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Rolling Stones equated to Charles Manson?
Nov 20th, 2017 at 9:25am
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This excerpt comes from an article on Manson's death appearing on this morning's Yahoo cover page.

"A petty criminal who had been in and out of jail since childhood, the charismatic, guru-like Manson surrounded himself in the 1960s with runaways and other lost souls and then sent his disciples to butcher some of L.A.'s rich and famous in what prosecutors said was a bid to trigger a race war — an idea he got from a twisted reading of the Beatles song "Helter Skelter."

The slayings horrified the world and, together with the deadly violence that erupted later in 1969 during a Rolling Stones concert at California's Altamont Speedway, exposed the dangerous, drugged-out underside of the counterculture movement and seemed to mark the death of the era of peace and love."
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There were three big hits to the flower power culture, the great psychedelic years, to the peace and love era:

The dead of Brian, the murders by the Charles Manson family and the Altamont Festival all in 1969
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...and in two of them the Rolling Stones were involved, but it's a fact that those three events are related to the beginning of the end of an era
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Voodoo Child in Wonderland wrote on Nov 20th, 2017 at 11:20am:
...and in two of them the Rolling Stones were involved, but it's a fact that those three events are related to the beginning of the end of an era


I'm not sure I buy that 2-3 years of culture based primarily in San Francisco/LA/NYC and London can be called an era. Brian's death was but a footnote for most after Hendix/Joplin and others. Just me read anyway...I'm sure other have a totally different take. (although I did live through those times!)
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I lived through those times too, Charles Manson got out of Prison in '67, went to Haight Ashbury, the Hippie Girls were easy to manipulate, run away teens, as far as I know Charlie & his followers were never mentioned to be influenced by The Stones, the Beatles , yes, big time, they read songs in The White album like it was the Bible, Altamont big problem was the Angels, the end of the 60's in '69 was probably the worst year in the Decade, the zodiac killer was around too, those astrologist were saying the moon was in Scorpio if you believe in that stuff, it was mentioned when Altamont happened.
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gimmekeef wrote on Nov 20th, 2017 at 12:39pm:
Voodoo Child in Wonderland wrote on Nov 20th, 2017 at 11:20am:
...and in two of them the Rolling Stones were involved, but it's a fact that those three events are related to the beginning of the end of an era


I'm not sure I buy that 2-3 years of culture