says immigration lawyer Angelo Paparelli. It is an irony that Arizona Republican John McCain is the presumptive presidential nominee for the party that has most ardently waged war against illegal immigration. In 2006, McCain co-sponsored the bipartisan McCain-Kennedy immigration bill — also supported by Illinois Sen. Barack Obama. The bill would have stepped up enforcement at the border and in the workplace. It also would have expanded guest-worker programs and, most controversially, legalized millions of undocumented immigrants already in the U.S. if they paid fines, paid back taxes and learned English. McCain's conservative colleagues derided the bill as "amnesty" and helped foment a grass-roots backlash. By 2007, as McCain was gearing up for his presidential bid, he backed down. When the Senate crafted legislation that year, he was nowhere to be seen, and some critics fault his absence for the bill's eventual failure. In January of 2008, when NBC's Tim Russert asked McCain if he would support his own immigration bill if it came to him as president, McCain rejected the notion. "It isn't gonna come," he said. "The lesson is, they want the border secured first. That's the lesson." McCain now says he would have Southwest state governors first certify the border was secure before expanding any legal visas. But not everyone is convinced by the tougher talk. "John McCain is emotionally invested in amnesty for illegal immigrants, period," says Steve Camarota of the Center for Immigration Studies, which advocates less immigration. Camarota believes either a President McCain or a President Obama might temper some of the more aggressive immigration enforcement of the Bush administration. In an interview last year with the editorial board of The Des Moines Register, Obama spoke about a different approach to workplace enforcement. "I'm not particularly impressed with raids on plants that grab a handful of undocumented workers and send them home, leaving the company in a position where it can just hire the next batch," Obama said. "I don't think we've been serious about employer sanctions." Still, immigration lawyer Paparelli doubts either McCain or Obama would make immigration a priority as president, at least not early in a first term. "Immigration has been described as the third rail of American politics," Paparelli says, "but more vividly by some as a downed power line that anyone who touches it will be electrified |
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Title: Re: [NSC] Why Obama is Unfit to Be President Post by Starbuck on Jun 10th, 2008 at 12:46pm
come on, meg! flaming is what we do best!
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Title: Re: [NSC] Why Obama is Unfit to Be President Post by PartyDoll MEG on Jun 10th, 2008 at 1:06pm
Carry on....
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Title: Re: [NSC] Why Obama is Unfit to Be President Post by gimmekeef on Jun 10th, 2008 at 1:19pm
If McCain versus Obama was a rock tour it would be playing small stinky amphitheaters in podunk towns and be headlined by REO Speedwagon........
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Title: Re: Moonie: is THIS your savior??? Post by Joey on Jun 10th, 2008 at 2:11pm
" ... a mccain presidency will give us 100 more years of war plus no beer....how much clearer can the choice be? "
Bucky ............................................. McCain might win his home state this November . Maybe !!!!!!!!! Developing ..................... Shiver ......... LBJOEY !!!! |
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Title: Re: [NSC] Why Obama is Unfit to Be President Post by Some Guy on Jun 10th, 2008 at 2:38pm Obama is bringing his A game. |
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Title: Re: [NSC] Why Obama is Unfit to Be President Post by Joey on Jun 10th, 2008 at 2:52pm
" Obama is bringing his A game "
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Title: Re: [NSC] Why Obama is Unfit to Be President Post by Wild Bill on Jun 10th, 2008 at 3:08pm Some Guy wrote on Jun 10th, 2008 at 2:38pm:
We don't need a Basketball Jones for our president. (Reason number 831) My number one job for the US president is foreign policy We need someone that the Arab and rogue state leaders are scared of and that's not Barack Hussein Obammie. They'd be more afraid of Hillicunt than Obammie. |
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Title: Re: [NSC] Why Obama is Unfit to Be President Post by robpop on Jun 10th, 2008 at 3:13pm
When the phone rings at 3 AM we need a guy who just put down about 12 cold ones. I've done some of my best work on the phone in the wee hours after downing a few.
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Title: Re: [NSC] Why Obama is Unfit to Be President Post by Some Guy on Jun 10th, 2008 at 3:20pm robpop wrote on Jun 10th, 2008 at 3:13pm:
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Title: Re: [NSC] Why Obama is Unfit to Be President Post by robpop on Jun 10th, 2008 at 3:25pm Some Guy wrote on Jun 10th, 2008 at 3:20pm:
Where's the wings? |
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Title: Re: [NSC] Why Obama is Unfit to Be President Post by mojoman on Jun 10th, 2008 at 3:25pm Some Guy wrote on Jun 10th, 2008 at 3:20pm:
no butt hanging from her lips? no tatoo? |
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Title: Re: [NSC] Why Obama is Unfit to Be President Post by lotsajizz on Jun 10th, 2008 at 3:36pm
We need someone to implement a foreign policy not devised in Tel Aviv.
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Title: Re: [NSC] Why Obama is Unfit to Be President Post by Some Guy on Jun 10th, 2008 at 3:45pm
The nickname-friendly hip-hop mogul, whose "official" alternate moniker has metamorphosed over the years from Puffy to Puff Daddy to P. Diddy to Diddy and so on, has decided to take a cue from his past.
Although his rep has denied reports of a name change, Combs has indicated on his MySpace site and via a guest appearance on a new single that he is reclaiming Puff Daddy, a handle he hasn't used since 2001. :wtf3 |
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Title: Re: [NSC] Why Obama is Unfit to Be President Post by sirmoonie on Jun 10th, 2008 at 5:06pm lotsajizz wrote on Jun 10th, 2008 at 3:36pm:
HAHA! You finally speak some truth, jizzy-san. Definitely one of the more bizarre aspects of dysfunctional failed presidency of George Walker Bush III - yeah surrrrrrrrrrre they're "neo-cons" - neo-Zios is more like it - who the hell were half those whack jobs working for anyway? If you get UNwrapped around the axle on Churchill, there may be hope for you yet. There just may. Uh huh. Yeah. |
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Title: Re: [NSC] Why Obama is Unfit to Be President Post by lotsajizz on Jun 10th, 2008 at 6:31pm
right back at ya moonie, enjoy tonight's game
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Title: Re: [NSC] Why Obama is Unfit to Be President Post by robpop on Jun 10th, 2008 at 10:35pm sirmoonie wrote on Jun 10th, 2008 at 5:06pm:
Moonie, The man closed down Schenley High School. It's gonna get ugly on the hill. |
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Title: Re: [NSC] Why Obama is Unfit to Be President Post by parmeda on Jun 10th, 2008 at 11:05pm
"CNN Today announced Barack Obama said that he couldn't fix the American Economy, but he's pretty sure he can nigger rig it."
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Title: Re: [NSC] Why Obama is Unfit to Be President Post by Riffhard on Jun 10th, 2008 at 11:38pm
"This is not the same Reverand Wright that I have come to know."- Obama on his racist preacher of twenty plus years after Wright's ranting press conference at The Press Club of America
"I am saddened by this verdict. This is not the Tony Rezko that I have known."- Obama after Tony Rezko was convicted on all counts in his corruption trail. The same man that donated hundreds of thousands of dollars to Obama's campaign. "Father Phleger was nothing more than an passing acquaitence of Senator Obama's."- Team Obama e-mail denying any real relationship with Father Micheal Phleger, seemingly forgetting that Phleger was on Obama's campaign staff and was well known to Obama through his own racist church for many years. I don't know about you, but my parents told me when I was a very small tyke that if you lay down with dogs you wake up with fleas. Now we are chastized for questioning Obama about his insanely stupid, and frankly dangerous, relationships! "That's just guilt by association!", they scream. Hell, we haven't even discussed William Ayers yet either! The man is a fucking fraud! Anyone that cannot see through this charlatan is just being willingly ignorant. I am stunned that the Bush hatered is such that someone would just blindly support a man that has so many dangerous ideas about the future of the USA. Oh yeah, and is it ok by any of you Obamaidiots if we question the sanity of the man's wife? The same wife that said, "America is just a downright mean country in 2008." and this chestnut, "For the first time in my adult life I am proud of my country." You know the America that gives more international chairty than all of Europe combinded year after year after year. The same America who has liberated more people from tyranny than any country in the history of civilization. That anyone would vote for this snake oil salesman has me just dumbfounded. The idiocy of the gullible is staggering. Riffy |
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Title: Re: [NSC] Why Obama is Unfit to Be President Post by Joey on Jun 11th, 2008 at 9:22am " I don't know about you, but my parents told me when I was a very small tyke that if you lay down with dogs you wake up with fleas. Now we are chastized for questioning Obama about his insanely stupid, and frankly dangerous, relationships! "That's just guilt by association!", they scream. Hell, we haven't even discussed William Ayers yet either! The man is a fucking fraud! Anyone that cannot see through this charlatan is just being willingly ignorant. I am stunned that the Bush hatered is such that someone would just blindly support a man that has so many dangerous ideas about the future of the USA. " |
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Title: Re: [NSC] Why Obama is Unfit to Be President Post by Riffhard on Jun 11th, 2008 at 11:18am Joey wrote on Jun 11th, 2008 at 9:22am:
You just keep telling yourself-Obama is my messiah, Obama is my messiah, Obama is my messiah...... Gulibility costs nothing Joey. You can afford it, and judging by the way that you suck at the teet of Obama you have bought enough for everyone! Whatever you do though don't even try and learn anything about the man. Just remember that you can believe in the Hope and Change that this asshat keeps spoonfeeding brain dead drones like yourself. Riffy |
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Title: Re: [NSC] Why Obama is Unfit to Be President Post by Some Guy on Jun 11th, 2008 at 11:44am
The man is preaching change, maybe it is he that will change and help our country, no?
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Title: Re: [NSC] Why Obama is Unfit to Be President Post by Riffhard on Jun 11th, 2008 at 12:12pm Some Guy wrote on Jun 11th, 2008 at 11:44am:
Change?! You're kidding right?! The guy has so many associates that are either as corrupt as Rezko or as racist as Wright. As I have stated before, he has skeletons lining up to get into his closet. Change? What he's gonna be even more corrupt than Team Clinton? He has already promised to raise the taxes on oil companies! Who do think will pay those taxes? It sure as hell won't be Exxon/Mobil! The big bad oil companies are already paying a tax rate of over 40%!!!! There is not one other business in this country that pays anywhere near that rate! Now Obama wants to stick it them even more?! Get ready to reach for your wallet should this fuckhead ever be elected. The last time that this idiotic Capitol Gains Tax was imposed on oil companies this happened! What idiot decided that this was a good idea? That's right! The worst president in the history of the USA Jimma Carter! Great fucking plan Obama! Oh, and that Oh-so-conservative John McLame wants to do the same exact fucking thing!!! Good thing that Moonie keeps assuring us that McLame is a conservative!! ROTFLMMFAO!!! We're fucked alright! Until people storm the capitol with pitchforks and torches and demand that we drill and refine our own goddmaned oil we are screwed blue! Riffy |
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Title: Re: [NSC] Why Obama is Unfit to Be President Post by Starbuck on Jun 11th, 2008 at 12:28pm
rifffy?
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Title: Re: [NSC] Why Obama is Unfit to Be President Post by LadyJane on Jun 11th, 2008 at 12:29pm
I tend to agree with you Riffy.
I have never been so frightened and anxious about my future than I am today. And I don't see either of these clowns coming to our rescue. What timing I have, eh?? Out on my own for the first time and look where we are? :'( God help us. LJ. |
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Title: Re: [NSC] Why Obama is Unfit to Be President Post by Starbuck on Jun 11th, 2008 at 12:29pm Riffhard wrote on Jun 11th, 2008 at 12:12pm:
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Title: Re: [NSC] Why Obama is Unfit to Be President Post by Riffhard on Jun 11th, 2008 at 12:33pm Starbuck wrote on Jun 11th, 2008 at 12:29pm:
Yes Bucky! And you should be too! Riffy |
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Title: Re: [NSC] Why Obama is Unfit to Be President Post by Some Guy on Jun 11th, 2008 at 1:05pm
as long as he don't pick Reverand Wright as a running mate.
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Title: Re: [NSC] Why Obama is Unfit to Be President Post by Riffhard on Jun 11th, 2008 at 1:08pm
A prediction.
At some point in the future we will hear The Messiah Obama say the following. "I am saddened and stunned to hear these things coming out of the mouth of my wife, Michelle. This is not the Michelle that I have known." I'm just sayin' Riffy |
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Title: Re: [NSC] Why Obama is Unfit to Be President Post by Some Guy on Jun 11th, 2008 at 1:29pm Riffhard wrote on Jun 11th, 2008 at 1:08pm:
postin above the rim... |
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Title: Re: [NSC] Why Obama is Unfit to Be President Post by gimmekeef on Jun 11th, 2008 at 1:43pm
After Bush..... Carter looks like a genius......Obama is a fraud and McCain has had 30 years at the public trough....not lookin good
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Title: Re: [NSC] Why Obama is Unfit to Be President Post by Riffhard on Jun 11th, 2008 at 2:30pm
Yeah other than opening the door to radical Islamic terror via the dealings with the former Ayatollah Khomeini, the biggest and worse downturn in US economic growth since 1929, a ridiculous appeasement foreign policy plan, never meeting a tyrant he didn't embrace, tacitly giving a wink and nod to the Soviets that he would not respond to an attack on Afghanistan (thereby giving rise to the Taliban and the terror that they would spawn), a human rights policy that led to human rights disaster in Nicaragua and Iran, where he facilitated the rise to power of Marxists and Islamist despots, respectively, Carter spawned a war that ultimately saw one million dead Afghans, five million displaced, and a situation of evil that nurtured the Islamic hatred and militancy that ultimately turned on the West and brought about 9/11.
Oh yeah, and he also had a brother that pissed on the tarmac of an international airport in front of foreign dignitaries and reporters! Other than all that Carter was a fucking genius! Riffy |
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Title: Re: [NSC] Why Obama is Unfit to Be President Post by gimmekeef on Jun 11th, 2008 at 2:38pm
Most of my GOP buddies here in GA keep bringing up Carter now more than ever as they attempt to save face for George W. Jimmy did sink to the 28% disapproval level as well.Hell with plus minus 4 points I guess it could be as low as 24.Riffy the economic downturn under Carter was the result of a post Nam recession and global interest rates beyond control of any administration.Tough to even pin that on old Tricky Dick.But believe me Im no fan of Jimmy or really any politician and share your views on Obama 110%.
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Title: Re: [NSC] Why Obama is Unfit to Be President Post by lotsajizz on Jun 11th, 2008 at 2:39pm Riffhard wrote on Jun 11th, 2008 at 12:12pm:
Which was later admitted by the oil companies to be caused by their manipulation of supply to punish the government and the people--the gas lines were an unnneeded and unnecessary punishment inflicted on America by big companies that thought anyone who questioned their right to 987% increases in profits deserved to be punished. It was an artificially created shortage that was really the result of big oil's temper tantrum over their being made to share obscene profits. But don't let a little thing like facts get in your way, eh riffy? Also, it is far more in America's interest that we have a foreign policy NOT dictated in Tel Aviv than it is that we kowtow to those who seek to sell our freedom out in a un-needed battle with Islamic terrorists who the Bushies helped to create in the first place!! |
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Title: Re: [NSC] Why Obama is Unfit to Be President Post by Wild Bill on Jun 11th, 2008 at 2:43pm Some Guy wrote on Jun 11th, 2008 at 11:44am:
And you probably believe the president of the US can control the price of gasoline, no? =========================================================== Reason number 889 why Obammie is unfit to be president: He doesn't understand defeat. From: http://online.wsj.com/article/global_view.html By BRET STEPHENS Does Obama Understand Defeat? April 1, 2008; Page A16 On Oct. 14, 1993, John McCain took to the floor of the United States Senate to offer what, in light of his past history and his later positions, was an unusual amendment. Earlier that month, 19 American soldiers had been ambushed and killed in Mogadishu, Somalia, by militiamen connected to warlord Mohamed Farah Aidid. The corpse of one U.S. serviceman had been humiliatingly dragged through the streets. The Arizona Republican wanted U.S. forces out of Somalia -- and was prepared to cut off funds for the mission if the administration refused to expedite a withdrawal. President Clinton attacked the amendment as a "headlong rush into isolationism." At the time, Mr. McCain saw it differently. "The United States has no viable military options in Somalia that I know of besides a massive military involvement which would involve the consequent slaughter of innocent civilians," he said in an interview, sounding not a little like today's Democrats on Iraq. "The United States has to be very careful when it gets involved militarily. Otherwise, we will not only not help the situation, but perhaps, over time, worsen the situation, with the consequent expenditure of American lives and treasure." The Somalia episode comes to mind following two recent addresses from Mr. McCain and Barack Obama. On March 19, Mr. Obama gave a big speech on foreign policy at Fort Bragg, in Fayetteville, N.C. That was followed a week later by another big speech on the same subject, this one from Mr. McCain in Los Angeles at the World Affairs Council. As with most such speeches, many things are said, and few of them are interesting. We learn from the speeches that both men are -- surprise! -- politicians. Both are moving toward the political center as they approach the nomination. Mr. Obama has tough talk on hunting al Qaeda in Pakistan. Mr. McCain has soothing talk on the need for "international good citizenship." The hawk and the dove are prepared to fly some distance together, particularly on Guantanamo, global warming and the promotion of Islamic moderation. And, to a degree that neither is fully prepared to acknowledge, each candidate shares policies with the Bush administration. Mr. Obama's call to increase the size of U.S. ground forces by 92,000 troops -- 65,000 for the Army and 27,000 for the Marines -- is precisely the figure offered by Secretary of Defense Bob Gates in 2007. Where the candidates have real differences is over Iraq. Mr. Obama, as everyone knows, wants to remove American troops at a steady rate of one to two combat brigades a month, until they are all but gone, and "help Iraq reach a meaningful accord on national reconciliation." Mr. McCain, as everyone also knows, will do just about everything it takes to win in Iraq and is prepared, on the Korean, West German or Japanese model, to deploy soldiers to the country for a century to preserve the peace. Yet what distinguishes Mr. McCain's foreign policy from Mr. Obama's is not about the nature of America's commitments in the Middle East. It is about their understanding of the consequences of defeat. Mr. McCain seems to have some. It's not clear whether Mr. Obama does. In his speech, Mr. Obama rightly observes the paradox of Mr. McCain's position on Iraq. The Arizonan, he notes, argued in 2006 that the U.S. could not withdraw because "violence was up," whereas now he argues the U.S. cannot withdraw "because violence is down." "Success," says the Illinois senator, "comes to be defined as the ability to maintain a flawed policy indefinitely." A fair point. But here are questions for Mr. Obama: Could there be something worse than the indefinite maintenance of a flawed policy? What if, following a U.S. withdrawal, Iraq collapsed into chaos? What if U.S. embassy personnel have to be helicoptered to safety from the roof of the Baghdad embassy? It's not as if this hasn't happened before. Nowhere in Mr. Obama's speech is that scenario entertained, and one wonders why. Perhaps it is a function of biography. With the exception of a failed congressional bid in 2000, defeat has not formed a significant part of Mr. Obama's upwardly mobile life experience. Or perhaps it is a function of philosophy. Not everyone shares Mr. McCain's view that the defeat in Vietnam was a "disgrace," or that the result of a war carried out "Not In My Name" nonetheless has bearing on the worth of one's country. In a recent interview, Randy Scheunemann, who runs the McCain campaign's foreign policy shop, noted that "Vietnam had a huge impact on John." Obviously. Less obvious: "It's not about his personal experiences in the war as a POW," he said. "It's about leading a group of naval aviators [after the Vietnam war] when they had to cannibalize parts." Mr. Scheunemann is referring to a chapter in Mr. McCain's life when in 1974 he took command of the Navy's largest naval air squadron in Jacksonville, Fla. Nearly 20 of the squadron's 50 jets had been grounded for lack of maintenance, and some hadn't flown in years. Mr. McCain eventually managed to get all his planes flying again, a professional triumph. But the condition of the post-Vietnam Navy turned out to be an abiding lesson to Mr. McCain about what happens to a defeated military. As for Somalia, Mr. McCain noted in one of his memoirs that "The decision to leave Aidid unpunished and to withdraw from Somalia had a disheartening effect on our military. . . . They wondered if we would ever be as committed to victory as they were in the causes we ordered them to serve. Somewhere in Sudan, Osama bin Laden observed our withdrawal from Somalia and concluded that America no longer had the stomach for war." In his speech, Mr. Obama noted that there was no point trying to best Mr. McCain in matters of experience, that what counted was good judgment. Very true. How one can have the latter without the former is a question for the rest of us to consider. |
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Title: Re: [NSC] Why Obama is Unfit to Be President Post by Some Guy on Jun 11th, 2008 at 2:45pm
Best Obama Yet!
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Title: Re: [NSC] Why Obama is Unfit to Be President Post by Starbuck on Jun 11th, 2008 at 3:04pm Riffhard wrote on Jun 11th, 2008 at 2:30pm:
so everything from the afghanistan war to 9-11 is carter's fault? damn, riffy! i thought everything was clinton's fault! get your facts straight, my brotha! i can't WAIT to hear you foam at the mouth over the next four years of the obama administration...... :pukey anyone like to chip in some spare change to get riffy a therapist? this is going to be a long, hard road for him! |
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Title: Re: [NSC] Why Obama is Unfit to Be President Post by lotsajizz on Jun 11th, 2008 at 3:09pm
while riffy does need help with his spittle problem and his recall of history, he will need no therapist to halp him though the next four years as Obama will NEVER be president
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Title: Re: [NSC] Why Obama is Unfit to Be President Post by Starbuck on Jun 11th, 2008 at 3:11pm
sean....barry o has a good chance to beat mccain! you can't deny it!
the bigger question is, will chipper hit .400 this year??? |
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Title: Re: [NSC] Why Obama is Unfit to Be President Post by lotsajizz on Jun 11th, 2008 at 3:14pm
No to both.
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Title: Re: [NSC] Why Obama is Unfit to Be President Post by gimmekeef on Jun 11th, 2008 at 3:14pm Starbuck wrote on Jun 11th, 2008 at 3:11pm:
Tough to get the at bats from the DL....But what a great start he's had.Funny thing he has more hits etc than my top 3 Nationals combined! Washington is so cheap they will never win..they are upset about Kearns and his.205 average being on the DL...LOL |
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Title: Re: [NSC] Why Obama is Unfit to Be President Post by Starbuck on Jun 11th, 2008 at 3:15pm
is chipper on the DL???
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Title: Re: [NSC] Why Obama is Unfit to Be President Post by PartyDoll MEG on Jun 11th, 2008 at 3:22pm
I don't think I can get through another month of this...let alone 4 years, Bucky!!
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Title: Re: [NSC] Why Obama is Unfit to Be President Post by Riffhard on Jun 11th, 2008 at 3:24pm Starbuck wrote on Jun 11th, 2008 at 3:04pm:
No Bucky I never said that. I just pointed out some very cold hard facts that are irrefutable given the history since his disastrous administration. Can you point to one thing that I have posted concerning Carter's history and refute it with facts? Because those are the very real facts. Clinton can certainly shoulder much blame for his pathetic approach to Islamic terror. Did he even have one? I seem to remember a blown up aspirin factory in the Sudan, but other than that? Not much. Riffy |
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Title: Re: [NSC] Why Obama is Unfit to Be President Post by monkey_man on Jun 11th, 2008 at 4:41pm
Hey Riffy,
Does Eisenhower shoulder any blame for the rise of Islamic revolutionaries in Iran? Dumping a democratically elected PM to install the Shah? Maybe a little? MM |
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Title: Re: [NSC] Why Obama is Unfit to Be President Post by Joey on Jun 11th, 2008 at 4:41pm
" .... I just pointed out some very cold hard facts that are irrefutable given the history since his disastrous administration. Can you point to one thing that I have posted concerning Carter's history and refute it with facts? Because those are the very real facts. Clinton can certainly shoulder much blame for his pathetic approach to ..................... "
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Title: Re: [NSC] Why Obama is Unfit to Be President Post by robpop on Jun 11th, 2008 at 4:52pm Joey wrote on Jun 11th, 2008 at 4:41pm:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eKgPY1adc0A Robby http://leighm.net/wp/wp-content/uploads/2007/12/christ-middle-finger.jpg |
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Title: Re: [NSC] Why Obama is Unfit to Be President Post by sirmoonie on Jun 11th, 2008 at 5:08pm Riffhard wrote on Jun 11th, 2008 at 3:24pm:
Read any of these? http://www.thesmokinggun.com/archive/0409041pdb1.html http://image.guardian.co.uk/sys-files/Guardian/documents/2004/07/22/0721911Report..pdf http://www.amazon.com/Against-All-Enemies-Inside-Americas/dp/0743260457 Me did. Me am readed them. |
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Title: Re: [NSC] Why Obama is Unfit to Be President Post by Some Guy on Jun 11th, 2008 at 5:15pm sirmoonie wrote on Jun 11th, 2008 at 5:08pm:
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Title: Re: [NSC] Why Obama is Unfit to Be President Post by Joey on Jun 11th, 2008 at 5:15pm
Why ?!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UFpPjjKdUds { Young Joey just shrugs his shoulders three times in dismay } |
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Title: Re: [NSC] Why Obama is Unfit to Be President Post by Starbuck on Jun 11th, 2008 at 5:46pm sirmoonie wrote on Jun 11th, 2008 at 5:08pm: jesus mormon christ, moonbear. riffy has already demonstrated that carter was to blame for 9-11. lay off him, FFS. |
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Title: Re: [NSC] Why Obama is Unfit to Be President Post by sirmoonie on Jun 11th, 2008 at 6:02pm Starbuck wrote on Jun 11th, 2008 at 5:46pm:
Not to me he hasn't. Unless there is some big ass exception to the Laws of Primacy and Recency that I am completely unaware of. Which is highly unlikely. Nah, you can shovel most of it on George Walker Bush III. He's a reactor, not a preemptor, as that takes conceptual non-linear thinking. And his reaction is usually "Huh? Goats? What?..........um...... Spend more $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$!" |
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Title: Re: [NSC] Why Obama is Unfit to Be President Post by Riffhard on Jun 11th, 2008 at 6:58pm Starbuck wrote on Jun 11th, 2008 at 5:46pm:
Uhhh Bucky my point about Jimma was dead on. That you have a problem with recent histroy is not my problem. I am not blaming Carter for 9/11 at all. I am blaming him for allowing the seed of Islamic extremism to be planted inside Iran because of his limp wristed foriegn policy in dealing with the issue at the time. Most historians agree with that as well. 9/11 happened as a result of the emboldening of Islamic extremism that Carter's ineffectual foriegn policy spawned. However, it was Wahabists from Saudi Arabia that were responsible for 9/11. That Moonie loves to try and stupidly lay the blame on Bush for 9/11 is the real funny thing! I read the 9/11 Commision Report, Moonie! Did you?! It clearly pointed out the fact that the erection of a wall of silence between the FBI, the CIA, and local officials was to blame for allowing the 20 highjackers to go unnoticed. Who erected that wall?! None other than Jamie S. Gorelick! That's right the very same Jamie S. Gorelick that helped write the 9/11 Report!! Who appointed her? Bill Clinton! You know one of the most corrupt presidents in the history of the USA. The same Bill Clinton that had eight solid years to do something about the ever growing threat of Islamic extremism but instead was getting hummers from a 21 year old intern in the Oval Office. Shall we list all the acts of Islamic Terror against the USA on his watch? No. It too tedious and long to rehash. Moonie can stupidly try and blame Bush, but the real facts don't support that at all. Not even close! First he cites the 9/11 Report which spreads the blame around fairly equally. Secondly he cites a Clinton hold over in Richard Clarke! Richard Clarke! Are you fucking kidding me!?!?! LOL! Please! Plus the intel report that he cites from the Smoking Gun is crap plain and simple. Sure it's a real intel report, but taken out of context in the extreme. These reports were merely update reports that even Bill Clinton had read on a weekly basis. While Bubba had 8 years to respond he didn't. He got head from an intern instead. Bush had been in office for eight months. Who the fuck was the president when these Islamic fucks were in flight school?! It wasn't Bush. Say what you want about Bush, as I know that you suffer from BDS. However, the USA has not been hit since 9/11, and on Bush's orders hundreds of thousands of the fuckheads are now dead. Clinton did nothing but get blown. The only point I'll concede is that Bush has spent money like a drunken sailor on leave, and no, I'm not talking about the war either. Riffy |
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Title: Re: [NSC] Why Obama is Unfit to Be President Post by steeldrivinghammer on Jun 11th, 2008 at 7:02pm |
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Title: Re: [NSC] Why Obama is Unfit to Be President Post by gimmekeef on Jun 11th, 2008 at 7:36pm
that may be the most disgusting thing I've seen ever on the internet.And I've seen al ot of crap.....
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Title: Re: [NSC] Why Obama is Unfit to Be President Post by Riffhard on Jun 11th, 2008 at 7:55pm gimmekeef wrote on Jun 11th, 2008 at 7:36pm:
Yeah it's pretty sick, but if you actually read what the exhibit is all about he is using the term assasination in a metaphorical context. In other words he's trying to make the case that people are trying assinate Obama's character. Which is kinda funny given the fact that Obama has been given a complete pass from the press for all of his stupid gaffs and insane policy ideas. The artist is just another in a long line of brain dead drones who can't think for themselves. And speaking of the Messiah. Looks as if he has once again laid down with another dog that he recently had to throw under the bus along with his "white grandmother", Reverand Wright, Father Phleger, Tony Rezko,and so on, and so on, and so on..... http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601087&sid=auHZ.1T7m1gw&refer=home Asked to comment Barrack said, "I am saddened. This is not the James Johnson that I have come to know." Or some such shit to that effect. Riffy |
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Title: Re: [NSC] Why Obama is Unfit to Be President Post by glencar on Jun 11th, 2008 at 8:01pm
Does O'Bama know anyone well? He's constantly getting let down by those people that he truted & loved. It's sad, no?
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Title: Re: [NSC] Why Obama is Unfit to Be President Post by glencar on Jun 11th, 2008 at 8:02pm Some Guy wrote on Jun 11th, 2008 at 11:44am:
You (and Barry O!) are a bit short on specifics, tater. |
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Title: Re: Moonie: is THIS your savior??? Post by glencar on Jun 11th, 2008 at 8:03pm Starbuck wrote on Jun 10th, 2008 at 11:31am:
He should never vogue like that again. |
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Title: Re: [NSC] Why Obama is Unfit to Be President Post by gimmekeef on Jun 11th, 2008 at 8:04pm wrote on Jun 11th, 2008 at 8:01pm:
May not be a lot going on between those Dumbo ears.Wait till Rev Al and Jesse get wound up then the poop will fly.Sad its come down to such lame choices on either side when the issues demand truly a leader with impeccable skills. |
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Title: Re: [NSC] Why Obama is Unfit to Be President Post by glencar on Jun 11th, 2008 at 8:09pm gimmekeef wrote on Jun 11th, 2008 at 1:43pm:
Obama's jobs have been "community activist" & public trough pol. Essentially, the same thing. As for McCain, he's been at the public trough for at least 40 years, yes, even when he was serving his country in Viet Nam. O'Bama isn't half the man that McCain is. |
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Title: Re: [NSC] Why Obama is Unfit to Be President Post by glencar on Jun 11th, 2008 at 8:10pm gimmekeef wrote on Jun 11th, 2008 at 8:04pm:
We have 2 choices this year: another neophyte or a man of considerable experience & depth. Uh, I think I know which one is my choice. |
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Title: Re: [NSC] Why Obama is Unfit to Be President Post by Riffhard on Jun 11th, 2008 at 8:10pm gimmekeef wrote on Jun 11th, 2008 at 8:04pm:
Could not agree with you more on this instance. We are screwed blue my friend! Riffy |
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Title: Re: [NSC] Why Obama is Unfit to Be President Post by gimmekeef on Jun 11th, 2008 at 8:10pm wrote on Jun 11th, 2008 at 8:09pm:
No Glenny he isnt.But neither is half the man we need now..... |
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Title: Re: [NSC] Why Obama is Unfit to Be President Post by lotsajizz on Jun 11th, 2008 at 8:11pm
many here are doomed to repeat the lesson learned too late by Emperor Julian
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Title: Re: [NSC] Why Obama is Unfit to Be President Post by glencar on Jun 11th, 2008 at 8:13pm lotsajizz wrote on Jun 11th, 2008 at 8:11pm:
This will be the 3rd election since 1992 with a neophyte versus an exeprienced leader & I'm afraid we might be making the 3rd mistake in a row. |
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Title: Re: [NSC] Why Obama is Unfit to Be President Post by glencar on Jun 11th, 2008 at 8:14pm gimmekeef wrote on Jun 11th, 2008 at 8:10pm:
I preferred McCain in 2000 but Bush beat him. I know he's a bit older now but he's still waaaaaaaaaaaay ahead of O'Bama on every level. Even the superficial ones, for Pete's sake. |
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Title: Re: [NSC] Why Obama is Unfit to Be President Post by Riffhard on Jun 11th, 2008 at 8:15pm wrote on Jun 11th, 2008 at 8:10pm:
My problem with McCain is that he is clearly telling conservatives to fuck off. His stance on drilling and refining our own oil for example. His stand on illegal immigration as well. His stand on tax cuts, which he just rercently saw the light on. His stand on GITMO. I will vote for him, but I wil hold my nose while doing so. At least he is strong on defense and foriegn policy. Obama? Not so much. Riffy |
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Title: Re: [NSC] Why Obama is Unfit to Be President Post by glencar on Jun 11th, 2008 at 8:17pm Riffhard wrote on Jun 11th, 2008 at 8:15pm:
You'll never get a candidate that you're 100% happy with, Riff. I like McCain a lot more than I liked W but I still supported W when he won the nomination in 2000. |
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Title: Re: [NSC] Why Obama is Unfit to Be President Post by gimmekeef on Jun 11th, 2008 at 8:23pm
Guys...would you agree the issues facing America and her allies are as tough as we may have seen in our lifetime? I mean I feel its so bad we need to have someone inspiring with new vision and ideas.I just dont see it anywhere right now and holding my nose to vote is so scary..anyway....The Congressional largesse must be stopped but that too seems so hopeless.Fuck wheres the fridge.
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Title: Re: [NSC] Why Obama is Unfit to Be President Post by Riffhard on Jun 11th, 2008 at 8:26pm wrote on Jun 11th, 2008 at 8:17pm:
I too shall support McCain for the nomination Blue. I'm just not pretending, like some here, that he is a conservative. He's not! Never has been. He made his name in DC by being a "maverick". On certain issues? Sure. But not on many of them. We need another Ronaldus Magnus badly! I'm keeping my eye on Bobby Jindal in Louisianna. That guy is great. Have you heard hinm Blue? The guy sounds like Reagan part deux! He's great. Give him a few years and I think that he may well lead another conservative revolution. It's a fact that every time conservatism is tried it wins, and it works. McCain seemingly dosen't get that fact. For that matter niether has Bush Sr. or Bush Jr. Riffy |
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Title: Re: [NSC] Why Obama is Unfit to Be President Post by glencar on Jun 11th, 2008 at 8:50pm gimmekeef wrote on Jun 11th, 2008 at 8:23pm:
No, I think the issues when we were facing down the USSR were more pressing than today. The economy isn't great but it still rumbles along, students are learning more, our environment is much cleaner & the market will take care of the huge rise in oil prices. I think we're actually doing fairly well if it wasn't for W fucking up that war! |
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Title: Re: [NSC] Why Obama is Unfit to Be President Post by glencar on Jun 11th, 2008 at 8:51pm
Riffy, I've been following Jindal since he had a Senate election stolen form him back in 2002. He's a good guy & whip smart. I suspect he posts at www.maxlugar.com on occasion.
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Title: Re: [NSC] Why Obama is Unfit to Be President Post by mojoman on Jun 11th, 2008 at 11:19pm
From Times Online June 5, 2008
His 1964 track 'The Times They are a-Changin' became the anthem for his generation, symbolising the era-defining social struggle against the establishment. Now Bob Dylan - who could justifiably claim to be the architect of Barack Obama's 'change' catchphrase - has backed the Illinois senator to do for modern America what the generation before did in the 1960s. In an exclusive interview with The Times, published today, Dylan gives a ringing endorsement to Mr Obama, the first ever black presidential candidate, claiming he is "redefining the nature of politics from the ground up". Dylan, 67, made the comments when being interviewed in Denmark, where he stopped over in a hotel during a tour of Scandinavia. Asked about his views on American politics, he said: "Well, you know right now America is in a state of upheaval. Poverty is demoralising. You can't expect people to have the virtue of purity when they are poor. "But we've got this guy out there now who is redefining the nature of politics from the ground up...Barack Obama. "He's redefining what a politician is, so we'll have to see how things play out. Am I hopeful? Yes, I'm hopeful that things might change. Some things are going to have to." He added: “You should always take the best from the past, leave the worst back there and go forward into the future." Dylan's endorsement contains much symbolic significance. The legendary singer-songwriter, who has an art exhibition opening in London next week, became a focal point for young people worldwide when he released the album 'The times they are a-changin'," including the famous song of that name, in 1964. The track, which he wrote as the social liberation of the '60s astonished politicians and parents, included lines urging people to accept and embrace what was happening around them. Memorable lines included: "Come senators, congressmen, please heed the call. Don't stand in the doorway, don't block up the hall," and: "Come mothers and fathers throughout the land, and don't criticise what you can't understand. Your sons and your daughters are beyond your command. Your old road is rapidly agin'." |
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Title: Re: [NSC] Why Obama is Unfit to Be President Post by Ian Billen on Jun 12th, 2008 at 3:36am
Well Hillary is definitely out now. Trouble is Mccain is just so "out of touch" and stuck in his ways. I just can't see him cutting the mustard at all. As president, in the debates or the election.
Obama will swamp him at the debates, ESPECIALLY at the town hall meetings Mccain specifically requested. In this less formal "chancy" and open debate scenario he has permanently sealed his fate truthfully. He would do better if their was more room for the mediators to step in or conduct more order in a more formal debate. I thought a month ago that Obama "could" win against Mccain but it would be really tough. I figured Hillary would have much better chance (and I still do if she would of been elected). However with the fragility of Mccains temper, his recent demeanor, and his speaking over all as of real recently I just can't see him getting through this well. I do see Obama in the exact opposite light at the debates and for the most part in his comments from here on out. If Obama does not royally screw it up for himself, or if nothing is uncovered about him from now till the election he will have it pretty easy. Ian |
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Title: Re: [NSC] Why Obama is Unfit to Be President Post by Starbuck on Jun 12th, 2008 at 9:19am wrote on Jun 11th, 2008 at 8:50pm:
finally! a rightie admits fault! the world and america would be a much better and safer place if not for W's failed iraq campaign! :Youmakeagrownmancrylikejoey |
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Title: Re: [NSC] Why Obama is Unfit to Be President Post by Wild Bill on Jun 12th, 2008 at 10:07am Ian Billen wrote on Jun 12th, 2008 at 3:36am:
At least McCain is a man of substance. Obammie is just a fuckin' charlatan. - Subject: John McCain's Sons Talk about putting your most valuable where your mouth is! Apparently this was not 'newsworthy' enough for the media to comment about. Can either of the other presidential candidates truthfully come close to this? ... Just a question for each of us to seek an answer, and not a statement. You see...character is what's shown when the public is not looking. There were no cameras or press invited to what you are about to read about, and the story comes from one person in New Hampshire. One evening last July, Senator John McCain of Arizona arrived at the New Hampshire home of Erin Flanagan for sandwiches, chocolate-chip cookies and a heartfelt talk about Iraq. They had met at a presidential debate, when she asked the candidates what they would do to bring home American soldiers - - soldiers like her brother, who had been killed in action a few months earlier. Mr. McCain did not bring cameras or press. Instead, he brought his youngest son, James McCain, 19, then a private first class in the Marine Corps about to leave for Iraq. Father and son sat down to hear more about Ms. Flanagan's brother Michael Cleary, a 24-year-old Army First Lieutenant killed by an ambush ... a roadside bomb. No one mentioned the obvious: In just days, Jimmy McCain could face similar perils. 'I can't imagine what it must have been like for them as they were coming to meet with a family that ......' Ms. Flanagan recalled, choking up. 'We lost a dear one,' she finished. Mr. McCain, now the presumptive Republican nominee, has staked his candidacy on the promise that American troops can bring stability to Iraq. What he almost never says is that one of them is his own son, who spent seven months patrolling Anbar Province and learned of his father's New Hampshire victory in January while he was digging a stuck military vehicle out of the mud. Two of Jimmy's three older brothers went into the military. Doug McCain, 48, was a Navy pilot. Jack McCain, 21, is to graduate from the Naval Academy next year, raising the chances that his father, if elected, could become the first president since Dwight D. Eisenhower with a son at war. I chose to share this with those who I believe will pass it on, to others who will pass it on. We hear so much inflated trash out there. How about a simple act of kindness ... and dedication to others placed above oneself? Has anybody heard if Barack Hussein Obama has served in The American Armed Services? From Barack's book, Audacity of Hope: 'I will stand with the Muslims should the political winds shift in an ugly direction.' HE DID NOT SAY STAND WITH AMERICANS |
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Title: Re: [NSC] Why Obama is Unfit to Be President Post by mojoman on Jun 12th, 2008 at 10:18am
why does the US Supreme Court love the terrorists?
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Title: Re: [NSC] Why Obama is Unfit to Be President Post by gimmekeef on Jun 12th, 2008 at 10:35am mojoman wrote on Jun 12th, 2008 at 10:18am:
They are merely again stating that the laws should be followed.Bring the charges and the trials of these people and stop hiding them on some Island.Hasnt it been long enough to determine a case against them?Pcosecute them fully and let justice take its course and execute the guilty if appropriate and set any innocent free. |
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Title: Re: [NSC] Why Obama is Unfit to Be President Post by LadyJane on Jun 12th, 2008 at 10:39am gimmekeef wrote on Jun 12th, 2008 at 10:35am:
Exactly!! We DO have a Constitution and "King George" has been reminded of it by a rather right-tilted Supreme Court. LJ. |
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Title: Re: [NSC] Why Obama is Unfit to Be President Post by Starbuck on Jun 12th, 2008 at 11:28am
NAW, joey!
NAW ffs! :aimama |
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Title: Re: [NSC] Why Obama is Unfit to Be President Post by ijwthstd on Jun 12th, 2008 at 2:31pm Ian Billen wrote on Jun 12th, 2008 at 3:36am:
Actually Obama isn't all that great either without a prepared speech. McCain can respond well to questions but not so well with a prepared speech which is why I imagine he made the challenge. |
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Title: Re: [NSC] Why Obama is Unfit to Be President Post by Some Guy on Jun 12th, 2008 at 2:33pm
2 douchebags and big troubles.
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Title: Re: [NSC] Why Obama is Unfit to Be President Post by Joey on Jun 12th, 2008 at 2:49pm
" ................. and big troubles "
Lord Jesus Christ, You chose to share our human nature, to redeem all people, and to heal the sick. With this in mind I beg You to look with compassion on Your humble servant Mr.L, support him with Your power, comfort him with Your protection, and give him the strength needed to fight against evil. Since You have given Mr.L., a share in Your own passion, help them to find hope in suffering for You, Jesus. |
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Title: Re: [NSC] Why Obama is Unfit to Be President Post by Some Guy on Jun 12th, 2008 at 3:13pm
I wish jb would quit being such a huge pussy.
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Title: Re: [NSC] Why Obama is Unfit to Be President Post by Joey on Jun 12th, 2008 at 4:28pm |
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Title: Re: [NSC] Why Obama is Unfit to Be President Post by Ian Billen on Jun 12th, 2008 at 4:33pm Wild Bill wrote on Jun 12th, 2008 at 10:07am:
___________________________________ I did not say, or think MCcain does not beleive in his thought s and views. I am totally convinced he does. I also realize Mccain will "tell you how it is". I don't think he is phony in the least. Those are the best qualities ANY politician could ever have the stouthearted realness to actually have. That is his true benefit. I just think his policies are just too much in line with the current Presidents. Not only on our Military, but on the economy as well. Also, I cannot see him being as versatile or able to change direction or his approach should something not work. He seems just too stuck in his ways. What is this line referring to in Obama's book? Can you fill me in? Is it taken out of context? Just curious. Ian |
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Title: Re: [NSC] Why Obama is Unfit to Be President Post by Ian Billen on Jun 12th, 2008 at 4:40pm ijwthstd wrote on Jun 12th, 2008 at 2:31pm:
__________________________________ I KNOW!!! THANK YOU. I have told this to folks all along. Obama is "Ok" but nothing really outstanding in a live debate. Hillary was actually a little better at knowing what she is talking about, and having facts to back it up, and responding perfectly "off the cuff". Thing is Hillary was such a turn-off. But I can see Mccain getting angry pretty fast there were as in something more formal it may be smoothed over. If Mccain looses his temper. This ones over. I am sure he is not going to swear or anything but if he gets visibly pretty angry people will flock the other way. This is the direction of America right now anyway. Just my honest thoughts. Ian |
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Title: Re: [NSC] Why Obama is Unfit to Be President Post by steeldrivinghammer on Jun 12th, 2008 at 7:04pm
Every picture tells a story don't it...
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Title: Re: [NSC] Why Obama is Unfit to Be President Post by mojoman on Jun 12th, 2008 at 7:27pm Some Guy wrote on Jun 12th, 2008 at 3:13pm:
miss jew? |
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Title: Re: [NSC] Why Obama is Unfit to Be President Post by glencar on Jun 12th, 2008 at 8:14pm Ian Billen wrote on Jun 12th, 2008 at 3:36am:
Please don't take offense but your posts on politics are even dumber than your posts on the Stones recording process. |
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Title: Re: [NSC] Why Obama is Unfit to Be President Post by glencar on Jun 12th, 2008 at 8:16pm Starbuck wrote on Jun 12th, 2008 at 9:19am:
My problem isn't with the initial war but with the Bremerist fuck-ups that followed. I support the surge & I don't think we can leave & hope for the best. |
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Title: Re: [NSC] Why Obama is Unfit to Be President Post by Ian Billen on Jun 12th, 2008 at 8:23pm
Ok. I really have to share this. Muslims and/or the Islamic Religion have been cursed a horrible name and reputation that is not true to the great majority of that faith.
Yes, there ARE several "radical" Muslims in the world. There are some"radical Muslim groups". Why? because the radical area which is most terroristic is the Middle East. Now, in the Middle East Islam is by far and away the most popular religion. People of the Muslim faith are easily identified where-as with other religions it can be virtually impossible just by appearance or the way someone speaks. IF you see someone from the Middlle East... A person instantly thinks ....Terrorist/American Hater. It is not ture. However it is a very safe bet that their religion is Islamic and their a Muslim. There ARE radical groups in the middle east. They DO perform terrorist acts. They ARE easily or all Muslim. However 99% of all Muslims do NOT believe in Killing (unless it is in defense). 99% of all Muslims do NOT want war or to take over the world. 99% do not hate Americans. I personally know True Muslims. I can HONESTLY say, they are of the most generous, caring, and non-aggressive people I have ever known. I have known these Muslims personally for years and years. Speak to them dailey. Been inside their house 1,000 times and they have given me all kinds of things and even lent me money, given me food when I had none, and gave me rides when I needed them....and I am not Muslim (I am not 100% sure exactly what Religion yet I am but I do believe their is a God). *NEVER have they ever tried to convert me or push me that way. They were just honest, generous deeds. They would not even accept any payback for any of these things they did for me. They beleive by giving to others it is Gods way and they truly wanted to help me. These Muslims have spoke to me on several occasions on their faith, what it teaches, and The non-altered Koran vs. The true Koran. They are different and many things in the true Koran that are said have been taken entirely of out their actual "context". They DO believe in defending themselves and NOT turning the other cheek (so do I). They insist on fighting evil head-on versus giving into to it. No. They do not beleive America is Evil. They dis-agree with a lot on social and Goverment issues. The woman in the Muslim home is not under lock, held down, and basically runs her own show like a normal housewife in most all respects. She can speak to who-ever she wants, whenever she wants like you or I. Yes, these people that I know personally are true, hard-core Muslims and are educated in Islam. They go to the Mosque, study and practice their religion with other Muslims....the whole nine-yards. They wear their head-wear, pray to Allah 5 times a day, and follow this faith very strictly for years. Two of these people are white, and converted to Islam as adults (some are black, some are Arab). I know a Muslim Doctor. He is a young guy. Younger than I. He is funny, cool, non-arrogant, and everyone who knows him loves the guy upon meeting him. His non Muslim patients say he is the most kind, and understanding Doctor they have ever had. He is a great doctor as well. He is Arab. So this is my very personal experience with Muslims. Yes, there are some that give them a bad name. No they do not all have a hidden agenda or hate Americans (most don't). Guess what, there are many, many of murderers, terrorists and deceitful people of all faiths.... when they perform crude or inhuman acts you never hear of their religion (well l at least most of the time) as being an issue... No Muslim that I have ever met has really done anything negative to me directly or indirectly. In fact, for the most part they have all been the exact opposite and have denounced their often bad reputation in speaking about it and through their deeds that I have seen. I just had to share my experiences here with some true black, white, and Arab Muslims I know very personally. I hope nobody sees me differently now. If you do, you definitely should not, and I cannot help but speak regarding my personal experiences with people who follow Islam. Ian |
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Title: Re: [NSC] Why Obama is Unfit to Be President Post by glencar on Jun 12th, 2008 at 8:39pm
There are Muslims & then there are Muslims. One shouldn't egneralize too much in either direction. One should also learn English syntax but one can't hope for too much, can I!???????????
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Title: Re: [NSC] Why Obama is Unfit to Be President Post by Starbuck on Jun 12th, 2008 at 11:11pm
thanks, ian, for stating what we all know already.
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Title: Re: [NSC] Why Obama is Unfit to Be President Post by stonedinaustralia on Jun 12th, 2008 at 11:54pm wrote on Jun 12th, 2008 at 8:39pm:
careful glen, best ensure your own house is in order - that should be "One should also learn English syntax but one can't hope for too much, can one!?????????" :willya ;) |
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Title: Re: [NSC] Why Obama is Unfit to Be President Post by Ian Billen on Jun 13th, 2008 at 1:33am Starbuck wrote on Jun 12th, 2008 at 11:11pm:
________________________ Starbuck, let me guess ...you are in Europe? The reason I say this is because ***you could not be more incorrect of the perception of Islam faith to at least 50% of the general people in the United States. Their reputation is more stereo-typed to it's worse example than even any creed, or even any race stereo-type issue here in the States. TRUST ME. Their reputation with at least 1/2 of Americans is "Oh, your Muslim, well then you are anti-American, may be a terrorist or you support terrorism, and would kill me for Allah just because I don't believe exactly as you". That is the instant perception. No Joke. All you have to do is say the word Muslim and everyones head turns here. *I don't know where you are but everyone certainly DOESN'T know here in the states. Infact at least half think the exact opposite of my earlier notes on Islam. This is why I wanted to state this, in spreading the REAL truth about Muslims and the Islamic faith. Ian |
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Title: Re: [NSC] Why Obama is Unfit to Be President Post by lotsajizz on Jun 13th, 2008 at 6:39am Ian Billen wrote on Jun 12th, 2008 at 8:23pm:
One nation is at the root of all the problems over there. Thank you, Harry fucking Truman!! btw, bucky a Eurpopean?!?! you funny Mr. Billen!!!! pay attention OK now |
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Title: Re: [NSC] Why Obama is Unfit to Be President Post by Riffhard on Jun 13th, 2008 at 9:22am lotsajizz wrote on Jun 13th, 2008 at 6:39am:
LOL! Bucky's from Barcelona, right? Riffy |
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Title: Re: [NSC] Why Obama is Unfit to Be President Post by Starbuck on Jun 13th, 2008 at 11:01am
actually, i'm a black UPS driver.
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Title: Re: [NSC] Why Obama is Unfit to Be President Post by mojoman on Jun 13th, 2008 at 11:07am Starbuck wrote on Jun 13th, 2008 at 11:01am:
a black man driving a brown truck? |
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Title: Re: [NSC] Why Obama is Unfit to Be President Post by Joey on Jun 13th, 2008 at 2:02pm
" a black man driving a brown truck ? "
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Title: Re: [NSC] Why Obama is Unfit to Be President Post by glencar on Jun 13th, 2008 at 9:32pm stonedinaustralia wrote on Jun 12th, 2008 at 11:54pm:
My humor escaped you, no? |
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Title: Re: [NSC] Why Obama is Unfit to Be President Post by glencar on Jun 13th, 2008 at 9:32pm Ian Billen wrote on Jun 13th, 2008 at 1:33am:
Goddam, but yer stoopit! |
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Title: Re: [NSC] Why Obama is Unfit to Be President Post by stonedinaustralia on Jun 14th, 2008 at 12:05am
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My humor escaped you, no?[/quote] Yes!! |
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Title: Re: [NSC] Why Obama is Unfit to Be President Post by glencar on Jun 14th, 2008 at 1:28am
Sorry!
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Title: Re: [NSC] Why Obama is Unfit to Be President Post by Joey on Jun 14th, 2008 at 10:10am
" Sorry! "
Blue ............................................................. I just purchased a Chiba-Chiba Pet. W- What ?! ...... Oh , sure ! : It's a clay sculpture with grooves on it. It's the same material they make clay flower pots out of. The original sculpture was shaped like a newly shorn sheep. Other figures since include some funny guy and more recently there's one of Homer Simpson. The sculpture comes with a packet of seeds in a sort of growing medium--like mulch or peat but man-made. You soak the sculpture in water over night. The next morning you apply the moistened seeds and growing medium to the sculpture. You leave the sculpture in a tray of water. Several days later, the seeds sprout and it looks like the sheep or Homer Simpson or whatever has grown hair. But here's what's most magical of all. Eventually the sprouts grow to about 6 feet tall. You harvest the leaves and dry them out, separating out the seeds and stems. You roll the leaves like tobacco in cigarette paper. Or put them in a pipe. You smoke it. Chiba-chiba! " Hit Me Ronnie ! " 'kins |
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Title: Re: [NSC] Why Obama is Unfit to Be President Post by mojoman on Jun 14th, 2008 at 6:13pm Joey wrote on Jun 14th, 2008 at 10:10am:
The Death Star will be completed on schedule |
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Title: Re: [NSC] Why Obama is Unfit to Be President Post by glencar on Jun 17th, 2008 at 3:49pm
One can only hope...
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Title: Re: [NSC] Why Obama is Unfit to Be President Post by mojoman on Jun 17th, 2008 at 3:52pm wrote on Jun 17th, 2008 at 3:49pm:
yes we can? |
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Title: Re: [NSC] Why Obama is Unfit to Be President Post by glencar on Jun 17th, 2008 at 3:57pm
Empty slogans always win!
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Title: Re: [NSC] Why Obama is Unfit to Be President Post by gimmekeef on Jun 17th, 2008 at 4:06pm wrote on Jun 17th, 2008 at 3:57pm:
Yup...like no child left behind...... |
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Title: Re: [NSC] Why Obama is Unfit to Be President Post by Some Guy on Jun 17th, 2008 at 4:06pm
gettin jiggy wit it.
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Title: Re: [NSC] Why Obama is Unfit to Be President Post by glencar on Jun 17th, 2008 at 4:08pm
A bridge to the 21st century...
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Title: Re: [NSC] Why Obama is Unfit to Be President Post by Some Guy on Jun 17th, 2008 at 4:18pm wrote on Jun 17th, 2008 at 4:08pm:
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Title: Re: [NSC] Why Obama is Unfit to Be President Post by glencar on Jun 17th, 2008 at 4:18pm
Blogger please!
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Title: Re: [NSC] Why Obama is Unfit to Be President Post by Joey on Jun 17th, 2008 at 4:58pm
" Blogger please "
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Title: Re: [NSC] Why Obama is Unfit to Be President Post by mojoman on Jun 17th, 2008 at 7:19pm wrote on Jun 17th, 2008 at 4:08pm:
bridges to babylon? |
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Title: Re: [NSC] Why Obama is Unfit to Be President Post by glencar on Jun 19th, 2008 at 7:27am Looks like he should cut back on the BLT's! |
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Title: Re: [NSC] Why Obama is Unfit to Be President Post by Glimmer Twin on Jun 20th, 2008 at 10:04pm
Plain and simple, he's got no experience. None.
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Title: Re: [NSC] Why Obama is Unfit to Be President Post by glencar on Jun 21st, 2008 at 11:52am
And yet people are excited about him! He's JFK 2.0! LOL
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Title: Re: [NSC] Why Obama is Unfit to Be President Post by glencar on Jun 21st, 2008 at 12:43pm
And now, THE RACE CARD (from the bottom of the deck, as usual!):
http://www.reuters.com/article/politicsNews/idUSN2040982720080620?feedType=RSS&feedName=politicsNews&rpc=22&sp=true |
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Title: Re: [NSC] Why Obama is Unfit to Be President Post by glencar on Jun 21st, 2008 at 12:44pm
For posterity:
By Caren Bohan JACKSONVILLE, Florida (Reuters) - Democratic presidential contender Barack Obama said on Friday he expects Republicans to highlight the fact that he is black as part of an effort to make voters afraid of him. "It is going to be very difficult for Republicans to run on their stewardship of the economy or their outstanding foreign policy," Obama told a fundraiser in Jacksonville, Florida. "We know what kind of campaign they're going to run. They're going to try to make you afraid. "They're going to try to make you afraid of me. He's young and inexperienced and he's got a funny name. And did I mention he's black?" He said he was also set for Republicans to say "he's got a feisty wife," in trying to attack his wife Michelle. "We know the strategy because they've already shown their cards. Ultimately I think the American people recognize that old stuff hasn't moved us forward. That old stuff just divides us," he said. Obama, born to a white mother from Kansas and a black father from Kenya, has cast himself as a candidate who can bridge divides within the country, including those involving race. It has been rare for him to bring up the topic during his presidential bid. In March he gave a widely praised speech on the subject after receiving criticism over racially charged comments by his longtime pastor. Obama, who faces Republican John McCain in the November election, would be the first black U.S. president. |
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Title: Re: [NSC] Why Obama is Unfit to Be President Post by Wintermute on Jun 21st, 2008 at 1:01pm Glimmer Twin wrote on Jun 20th, 2008 at 10:04pm:
Neither did J.F.K. yet he averted nuclear annihilation quite handily during the Cuban missile crisis despite bad advice from most of his top military advisors. If McCain had been in office back then with all of his "experience," he likely would have gone along with General Curtis LeMay's suggestion: "Let's nuke the fuckers!" I'll take reason over experience any day of the week. Especially young reason over old fucking decrepit experience from a bygone age. |
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Title: Re: [NSC] Why Obama is Unfit to Be President Post by Joey on Jun 21st, 2008 at 2:11pm < ----- They Got Six MILLION of us ...... NEVER AGAIN !!!!!!!!! That is RIGHT Lil' buddy ( Lil' Fiji ... oh , OH Little Fijikins ) NEVER AGAIN will we Jews march peacefully into the Gas Chambers ! NEVER !!! | | V " U.S. says exercise by Israel seemed directed at Iran By Michael R. Gordon and Eric Schmitt Friday, June 20, 2008 " " WASHINGTON: Israel carried out a major military exercise earlier this month that American officials say appeared to be a rehearsal for a potential bombing attack on Iran's nuclear facilities. Several American officials said the Israeli exercise appeared to be an effort to develop the military's capacity to carry out long-range strikes and to demonstrate the seriousness with which Israel views Iran's nuclear program. More than 100 Israeli F-16 and F-15 fighters participated in the maneuvers, which were carried out over the eastern Mediterranean and over Greece during the first week of June, American officials said. The exercise also included Israeli helicopters that could be used to rescue downed pilots. The helicopters and refueling tankers flew more than 900 miles, which is about the same distance between Israel and Iran's uranium enrichment plant at Natanz, American officials said. Israeli officials declined to discuss the details of the exercise. A spokesman for the Israeli military would say only that the country's air force "regularly trains for various missions in order to confront and meet the challenges posed by the threats facing Israel." But the scope of the Israeli exercise virtually guaranteed that it would be noticed by American and other foreign intelligence agencies. A senior Pentagon official who has been briefed on the exercise, and who spoke on condition of anonymity because of the political delicacy of the matter, said the exercise appeared to serve multiple purposes. One Israeli goal, the Pentagon official said, was to practice flight tactics, aerial refueling and all other details of a possible strike against Iran's nuclear installations and its long-range conventional missiles. A second, the official said, was to send a clear message to the United States and other countries that Israel was prepared to act militarily if diplomatic efforts to stop Iran from producing bomb-grade uranium continued to falter. "They wanted us to know, they wanted the Europeans to know, and they wanted the Iranians to know," the Pentagon official said. "There's a lot of signaling going on at different levels." Several American officials said they did not believe that the Israeli government had concluded that it must attack Iran and did not think that such a strike was imminent. Shaul Mofaz, a former Israeli defense minister who is now a deputy prime minister, warned in a recent interview with the Israeli newspaper Yediot Aharonot that Israel might have no choice but to attack. "If Iran continues with its program for developing nuclear weapons, we will attack," Mofaz said in the interview published on June 6, the day after the unpublicized exercise ended. "Attacking Iran, in order to stop its nuclear plans, will be unavoidable." But Mofaz was criticized by other Israeli politicians as seeking to enhance his own standing as questions mount about whether the embattled Israeli prime minister, Ehud Olmert, can hang on to power. Israeli officials have told their American counterparts that Mofaz's statement does not represent official policy. But American officials were also told that Israel had prepared plans for striking nuclear targets in Iran and could carry them out if needed. Iran has shown signs that it is taking the Israeli warnings seriously, by beefing up its air defenses in recent weeks, including increasing air patrols. In one instance, Iran scrambled F-4 jets to double-check an Iraqi civilian flight from Baghdad to Tehran. "They are clearly nervous about this and have their air defense on guard," a Bush administration official said of the Iranians. Any Israeli attack against Iran's nuclear facilities would confront a number of challenges. Many American experts say they believe that such an attack could delay but not eliminate Iran's nuclear program. Much of the program's infrastructure is buried under earth and concrete and installed in long tunnels or hallways, making precise targeting difficult. There is also concern that not all of the facilities have been detected. To inflict maximum damage, multiple attacks might be necessary, which many analysts say is beyond Israel's ability at this time. But waiting also entails risks for the Israelis. Israeli officials have repeatedly expressed fears that Iran will soon master the technology it needs to produce substantial quantities of highly enriched uranium for nuclear weapons. Iran is also taking steps to better defend its nuclear facilities. Two sets of advance Russian-made radar systems were recently delivered to Iran. The radar will enhance Iran's ability to detect planes flying at low altitude. Mike McConnell, the director of national intelligence, said in February that Iran was close to acquiring Russian-produced SA-20 surface-to-air missiles. American military officials said that the deployment of such systems would hamper Israel's attack planning, putting pressure on Israel to act before the missiles are fielded. For both the United States and Israel, Iran's nuclear program has been a persistent worry. A National Intelligence Estimate that was issued in December by American intelligence agencies asserted that Iran had suspended work on weapons design in late 2003. The report stated that it was unclear if that work had resumed. It also noted that Iran's work on uranium enrichment and on missiles, two steps that Iran would need to take to field a nuclear weapon, had continued. In late May, the International Atomic Energy Agency reported that Iran's suspected work on nuclear matters was a "matter of serious concern" and that the Iranians owed the agency "substantial explanations." Over the past three decades, Israel has carried out two unilateral attacks against suspected nuclear sites in the Middle East. In 1981, Israeli jets conducted a raid against Iraq's nuclear plant at Osirak after concluding that it was part of Saddam Hussein's program to develop nuclear weapons. In September, Israeli aircraft bombed a structure in Syria that American officials said housed a nuclear reactor built with the aid of North Korea. The United States protested the Israeli strike against Iraq in 1981, but its comments in recent months have amounted to an implicit endorsement of the Israeli strike in Syria. Pentagon officials said that Israel's air forces usually conducted a major early summer training exercise, often flying over the Mediterranean or training ranges in Turkey where they practice bombing runs and aerial refueling. But the exercise this month involved a larger number of aircraft than had been previously observed, and included a lengthy combat rescue mission. Much of the planning appears to reflect a commitment by Israel's military leaders to ensure that its armed forces are adequately equipped and trained, an imperative driven home by the difficulties the Israeli military encountered in its Lebanon operation against Hezbollah. "They rehearse it, rehearse it and rehearse it, so if they actually have to do it, they're ready," the Pentagon official said. "They're not taking any options off the table." http://www.iht.com/articles/2008/06/20/america/20iran.php |
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Title: Re: [NSC] Why Obama is Unfit to Be President Post by glencar on Jun 23rd, 2008 at 1:13am Wintermute wrote on Jun 21st, 2008 at 1:01pm:
But JFK actually ran a campaign. This idiot has no plans & those he has stated generally get lukewarm reviews. Talk to Iran w/o preconditions? Insane! Opt of public financing when he said he wouldn't? Hypocritical. No actual solution to the gas crisis? Sure, that'll work! Cancel NAFTA & CAFTA & whatever else? That'll hurt the economy. All this asshole wants to do is raise taxes on the middle class & shy away from projecting American power anywhere. |
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Title: Re: [NSC] Why Obama is Unfit to Be President Post by Joey on Jun 23rd, 2008 at 9:22am
" But JFK actually ran a campaign. This idiot has no plans & those he has stated generally get lukewarm reviews. Talk to Iran w/o preconditions? Insane! Opt of public financing when he said he wouldn't? Hypocritical. No actual solution to the gas crisis? Sure, that'll work! Cancel NAFTA & CAFTA & whatever else? That'll hurt the economy. "
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Title: Re: [NSC] Why Obama is Unfit to Be President Post by glencar on Jun 23rd, 2008 at 11:08am
I love when you have nothing to say...
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Title: Re: [NSC] Why Obama is Unfit to Be President Post by Joey on Jun 23rd, 2008 at 11:11am
" I love when you have nothing to say "
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Title: Re: [NSC] Why Obama is Unfit to Be President Post by glencar on Jun 23rd, 2008 at 11:13am
FOX News is doing a story tonight on The O'Reilly Factor about how the adoring youth actually have no idea what Barry O'Bama really stands for.
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Title: Re: [NSC] Why Obama is Unfit to Be President Post by Joey on Jun 23rd, 2008 at 1:40pm
" how the adoring youth actually have no idea what Barry O'Bama really stands for "
O'Bama stands for getting the frig out of Iraq before the military calls for a re-instatement of the draft . Word . " The nation of Canada will send the boys right BACK , Ronnie ! " JJJJJJJJJJJJJACKY !!!! |
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Title: Re: [NSC] Why Obama is Unfit to Be President Post by lotsajizz on Jun 23rd, 2008 at 1:49pm wrote on Jun 23rd, 2008 at 11:13am:
oooo, O'Reilly, there's a paragon of oven-handedness OK now |
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Title: Re: [NSC] Why Obama is Unfit to Be President Post by Joey on Jun 23rd, 2008 at 2:05pm
" actually have no idea what Barry O'Bama really stands for "
What ?! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=63h_v6uf0Ao |
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Title: Re: [NSC] Why Obama is Unfit to Be President Post by mojoman on Jun 23rd, 2008 at 2:53pm wrote on Jun 21st, 2008 at 12:44pm:
i had no idea obama was black. no idea!!! |
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Title: Re: [NSC] Why Obama is Unfit to Be President Post by Joey on Jun 23rd, 2008 at 4:34pm
" I had no idea obama was black. no idea !!!! "
mojo ................................................. You make young Joey giggle . |
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Title: Re: [NSC] Why Obama is Unfit to Be President Post by Riffhard on Jun 23rd, 2008 at 6:41pm
Isn't it amusing that the Obama camp is trying to play the race card by claiming that the Republicans are going to play it?! I mean this is the same group that accussed everyone from Bill and Hillary Clinton to Geraldine Ferraro of racism, and it's also kinda funny given the fact that it has been the Democrat Party all along questioning whether or not Obama is "black enough". They have played the hell out of the race card, and they alone!
To date I have yet to hear one Republican try and use Obama's race against. Democrats on the other hand have played it every which way. They hail him simply because he is black. They complain that he's not black enough. They worry that he may be too black (his church, etc.) However, it's always from the Dem Party. Even Michelle Obama has played the race card many times. Hell, she has even played the sexism card. So now Obama plays to the dolts who don't really follow the news, and tries to imply that Republicans are racists. Pretty sick really. Which party has slamed Condi Rice with racist cartoons? What party has left wing rags out there constantly slaming any black man that happens to be conservative or Republican? Yes, it seems to me that Obama should be mindful of the company he keeps! I have known for many years now that the real party of racists is the Democrats. Any party that insists on keeping the black community down by giving them the paltry government tit to suckle from while constantly slamming any black that thinks differently than their little collective of socialists is flat out racist. Liberals racists? You bet your ass they are!!! Riffy |
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Title: Re: [NSC] Why Obama is Unfit to Be President Post by Glimmer Twin on Jun 23rd, 2008 at 8:52pm Wintermute wrote on Jun 21st, 2008 at 1:01pm:
Not true. Kennedy was a Senator for a couple of terms. And he served in WWII as an officer. That's plenty of experience for Commander in Chief. |
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Title: Re: [NSC] Why Obama is Unfit to Be President Post by mojoman on Jun 23rd, 2008 at 10:00pm Wintermute wrote on Jun 21st, 2008 at 1:01pm:
Bentsen: Senator, I served with Jack Kennedy: I knew Jack Kennedy; Jack Kennedy was a friend of mine. Senator, you're no Jack Kennedy |
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Title: Re: [NSC] Why Obama is Unfit to Be President Post by glencar on Jun 24th, 2008 at 10:32am Riffhard wrote on Jun 23rd, 2008 at 6:41pm:
Great work! |
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Title: Re: [NSC] Why Obama is Unfit to Be President Post by Factory Girl on Jun 24th, 2008 at 11:21am
glencar, did you survive the cable guy?
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Title: Re: [NSC] Why Obama is Unfit to Be President Post by Joey on Jun 24th, 2008 at 12:00pm
" glencar, did you survive the cable guy? "
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Title: Re: [NSC] Why Obama is Unfit to Be President Post by glencar on Jun 24th, 2008 at 9:35pm Factory Girl wrote on Jun 24th, 2008 at 11:21am:
Nah, tomorrow. |
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Title: Re: [NSC] Why Obama is Unfit to Be President Post by Joey on Jun 25th, 2008 at 9:21am
" Nah, tomorrow. "
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Title: Re: [NSC] Why Obama is Unfit to Be President Post by Wild Bill on Jun 25th, 2008 at 3:11pm wrote on Jun 23rd, 2008 at 11:13am:
He stands for: Good-looking tall black guys. Affirmative action laws. Lack of true macro-economic understanding. Robbing from the rich and giving to bums. White guilt. Intellectual elitism. Anti-hunting. Being a pussy in the face of terrorists. The welfare/nanny state. ....and a bunch of other things to destroy The United States. |
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Title: Re: [NSC] Why Obama is Unfit to Be President Post by Pdog on Jun 27th, 2008 at 7:18am Wild Bill wrote on Jun 25th, 2008 at 3:11pm:
It's a joy yo know 7 1/2 years of the boy retard have been good for you. Being white and middle class in North america has it pluses, no! |
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Title: Re: [NSC] Why Obama is Unfit to Be President Post by TenThousandMotels on Jun 27th, 2008 at 9:02am
Being a successfull national politician, I doubt Obama stands for anything. Except maybe the size of the next kickback.
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Title: Re: [NSC] Why Obama is Unfit to Be President Post by Pdog on Jun 27th, 2008 at 9:49am
Talk about money???
The right Bush supporters will argue that the war is fought to protect us, stop the spread of Islamic terror, build democracies in the mid-east, remove WMD's and Dictators who have them ect... It's just a paycheck... |
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Title: Re: [NSC] Why Obama is Unfit to Be President Post by glencar on Jun 27th, 2008 at 10:17am
That's awfully cynical. I don't think any GOPers ever accused Clinton of interceding in Bosnia "for a paycheck." Be careful, Bush Derangement Syndrome takes a mind over with deadly speed. You should know that I'm tired of him as POTUS but that doesn't mean I have an ounce of respect for O'bama. McCain might appear to be a crazy old man but he has served our country, he seems clean & he was correct on the need for more troops. I think the fall debates will be quite revealing.
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Title: Re: [NSC] Why Obama is Unfit to Be President Post by Joey on Jun 27th, 2008 at 12:11pm
" I think the fall debates will be quite revealing "
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Title: Re: [NSC] Why Obama is Unfit to Be President Post by Pdog on Jun 27th, 2008 at 12:13pm wrote on Jun 27th, 2008 at 10:17am:
Do you know squat about the Carlyle Group? And who is emplyeed? |
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Title: Re: [NSC] Why Obama is Unfit to Be President Post by ijwthstd on Jun 27th, 2008 at 12:17pm
I am starting to hope Obama gets elected just because it's what Republicans deserve for supporting Bush all these years.
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Title: Re: [NSC] Why Obama is Unfit to Be President Post by Pdog on Jun 27th, 2008 at 12:38pm ijwthstd wrote on Jun 27th, 2008 at 12:17pm:
Hillary would've been only half of the the sting they deserve. I hope the hammer and sickle fall, serves the fascists right... Haha! |
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Title: Re: [NSC] Why Obama is Unfit to Be President Post by glencar on Jun 27th, 2008 at 1:51pm
So now I'm a fascist? LOL As bad as Barry O'Bama is, he's not a Clinton. Thank God!!!!
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Title: Re: [NSC] Why Obama is Unfit to Be President Post by glencar on Jun 27th, 2008 at 2:46pm
According to the Middle East Times, Moqtada al-Sadr’s militia has begun to disintegrate after a series of confrontations with the Iraqi Army throughout the south of Iraq. The remnants of the Mahdi Army have gone underground, forming an armed network on a much smaller scale. How small? Think of the Spartans at Thermopylae, and cut that in half while removing the courage and the military skill:
The Mehdi Army of Moqtada Sadr is evolving into a clandestine movement following Iraqi military operations targeting the group, intelligence suggests. The military wing of the Sadrist Movement, the political party loyal to Shiite cleric Moqtada Sadr, is “turning itself into a secret armed organization,” an Iraqi intelligence official told the Gulf News on condition of anonymity. Iraqi intelligence reports suggest the group’s numbers have dwindled from around 50,000 to as few as 150 in the past few years. Intelligence officials credit decisions by Iraqi Prime Minister Nouri al-Maliki to launch military offensives against Shiite militants in the southern parts of the country as deterring the group. An Iraqi intelligence official reports as many as 2,000 Mehdi Army fighters were killed in recent operations in Basra, Sadr City and the provincial capital of Maysan, Amarah. Where did the rest of the Mahdis go? According to the intel official, a number of them followed Sadr into Iran, fleeing the IA when it came to Basra and Amarah. Maliki broke their back, and Sadr’s continuing issuance of empty threats wasn’t enough to keep the force together. One could see this end result right from the beginning of the surge — actually, before it, when the surge first got announced. Sadr immediately fled to Iran and stayed there, turning the militia into another of Tehran’s proxies. The US kept them out of the way by avoiding engagements with the Mahdis and focusing on al-Qaeda in the West, but Maliki began isolating Sadr politically by building alliances with Sunnis, Kurds, and rival Shi’ites. Sadr got painted as a stooge of the Persians, and rightfully so. And when Maliki finally had a strong enough army, he took the lead against Sadr rather than the US, which finally gave Maliki a political edge against Sadr. This became obvious over the last few weeks, when Sadr couldn’t get more than 1500 people to participate in a Sadr City protest over the Maliki actions in the south. It was a showing of Sadr’s weakness, and the flop showed how much ground Sadr had lost among his own constituency. He strongly suggested that he would declare war against the American forces and end the cease-fire, but he no longer has the forces to do that — and even the Mahdis remember the previous two beatings they took when Sadr dared to actively confront the US in Iraq. Sadr has survived before, but this time he has lost the one asset that kept him politically alive. He may well wind up a forgotten toady in the court of the Iranian mullahcracy, and that’s if he’s lucky. |
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Title: Re: [NSC] Why Obama is Unfit to Be President Post by Starbuck on Jun 27th, 2008 at 3:27pm wrote on Jun 27th, 2008 at 10:17am:
did clinton's involvement in bosnia cost trillions of dollars, five plus years and the lives of 4100 US servicemen and counting? |
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Title: Re: [NSC] Why Obama is Unfit to Be President Post by Pdog on Jun 27th, 2008 at 3:31pm wrote on Jun 27th, 2008 at 1:51pm:
You are no more fascist, than I am socialist. We just live in a hijacked democracy, with alot of people feeding us lies and disinformation. It's not a stretch, that groups like the Carlyle Group, function the same way the national socialist party in Germany did, with one big exception, they hide it better and use capitalism and misinformation to profit from the military industrial complex, which is most profitable during war, and even more profitable when you contract out all the jobs. The Nazis just did it out of hate for Jews and Commies, not greed. The Nazis at the core, believed in country first, not money and power. |
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Title: Re: [NSC] Why Obama is Unfit to Be President Post by glencar on Jun 27th, 2008 at 3:42pm Starbuck wrote on Jun 27th, 2008 at 3:27pm:
We're still there! Iraq has clearly turned the corner & we'll be out of combat there shortly. I wish at this point we hadn't gone in there but I don't want some neophyte dumbass getting elected & reversing course just because. I live in NYC area & I don't want another 9-11. |
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Title: Re: [NSC] Why Obama is Unfit to Be President Post by glencar on Jun 27th, 2008 at 3:43pm Pdog wrote on Jun 27th, 2008 at 3:31pm:
Isn't the Carlyle group just a big hedge fund? Shumer has their back! |
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Title: Re: [NSC] Why Obama is Unfit to Be President Post by mojoman on Jun 27th, 2008 at 6:19pm Pdog wrote on Jun 27th, 2008 at 3:31pm:
at the core i'd go with power then money.......... :whydontcha |
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Title: Re: [NSC] Why Obama is Unfit to Be President Post by Joey on Jun 28th, 2008 at 10:34am
" ... at the core i'd go with power then money.......... "
Are you from the state of Texas ?! |
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Title: Re: [NSC] Why Obama is Unfit to Be President Post by Riffhard on Jul 1st, 2008 at 6:23am
Hmmmm........Gee, it's makes you wonder why people think that Obama is a Marxist?! Perhaps it's because he is! Yet the drones will vote for him anyway. Why not just throw our country right in the shitter. The drones can't see what's staring them right in the face.
http://my.barackobama.com/page/community/group/MarxistsSocialistsCommunistsforObama Riffy |
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Title: Re: [NSC] Why Obama is Unfit to Be President Post by mojoman on Jul 1st, 2008 at 8:14am Joey wrote on Jun 28th, 2008 at 10:34am:
i'm from the state of confusion...... :pullanolte |
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Title: Re: [NSC] Why Obama is Unfit to Be President Post by Pdog on Jul 1st, 2008 at 8:36am
Riffy, my friend, if you really believe Obama is a communist, than I understand how you believe the bull we've been fed for 7 1/2 years. A Communist!!! REALLY? I am more Commie than Obammie!
I have to say this, all your extreme accusations of him, and the overwhelming defenses of this current admin. < I hope you realize just how extreme you are. Over the top mostly, but occasionly a bit fanatical in the rhetoric. This is America, and you act like things aren't known, yet we know more about politicians today, and the unimportant stuff, like we never knew 25 years ago... If you have extrteme beliefs, and actively condemn others extreme beliefs you disagree with, than how is that American? Especially considering, you're basically saying the others are un-American... There's a logical flaw, when only your idealogy is American and right, and the others are whackos who should be locked away and shut up. That is fascism, or part of it. It's ironic to me, you have this Commie complex, because fascists and Comiies do not get along. Food for thought Hometown! |
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Title: Re: [NSC] Why Obama is Unfit to Be President Post by TenThousandMotels on Jul 1st, 2008 at 9:35am
Obama and McCain need to address the serious issues.
Prostitutes feeling the pinch at the pump By Associated Press | Uncategorized | Sunday, 29 June 2008 Rising fuel prices are putting a pinch on the world’s oldest profession. Nevada brothels that cater to long-haul truckers are offering gas cards and other promotions after seeing business decline as much as 25 percent from a year ago, industry officials said. Geoffrey Arnold, president of the Nevada Brothel Owners’ Association, said truckers account for up to 75 percent of business at the state’s rural brothels along Interstate 80 and U.S. Highway 95. He said business is down about 19 percent at his two northern Nevada brothels along I-80: Donna’s Ranch in Wells and Donna’s Battle Mountain Ranch. “We’re being affected by the economy like everybody else,” Arnold said. “Times are tougher … and truckers have less money to spend. They’re not high-rollers anymore.” Diesel fuel costs roughly $4.70 a gallon, up 67.5 percent from a year ago, according to the U.S. Department of Energy. Of Nevada’s 28 legal brothels, 16 are located in rural areas that are being hurt by truckers’ higher diesel costs, Arnold said. Whorehouses closer to Reno and Las Vegas, which rely more on tourists and conventioneers, say business is up this year. In response to a 5 percent drop in business, the Shady Lady Ranch along U.S. 95 about 150 miles north of Las Vegas plans to offer $50 gas cards to clients who spend $300 and $100 gas cards to those who spend $500. The brothel also offers special monthly discounts, including an offer of 45 minutes of services for $175 instead of the usual rate of $200. “Anything that has to do with discretionary income is down,” owner Bobbi Davis said. “Instead of spending $500 out here, they might only spend $300. I see it every time they raise gas prices.” Under a promotion under way at the Moonlite BunnyRanch near Carson City, the first 100 customers who arrive with government stimulus checks receive twice the services for the same regular price. “We’re calling it double your stimulus,” said BunnyRanch owner Dennis Hof. “The brothel industry is having to get more creative just like all consumer products in America. Everybody has got to deal, and we’re doing the same thing.” Sue’s Fantasy Club in Elko doesn’t need to extend any promotions because it doesn’t rely on truckers, said the brothel’s manager, who would identify herself only as Victoria. Business is up from last year because of a booming local economy driven by mining and rising gold prices, she said. “We would be hurting, too, if we had to depend on truckers,” she said. Hardest hit are independent truckers, who must pay for their own fuel, said George Flint, a lobbyist for the brothel owners’ association. “So there goes your disposable income to have a little fun,” Flint told the Reno Gazette-Journal. Since January, the number of long-haul trucks based in Nevada has dropped by 4,100, or 12 percent, said Paul Eons of the Nevada Motor Transport Association. Arnold predicted the industry would weather the slowdown. “The customers won’t be spending as much, but the brothels will still be there,” he said. “After food, the most important activity, at least for men, is sex. Sex is not going away.” The downturn also has affected brothels by leading to an increase in the number of women seeking jobs as legal prostitutes, Arnold added. As business for escort services and strip clubs goes flat, “more women are interested in joining the (brothel) industry,” he said. Nevada is the nation’s only state that allows brothels. Prostitution is legal in 10 of Nevada’s 17 counties, but it’s illegal in the Reno and Las Vegas metropolitan areas. |
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Title: Re: [NSC] Why Obama is Unfit to Be President Post by Pdog on Jul 1st, 2008 at 10:47am
and I thought the sex industry was recession proof.
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Title: Re: [NSC] Why Obama is Unfit to Be President Post by Some Guy on Jul 1st, 2008 at 11:24am |
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Title: Re: [NSC] Why Obama is Unfit to Be President Post by monkey_man on Jul 1st, 2008 at 11:25am
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Marxist??! Really? Even with the naming of Jason Furman to lead his economic policy team!!?? http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/washingtondc/la-na-furman11-2008jun11,0,2364094.story From the Los Angeles Times Obama's selection of Jason Furman as economic advisor is criticized Labor union officials and some liberal activists say Furman is too enamored of globalization and too easy on Wal-Mart. By Tom Hamburger Los Angeles Times Staff Writer 11:02 PM PDT, June 10, 2008 WASHINGTON — Labor union officials and some liberal activists were seething Tuesday over Barack Obama's choice of centrist economist Jason Furman as the top economic advisor for the campaign. The critics say Furman, who was appointed to the post Monday, has overstated the potential benefits of globalization, Social Security private accounts and the low prices offered by Wal-Mart -- considered a corporate pariah by the labor movement. Officials from several labor organizations phoned the Obama campaign to complain about the appointment and circulated e-mail messages containing quotes from some of Furman's work. Campaign officials responded that some of the quotes were inaccurate or out of context. They expressed confidence in Furman's abilities and said that Obama would be listening to an array of advisors. The dispute is a fresh reminder that sharp divisions on economic policy remain in the Democratic Party, even though the bruising fight for its presidential nomination has ended. Those divisions are likely to present a recurring problem for Obama, especially as he tries to ward off GOP accusations that he is too liberal. And Obama is not the first Democratic presidential candidate to confront the problem. Sen. John F. Kerry faced it in 2004. Going farther back, liberal activists resented former President Clinton's support for free trade, deficit reduction and other centrist policies. Furman, 37, is linked closely to Robert Rubin, a Wall Street insider and Clinton economics aide who eventually became Treasury secretary. Rubin's views on global trade and deficit reduction riled liberal economists and labor activists, though his presence gave the Clinton administration valuable credibility in the business and financial communities. "We are very much taken aback that Furman has been put at the head of this team," said Marco Trbovich, a senior aide to United Steelworkers President Leo W. Gerard, whose support is considered crucial to Obama's success in heavily unionized areas of Pennsylvania, Ohio, Minnesota and other battleground states. Trbovich worked with Furman during Kerry's presidential campaign, in which Furman was also an economic advisor. "He is a very bright fellow, but he is an unalloyed cheerleader for the trade policies that have been very destructive to manufacturing jobs in this country," Trbovich said. "There are very serious concerns" about his appointment. Perhaps the most enraging part of the record, according to Trbovich and others, were comments attributed to Furman on Wal-Mart. In a paper presented in Washington, he suggested that there were some economic benefits from the company's low prices and other policies at a time when major labor unions had launched an anti-Wal-Mart campaign. Furman worked most recently as a budget expert at the Brookings Institution in Washington heading the Hamilton Project, an economic policy research group. It was founded by Rubin, who now chairs the executive committee of Citigroup Inc. Lori Wallach, a lawyer and leading opponent of free-trade policies, said the appointment was jarring from a policy and a political perspective. "Furman seems like a liability, given his anti-worker writings and statements about Wal-Mart, fair trade and other middle-class issues," said Wallach, director of Public Citizen's global trade watch division. An e-mail circulated among activists, scholars and senior labor officials Tuesday included quotes that Furman had offered in academic papers and media interviews in recent years. "I hope the lesson that Democratic candidates take from this is not to bash trade and call for protectionism, but instead to call for a robust safety net," Furman told an NPR interviewer last year. He was also quoted in a transcript from a CNBC interview in 2006 as suggesting openness to changes in Social Security that might include private accounts and benefit cuts. The approach he described sounded similar in some ways to that proposed at the time by President Bush. The Bush private accounts idea was anathema to labor activists, who successfully challenged the president's initiative. In naming Furman as economic policy director, Obama also announced that other economists, including some from the left, would informally become part of the Obama economics team. One economist from the left-leaning Economic Policy Institute, Jared Bernstein, offered praise for Furman, saying he understood why some critics were unhappy, though he thought their fears were misplaced. "I understand the concerns, given positions he has taken" on some issues, Bernstein said. "But I am 110% certain that it will be Barack Obama -- not Jason Furman or Robert Rubin -- who will be setting the policies for the Obama administration." Although Furman has directed think-tank work on some controversial topics, Bernstein said he would be an effective campaign staff member. "If you look at his body of work, it's quite clear that the ultimate goal is very much the same as Obama's," he said. |
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Title: Re: [NSC] Why Obama is Unfit to Be President Post by sirmoonie on Jul 1st, 2008 at 12:41pm
When George Walker Bush III was attending the Phillips Andover Academy in Massachusetts, he would often sign, or otherwise let it be "known" that his name "George Walker Bush III" despite the fact that he was really just a Bush Junior.
Phillips Andover Academy is an Eastern Prep School, and for decades a mere conduit to Yale. The tuition is $$$$$$ (Large Green) and legacy admission is almost a given. As most people know, many of its all-male matriculants are insufferable pansy-ass twits, who confuse/conflate their parents' money with their own abilities, talent, and efforts, or complete lack thereof. See, e.g., George Walker Bush III. It was much, much later in George Walker Bush III's life that a focus group that he commissioned advised him to market himself as "Dubya" instead of "George Walker Bush III." The demographic target of that change is unfortunately obvious. Shades of Magoo. |
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Title: Re: [NSC] Why Obama is Unfit to Be President Post by Nasty Habits on Jul 1st, 2008 at 1:34pm Contains the Marxist hit: If I Had Obama! If I had Obama I'd Obama in the morning I'd Obama in the evening All over this land! I'd Obama out danger I'd Obama out a warning I'd Obama out love between all of my brothers and my sisters All over this land! It's a strange Marxist who eschews public funding to run his campaign in order to use private funds because he's such a greedy bastard. It would be nice if the reasons for his unfitness didn't contradict themselves . . . |
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Title: Re: [NSC] Why Obama is Unfit to Be President Post by Factory Girl on Jul 2nd, 2008 at 11:46am |
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Title: Re: [NSC] Why Obama is Unfit to Be President Post by glencar on Jul 2nd, 2008 at 6:49pm
I'm with the plurality - she's trash!
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Title: Re: [NSC] Why Obama is Unfit to Be President Post by glencar on Jul 2nd, 2008 at 7:10pm
I wish I got a discount too! How come I didn't get a $300 discount?!?
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Title: Re: [NSC] Why Obama is Unfit to Be President Post by Nasty Habits on Jul 2nd, 2008 at 10:14pm wrote on Jul 2nd, 2008 at 7:10pm:
Musta been one of them socialist banks. Really, though, in about 10 years his rate is gonna balloon through the roof. These predatory loan companies prey on the unwary. |
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Title: Re: [NSC] Why Obama is Unfit to Be President Post by Wild Bill on Jul 3rd, 2008 at 8:01am Pdog wrote on Jul 1st, 2008 at 8:36am:
We'll keep this in mind while glancing at your posts. |
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Title: Re: [NSC] Why Obama is Unfit to Be President Post by Pdog on Jul 3rd, 2008 at 8:45am Wild Bill wrote on Jul 3rd, 2008 at 8:01am:
A shortfall of American education, adults who can't read and comprehend and politics is reduced to knee jerks and soundbites. You stand for nothing, you fall for anything!!! Enjoy this 4th, it might be our last! |
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Title: Re: [NSC] Why Obama is Unfit to Be President Post by Joey on Jul 3rd, 2008 at 8:57am
" Enjoy this 4th, it might be our last ! "
There is a very very strong possibility of that !!!!! I's serious ........ I's ..................... WAIT !!!! *** ABRUPT END TO TRANSMISSION !!! **** Baby Joe |
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Title: Re: [NSC] Why Obama is Unfit to Be President Post by TenThousandMotels on Jul 3rd, 2008 at 9:00am
Time to get geared up for the annual James Cagney dosage.
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Title: Re: [NSC] Why Obama is Unfit to Be President Post by Riffhard on Jul 3rd, 2008 at 9:10am Pdog wrote on Jul 3rd, 2008 at 8:45am:
Pdog you needn't be kneejerk to comprehend what Obama stands for. Just because the DLM dosen't report it that doesn't mean that he is not a Marxist/socialist. He is. He has been for years, and will continue to be one. Just google his history as a "community activist". He was an acolyte of Saul Alinsky! Don't know who Saul Alinsky is? I'd suggest thatyou google him as well. Suffice it to say he was a huge communist who believed in the overthrow of the US government and an installation of a communist regime. Now I'm not saying that Obama wants to go quite that far but it is a fact that the man greatly admired Alinsky. So don't go around accusing me of overstating things or being kneejerk. I'm just stating lttle reported facts. Riffy |
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Title: Re: [NSC] Why Obama is Unfit to Be President Post by TenThousandMotels on Jul 3rd, 2008 at 10:59am
"I'm just stating lttle reported facts."
Check this book out if you get a chance Riffy. http://www.swaraj.org/shikshantar/propaganda.htm |
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Title: Re: [NSC] Why Obama is Unfit to Be President Post by Pdog on Jul 3rd, 2008 at 11:49am Riffhard wrote on Jul 3rd, 2008 at 9:10am:
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Title: Re: [NSC] Why Obama is Unfit to Be President Post by monkey_man on Jul 3rd, 2008 at 12:31pm
Sheeet. . .all this talk about socialism is coming to town. We already have a system where corporate profits are privatized and losses, socialized. S & L, airlines and now brokerages all run to the government to for handout outs because they can't handle their own business. If Obama is a true Marxist, y'all better run and tell the commercial banks, hedge funds, private equity firms and pharmacetical companies. All these groups have given more money to Obama than McCain. The corporations must be commie too. . .head for the hills chicken little!
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Title: Re: [NSC] Why Obama is Unfit to Be President Post by sirmoonie on Jul 3rd, 2008 at 1:07pm
George Walker Bush III did more for socialist government than Obama will ever get a chance to do.
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Title: Re: [NSC] Why Obama is Unfit to Be President Post by Riffhard on Jul 3rd, 2008 at 1:08pm Pdog wrote on Jul 3rd, 2008 at 11:49am:
C'mon Pdog, you know me. I'm not nearly as worked up over this whole thing as it may appear in my posts. However, I do not trust Obama as far as I can throw him. I know that you lived in San Fran for quite a while so you, no doubt, have seen your fair share of far-left freaks. I agree with you that Obama is not as far left as some in San Fran, however, he is easily the most far left candidate that has ever led his party in the nomination for President. This guy makes McGovern look like Eisenhower! He was a Saul Alinsky acolyte to be sure, and that speaks volumes as to what he believes. As far as my FM DJ status goes. You need to understand that I have been fascinated by politics for a long time now, and have often been tempted to get into talk radio. Sure I listen to AM talk, but I also read voraciously from all sides of the issues. I just have been weary of pulling the trigger on that particular career path though. I will say that my experience in working in the media field (25 years now!) has proven to me unequivocally that the media is blatantly biased. I mean how else can you explain the fact that Fox News gets slammed by the leftists? The fact is that The School of Journalism at Columbia (no far right think tank there) did a blind research project in 2006 on the bias in news divisions at cable and network news stations. Their findings? Fox News really was the most fair and balanced of all other cable and network news divisions!! No doubt about it that Fox leans right from their commentary perspective, but when it comes to straight news (Brit Hume etc.) Fox presents both sides equally more often than CBS, NBC/MSNBC, ABC, or CNN. It's not even close in fact. Columbia was just as shocked at the results of their study as the far left websites like Democratic Underground were. Every liberal that I know tries to dismiss the study as being rigged! LOL! Columbia is a very liberal school, and even they couldn't deny the truth! It proves just how biased the media is when the only station that actually shows both sides is getting ripped for being in the tank for Republicans. I mean look at how the rest of the media is jerking themselves dry over Obama! They want him to win sooooo badly that they can't even hide their bias. I really think that it borders on journalistic malpractice, and the fact that every story about John McCain is laced with ageism, temper issues, and any other negative that they can dig up on him. The funny thing is that McCain used to be a media darling because he always stuck his finger in the eyes of conservatives. But now the media has a new lover. His name is Barrack Obama, and the media will do anything to see him elected. I'm just stunned that more people aren't pissed off at the media's obvious manipulation of the news just suit their own liberal agenda. Riffy |
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Title: Re: [NSC] Why Obama is Unfit to Be President Post by Zack on Jul 3rd, 2008 at 1:19pm Pdog wrote on Jul 3rd, 2008 at 8:45am:
I love this Pdog! I'm stealing it for my sig. |
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Title: Re: [NSC] Why Obama is Unfit to Be President Post by Pdog on Jul 3rd, 2008 at 2:19pm Riffhard wrote on Jul 3rd, 2008 at 1:08pm:
Fox pimps out white wpomen hard!!! It ain't news, it T&A with a soundbite, as far as the commentary, it is selling more BS that Clitons press secretaries ever did. You keep saying Obama is a Marxist.. Seriously, how much has Bush given away for nothing? Alot, it is just a matter of where it went, and how much too. When it comes to Health and Educatuion compared to the Billion Dollar bailouts, private sector contractors ect. Obama has nothing that even could come close. I'm sorry. Conservatives are about fiscal responsibility, and Obama wins that over the retard... And you don't like McCain, but he is actually way more fiscally conservative that the policies of our current. They have handed our money to corporations like a fucking crack whore hands out dick sucks for rocks! |
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Title: Re: [NSC] Why Obama is Unfit to Be President Post by gimmekeef on Jul 3rd, 2008 at 2:36pm
I'm amazed at the tenacity of some of the posters here and their belief in being right. Fuck I wish I gave a shit myself sometimes....
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Title: Re: [NSC] Why Obama is Unfit to Be President Post by 2000monkey on Jul 3rd, 2008 at 5:31pm [/quote] C'mon Pdog, you know me. I'm not nearly as worked up over this whole thing as it may appear in my posts. However, I do not trust Obama as far as I can throw him. I know that you lived in San Fran for quite a while so you, no doubt, have seen your fair share of far-left freaks. I agree with you that Obama is not as far left as some in San Fran, however, he is easily the most far left candidate that has ever led his party in the nomination for President. Riffy I ain't no leftist!-Bob Dylan [/quote] Dylan is voting for Obama, silly twat. |
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Title: Re: [NSC] Why Obama is Unfit to Be President Post by Riffhard on Jul 3rd, 2008 at 8:03pm 2000monkey wrote on Jul 3rd, 2008 at 5:31pm:
We tend to be a touch more civil while engaging in our political round tables here 2000monkey, but as you have decided to forgo any of the basic civility usually practiced here then by all means go fuck yourself. The Dylan quote is authentic. That he has since lost his fucking mind is not my fault. Riffy |
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Title: Re: [NSC] Why Obama is Unfit to Be President Post by Riffhard on Jul 3rd, 2008 at 8:04pm gimmekeef wrote on Jul 3rd, 2008 at 2:36pm:
LOL! Cheers! :booze Riffy |
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Title: Re: [NSC] Why Obama is Unfit to Be President Post by 2000monkey on Jul 3rd, 2008 at 9:42pm
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We tend to be a touch more civil while engaging in our political round tables here 2000monkey, but as you have decided to forgo any of the basic civility usually practiced here then by all means go fuck yourself. The Dylan quote is authentic. That he has since lost his fucking mind is not my fault. Riffy [/quote] Oh please honey, you're about as civil as a stuck pig. And like you don't use the age's old out-of-context quote to prop up your goofy rants. Your stuff reads like it was written by a guy who is the unfortunate genetic result of what would happen if Barney Fife assf***ked The Church Lady and then you banged your head on the floor on the way out the chute. Oye! What people have to endure around here to get a little Stones info. No wonder you can't get on the radio, Riff Lady. There's no market for an even dumber Rush Limballs with worse drugs. Cheers, Riff Tard |
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Title: Re: [NSC] Why Obama is Unfit to Be President Post by Riffhard on Jul 3rd, 2008 at 10:36pm 2000monkey wrote on Jul 3rd, 2008 at 9:42pm:
Oh please honey, you're about as civil as a stuck pig. And like you don't use the age's old out-of-context quote to prop up your goofy rants. Your stuff reads like it was written by a guy who is the unfortunate genetic result of what would happen if Barney Fife assf***ked The Church Lady and then you banged your head on the floor on the way out the chute. Oye! What people have to endure around here to get a little Stones info. No wonder you can't get on the radio, Riff Lady. There's no market for an even dumber Rush Limballs with worse drugs. Cheers, Riff Tard[/quote] LOL! Boy howdy you sure are cute. Listen fucknut, you decided that you wanted to jump into a thread that you had no part of. Why did get you involved? I think that most would agree that it was solely to take a swing at me. You have seriously overestimated your own importance here newbie. You are little more than a shit buzzing fly in my eyes. I would be willing to bet that the vast majority of posters here that know me would love to watch me destroy your pansy assed attempt at a flame session right now. Shit son you've already lost that battle and it hasn't even begun. Barney Fife? Church Lady? I can't take ameteurish drivel like that shit serious. Come back when you've got even a modicum of game. You got nothing from what I can tell. Go ahead and get angry. Post some more insipid childish crap. You are my new puppet. Now dance like a clown for me! Show everyone that you can be even more lame than your last two posts. Dance clown! Riffy |
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Title: Re: [NSC] Why Obama is Unfit to Be President Post by 2000monkey on Jul 4th, 2008 at 12:31am [/quote] LOL! Boy howdy you sure are cute. Listen fucknut, you decided that you wanted to jump into a thread that you had no part of. Why did get you involved? I think that most would agree that it was solely to take a swing at me. You have seriously overestimated your own importance here newbie. You are little more than a shit buzzing fly in my eyes. I would be willing to bet that the vast majority of posters here that know me would love to watch me destroy your pansy assed attempt at a flame session right now. Shit son you've already lost that battle and it hasn't even begun. Barney Fife? Church Lady? I can't take ameteurish drivel like that shit serious. Come back when you've got even a modicum of game. You got nothing from what I can tell. Go ahead and get angry. Post some more insipid childish crap. You are my new puppet. Now dance like a clown for me! Show everyone that you can be even more lame than your last two posts. Dance clown! Riffy [/quote] Heh.. I love it when people say things like *newbie* as an attempt to gain some kind of moral high ground. Everybody has seen your mess forever. Are you more *important* around here? Forget the ill-used Dylan quote, your posting ID is even worse. Not that K. Richards would care (He probably wouldn't piss on you if you were on fire from Rush Limpball's crack pipe) But really, posting your junk under his name/image appropriation is just too disgusting. You should take your shtick over to the Huffington Post (minus the Keith shield of course) or some place like that. One the one hand it might be like watching grass grow or maybe they'd find amusement in someone at your level. I certainly am amused at your reckoning Dylan to have lost his mind based on his choice of Presidential candidate. Let's think about the credibility here. Dylan: One of the best writers/minds/artists of the 20th century. You: a guy who sells airtime to porn stores and loan sharks and in his spare time does a radio thing down in his mom the Church Lady's basement. I mean your plebeian gray matter doesn't even operate on the same plane as his. Dylan vs. Keen Blowhard...too funny! |
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Title: Re: [NSC] Why Obama is Unfit to Be President Post by Riffhard on Jul 4th, 2008 at 8:31am 2000monkey wrote on Jul 4th, 2008 at 12:31am:
See how easy it is to get the newbie to dance folks! Funny huh?! Here you can do it too! Just pull one of these here strings! Yes I said newbie because you are a newbie fucknut. You are either a very ignorant newbie or some long time pussy lurker who decided to flex your keyboard muscles just to stir up shit, or you're a regular who does not want his real handle known on this particular thread. So which one is it, my little dancing clown? Dance clown! Keep on dancing! "....piss on you if you were on fire" Boy there's fucking cliched quote if ever there was one. LOL! And you're talking about "gray matter". Why not show a little bit yourself and quit using such hackneyed cliched crap expressions as that! Huffington Post?! Holy shit son, most people don't go around showing their limp dick hand so quickly! Huffington Post?! For real?! Next you'll point me towards the geniuses over at Democratic Underground! Your game is so lame my little dancing clown. Oh, and hey 2000clownboy, why don't you figure out how to actually use the quote feature properly ya fucking moron. For now you are my dancing tool. Forever your puppet master, Riffy |
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Title: Re: [NSC] Why Obama is Unfit to Be President Post by 2000monkey on Jul 4th, 2008 at 10:58am
Hey Barney, that's one nasty strain of brain rotting syphilis you caught off of Rush's crackpipe. Do you have domination issues or are you just trying to be a Batman villain? You MUST have flunked out of radio meathead school.
You're right I don't know how to use the quote thing. When all else fails become the Emily Post of posting. High five yourself Church Lady! |
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Title: Re: [NSC] Why Obama is Unfit to Be President Post by Riffhard on Jul 4th, 2008 at 11:25am 2000monkey wrote on Jul 4th, 2008 at 10:58am:
You go boy! Riffy |
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Title: Re: [NSC] Why Obama is Unfit to Be President Post by Joey on Jul 4th, 2008 at 4:17pm " .. most people don't go around showing their limp dick hand so quickly! Huffington Post?! For real?! Next you'll point me towards the geniuses over at Democratic Underground! Your game is so lame my little dancing clown. " |
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Title: Re: [NSC] Why Obama is Unfit to Be President Post by 2000monkey on Jul 5th, 2008 at 5:40pm
Jittery redneck "Riffhard" at the Rush Limbaugh Memorial Home for Rejected Radio Morons
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Title: Re: [NSC] Why Obama is Unfit to Be President Post by Riffhard on Jul 5th, 2008 at 6:11pm You're a good little puppet! Riffy |
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Title: Re: [NSC] Why Obama is Unfit to Be President Post by Pdog on Jul 5th, 2008 at 8:14pm gimmekeef wrote on Jul 3rd, 2008 at 2:36pm:
I often have to remind myself, it is better to be happy than to be right. You ever hear anyone use the expression, now I can die right? Haha! Nope, die happy, YES!!! |
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Title: Re: [NSC] Why Obama is Unfit to Be President Post by Joey on Jul 6th, 2008 at 5:54pm
" You ever hear anyone use the expression, now I can die right? Haha! Nope, die happy, YES !! "
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Title: Re: [NSC] Why Obama is Unfit to Be President Post by Prodigal Son on Jul 6th, 2008 at 5:55pm Riffhard wrote on Jul 3rd, 2008 at 8:03pm:
He hasn't lost his mind really. He was into social change and justice back in the early 60s so I could see an affinity for Obama being there. But forget what Dylan thinks because, as many of his friends have said, he doesn't know the first thing about politics. It's not his thing. Joan Baez has often mentioned how much less he cares about politics than the folk singers he was a peer of. The fact he is so well known and praised makes his mini-endorsement of Obama huge. But really, he's just reiterating what we hear from other leftist pop/rock stars. |
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Title: Re: [NSC] Why Obama is Unfit to Be President Post by Pdog on Jul 6th, 2008 at 6:16pm Prodigal Son wrote on Jul 6th, 2008 at 5:55pm:
And many right wing pop stars are behind McCain, like.........? |
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Title: Re: [NSC] Why Obama is Unfit to Be President Post by Prodigal Son on Jul 6th, 2008 at 6:28pm Pdog wrote on Jul 6th, 2008 at 6:16pm:
Uuuh, there aren't any? I was just saying, Dylan hasn't lost his mind. The guy has always shown liberal tendencies but prefers to state he is not a political animal. Dylan just isn't into those types of things. If he was, he'd have already made a huge anti-Bush song/statement like Neil Young. So if Dylan endorsed McCain, it'd be strange because of previous attitudes but his politics have always been either minimal or secret. |
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Title: Re: [NSC] Why Obama is Unfit to Be President Post by Joey on Jul 7th, 2008 at 10:27am
" Uuuh, there aren't any? I was just saying, Dylan hasn't lost his mind. The guy has always shown liberal tendencies but prefers to state he is not a political animal. Dylan just isn't into those types of things. If he was, he'd have already made a huge anti-Bush song/statement like Neil Young. "
****** Gong Bangs in the Distance !!!!! *********** .....fog drifts in and begins to cover the landscape ...a hush falls upon the ' now washed ' masses ........... young Joey puts his ear to the ground and shudders ..... : " Music blasting from an SUV On a bright and sunny day Rolling down the interstate In the good ol' USA Having lunch at the petroleum club Smoking fine cigars and swapping lies "Gimme 'nother slice of that barbecued brisket!" "Gimme 'nother piece of that pecan pie" Freeways flickering, cell phones chiming a tune We're riding to Utopia; road map says we'll be arriving soon Captains of the old order clinging to the reins Assuring us these aches inside are only growing pains But it's a long road out of Eden Back home, I was so certain; the path was very clear But now I have to wonder - what are we doing here? I'm not counting on tomorrow and I can't tell wrong from right But I'd give anything to be there in your arms tonight Weaving down the American highway Through the litter and the wreckage, and the cultural junk Bloated with entitlement, loaded on propaganda Now we're driving dazed and drunk Went down the road to Damascus, the road to Mandalay Met the ghost of Caesar on the Appian Way He said, "It's hard to stop this binging once you get a taste But the road to empire ( Iraq ) is a bloody, stupid waste" Behold the bitten apple - the power of the tools But all the knowledge in the world is of no use to fools And it's a long road out of Eden " Joey Frey ! ™ |
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Title: Re: [NSC] Why Obama is Unfit to Be President Post by Some Guy on Jul 7th, 2008 at 10:29am
damn
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Title: Re: [NSC] Why Obama is Unfit to Be President Post by Joey on Jul 7th, 2008 at 10:38am
" damn "
that's right Some Guy ....... |
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Title: Re: [NSC] Why Obama is Unfit to Be President Post by monkey_man on Jul 11th, 2008 at 1:49pm |
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Title: Re: [NSC] Why Obama is Unfit to Be President Post by Wild Bill on Aug 15th, 2008 at 4:00pm |
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Title: Re: [NSC] Why Obama is Unfit to Be President Post by Wild Bill on Aug 21st, 2008 at 10:05pm Fiji Joe wrote on Aug 21st, 2008 at 9:27pm:
Obammie is so fucking briallant by comparison: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ap2Cg_FDRy4&NR=1 Look what happens when Obammie doesn't have a TelePrompTer as his crutch. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KbpWonUzlrc&feature=related This one makes a lot of sense. What kind of answer is this, anyway?? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zpjWAzqAwcw&NR=1 Here's an interesting one - Obama the hypocrite: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sawN7uJ8s8s&feature=related |
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Title: Re: [NSC] Why Obama is Unfit to Be President Post by glencar on Aug 21st, 2008 at 11:05pm
Yo, Barry, just how many states do we have? Thanks for the link!
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Title: Re: [NSC] Why Obama is Unfit to Be President Post by glencar on Aug 21st, 2008 at 11:15pm
"I've been up for about 48 hours & I'm really tired..." LOL Why worry about the three AM phone call. What could go wrong?
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Title: Re: [NSC] Why Obama is Unfit to Be President Post by corgi37 on Aug 22nd, 2008 at 6:19am
McCain cheated ast the Saddleback Church forum. He was supposed to be in a "cone of silence', but wasnt. He knew the questions in advance.
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Title: Re: [NSC] Why Obama is Unfit to Be President Post by glencar on Aug 22nd, 2008 at 1:07pm
And you know this HOW???? Do you have a connection to said cone?
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Title: Re: [NSC] Why Obama is Unfit to Be President Post by Riffhard on Aug 22nd, 2008 at 1:23pm corgi37 wrote on Aug 22nd, 2008 at 6:19am:
Mere rumour and speculation from the Obama camp becuase their guy got his dumb ass handed to him. The Secret Service, Rick Warren, and McCain have all stated unequivcally that they had zero knowledge of the questions prior to them being asked. The thing is that these exact topics that they were both questioned about are the same things that McCain has been talking about throughout the entire campaign. He knew how to answer them because he has given those exact topics alot of thought! Obama never thinks about things that don't jibe with his socialist/Marxist veiws. Obama won't go near these questions unless he is forced to do so. At Saddleback he was forced to answer them. He shit the bed. Bigtime. He's a fucking idiot. Plain and simple. Riffy |
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Title: Re: [NSC] Why Obama is Unfit to Be President Post by Joey on Aug 22nd, 2008 at 1:26pm < --- Obama to choose Hillary as running mate . Oh , Lil' Fella ( Lil' Fiji ) ...... you are DREAMIN' !!!!!! |
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Title: Re: [NSC] Why Obama is Unfit to Be President Post by Pdog on Aug 22nd, 2008 at 2:01pm
Obama is gonig to choose a pro-life jesus freak as a running mate!!!
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Title: Re: [NSC] Why Obama is Unfit to Be President Post by Joey on Aug 22nd, 2008 at 2:04pm
" Obama is gonig to choose a pro-life jesus freak as a running mate "
This makes young Joey sad . |
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Title: Re: [NSC] Why Obama is Unfit to Be President Post by glencar on Aug 22nd, 2008 at 2:35pm
Oh, the Obama camp is who is making that claim about the "coneof silence"? LOL They are sore losers. I didn't get to see that forum but I've heard that Barry lost - badly.
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Title: Re: [NSC] Why Obama is Unfit to Be President Post by Pdog on Aug 22nd, 2008 at 2:50pm
cone of silence... is this like when I give me a kid ice cream and tell him to shut the fuck up?
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Title: Re: [NSC] Why Obama is Unfit to Be President Post by glencar on Aug 22nd, 2008 at 2:54pm
Actually, there is a cone of silence in regards to radio transmissions but these Obama pussies are nutzo!
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Title: Re: [NSC] Why Obama is Unfit to Be President Post by Pdog on Aug 22nd, 2008 at 3:30pm
how will moonie deal with Romney as a running mate?
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Title: Re: [NSC] Why Obama is Unfit to Be President Post by glencar on Aug 22nd, 2008 at 3:38pm
McC's best move would be to select a chick. Seriously.
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Title: Re: [NSC] Why Obama is Unfit to Be President Post by Joey on Aug 22nd, 2008 at 3:42pm
" McC's best move would be to select a chick. "
Carly Fiorina ?! |
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Title: Re: [NSC] Why Obama is Unfit to Be President Post by glencar on Aug 22nd, 2008 at 3:52pm
Sure, buttbag, why not?
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Title: Re: [NSC] Why Obama is Unfit to Be President Post by sirmoonie on Aug 22nd, 2008 at 4:46pm Pdog wrote on Aug 22nd, 2008 at 3:30pm:
Have you heard something? You got the skinny? McCain can't stand blowfish like Romney and George Walker Bush III. Its hard to see this happening unless he starts listening to some media idiots about this "conservative" wing of the Republican Party. That the kind of stuff guaranteed to not get him elected. Real Americans better hope not. Get some Mormon nut job in the White House talking up imaginary civilizations and celestial fuck-planets spawning sibling rivalry between Jesus and Lucifer - we may as well elect Tom Cruise and the Rev. Sun Bang Moon. |
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Title: Re: [NSC] Why Obama is Unfit to Be President Post by mojoman on Aug 22nd, 2008 at 6:39pm wrote on Aug 22nd, 2008 at 3:38pm:
hillary? |
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Title: Re: [NSC] Why Obama is Unfit to Be President Post by glencar on Aug 22nd, 2008 at 6:49pm
not so much.
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Title: Re: [NSC] Why Obama is Unfit to Be President Post by GhostofBrianJones on Aug 22nd, 2008 at 6:52pm
So after all is said and done with talking about the Presidential Candidates who would you guys really want to see as President
of the United States? It appears you are all very well informed and definitely pay attention to our politicians but sometimes it gets really confusing trying to keep up. Just would like to know who would really be a good President. Just curious. ;D ;D |
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Title: Re: [NSC] Why Obama is Unfit to Be President Post by glencar on Aug 22nd, 2008 at 6:55pm
John McCain. If he'd won th GOP primary in 2000, it would have been awesome.
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Title: Re: [NSC] Why Obama is Unfit to Be President Post by Pdog on Aug 22nd, 2008 at 7:24pm wrote on Aug 22nd, 2008 at 6:55pm:
You know how different the NYC skyline would look today? |
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Title: Re: [NSC] Why Obama is Unfit to Be President Post by robpop on Aug 22nd, 2008 at 7:54pm |
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Title: Re: [NSC] Why Obama is Unfit to Be President Post by Some Guy on Aug 22nd, 2008 at 7:59pm |
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Title: Re: [NSC] Why Obama is Unfit to Be President Post by robpop on Aug 22nd, 2008 at 8:03pm |
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Title: Re: [NSC] Why Obama is Unfit to Be President Post by Some Guy on Aug 22nd, 2008 at 8:04pm wrote on Aug 22nd, 2008 at 6:55pm:
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Title: Re: [NSC] Why Obama is Unfit to Be President Post by glencar on Aug 22nd, 2008 at 8:48pm Pdog wrote on Aug 22nd, 2008 at 7:24pm:
For that to have changed, we'd have needed 1992 or 1996 to have ended differently. |
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Title: Re: [NSC] Why Obama is Unfit to Be President Post by Riffhard on Aug 22nd, 2008 at 8:49pm wrote on Aug 22nd, 2008 at 8:48pm:
Yup! Riffy |
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Title: Re: [NSC] Why Obama is Unfit to Be President Post by glencar on Aug 22nd, 2008 at 8:50pm
It looks like Biden, Obama's best choice. Let's hope McCain doesn't fuck it up.
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Title: Re: [NSC] Why Obama is Unfit to Be President Post by sirmoonie on Aug 22nd, 2008 at 9:29pm
Below is a link to an August 6, 2001 Presidential Daily Brief (PDB) entitled "Bin Laden Determined to Strike in US" and labeled "For the President Only." The PDB is only one and a quarter pages long and warns of "suspicious activity in this country consistent with preparations for hijackings or other types of attacks, including recent surveillance of federal buildings in New York."
When asked about the August 6, 2001 PDB, in particular its pathetic reaction to it, the Bush administration characterized it as a "historical piece" as if George Walker Bush III was in the habit of requesting "historical pieces" as part of his daily high level briefing. Moreover, even a low grade retard, in fact even most people who post here, can grasp the temporal difference between the phrase "Bin Laden Determined to Strike in US" which is in the title of the PDB, and the phrase "Bin Laden Was Determined to Strike in US" or "Bin Laden Used To Be Determined to Strike in US" neither of which appear anywhere. Which once again leads to the question - if the usless idiot that is George Walker Bush could read his native language, would we be better off? Of course we would. You'd have to be some kind of fag to debate that. http://www.thesmokinggun.com/archive/0409041pdb1.html |
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Title: Re: [NSC] Why Obama is Unfit to Be President Post by Glimmer Twin on Aug 22nd, 2008 at 9:33pm Have you seen the picture of Obama's brother who lives in a hut without a bathroom? Unreal. Obama makes 4 million dollars a year and he can't send a few bucks to his brother to live in decency? |
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Title: Re: [NSC] Why Obama is Unfit to Be President Post by robpop on Aug 22nd, 2008 at 9:43pm Glimmer Twin wrote on Aug 22nd, 2008 at 9:33pm:
Hey maybe Bushie should have paid no attention to his brothers. Seriously. |
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Title: Re: [NSC] Why Obama is Unfit to Be President Post by glencar on Aug 22nd, 2008 at 9:47pm Glimmer Twin wrote on Aug 22nd, 2008 at 9:33pm:
A sad story. I guess the rest of us will end up supporting the brothers. |
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Title: Re: [NSC] Why Obama is Unfit to Be President Post by GhostofBrianJones on Aug 22nd, 2008 at 9:49pm
So no one feels John McCain would be another George Dubya Bush if were elected President? So what is really going on with
Barack Obama besides having a name people like to make fun of? |
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Title: Re: [NSC] Why Obama is Unfit to Be President Post by Some Guy on Aug 22nd, 2008 at 9:52pm
If John McCain had an affair with an intern it wouldn't be a scandal it would be a miracle.
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Title: Re: [NSC] Why Obama is Unfit to Be President Post by glencar on Aug 22nd, 2008 at 9:57pm GhostofBrianJones wrote on Aug 22nd, 2008 at 9:49pm:
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Title: Re: [NSC] Why Obama is Unfit to Be President Post by glencar on Aug 22nd, 2008 at 9:58pm Some Guy wrote on Aug 22nd, 2008 at 9:52pm:
The miracle is a guy fucking Michelle Obama. She's like Cynthia Mckinney with a better dental plan. |
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Title: Re: [NSC] Why Obama is Unfit to Be President Post by Some Guy on Aug 22nd, 2008 at 10:02pm wrote on Aug 22nd, 2008 at 9:58pm:
funny... |
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Title: Re: [NSC] Why Obama is Unfit to Be President Post by glencar on Aug 22nd, 2008 at 10:10pm
It's funny but it's true... :wtf1
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Title: Re: [NSC] Why Obama is Unfit to Be President Post by mojoman on Aug 22nd, 2008 at 10:52pm Some Guy wrote on Aug 22nd, 2008 at 9:52pm:
this is the rim |
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Title: Re: [NSC] Why Obama is Unfit to Be President Post by Some Guy on Aug 23rd, 2008 at 8:08am |
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Title: Re: [NSC] Why Obama is Unfit to Be President Post by Pdog on Aug 23rd, 2008 at 9:35am mojoman wrote on Aug 22nd, 2008 at 10:52pm:
McCain has cheated, just not recently... His excuse, I was a POW... lame!!! Talk about playing a card... I don't know how many home I own, I'm a vet. I cheated on my wife... I was a POW. I voted against MLK holiday. I hate black people! |
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Title: Re: [NSC] Why Obama is Unfit to Be President Post by glencar on Aug 23rd, 2008 at 10:57am
35 years ago? Do we want to talk about Barry's bad choices from that time?
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Title: Re: [NSC] Why Obama is Unfit to Be President Post by Pdog on Aug 23rd, 2008 at 2:23pm wrote on Aug 23rd, 2008 at 10:57am:
Sure why not... will you be sure to use quotes when just parroting Hannity, who just makes shit up... |
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Title: Re: [NSC] Why Obama is Unfit to Be President Post by Some Guy on Aug 23rd, 2008 at 2:45pm
I'm drinking beers and watching SAL tonight.
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Title: Re: [NSC] Why Obama is Unfit to Be President Post by Pdog on Aug 23rd, 2008 at 6:37pm Some Guy wrote on Aug 23rd, 2008 at 2:45pm:
McCain, don't go to the light! |
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Title: Re: [NSC] Why Obama is Unfit to Be President Post by mojoman on Aug 23rd, 2008 at 7:07pm
fight the power!!!
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Title: Re: [NSC] Why Obama is Unfit to Be President Post by MaineMotels on Aug 23rd, 2008 at 7:34pm mojoman wrote on Aug 23rd, 2008 at 7:07pm:
NEVER SAY DIE. |
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Title: Re: [NSC] Why Obama is Unfit to Be President Post by mojoman on Aug 23rd, 2008 at 7:44pm Ten Thousand Motels wrote on Aug 23rd, 2008 at 7:34pm:
Ozzy singing about McCain? |
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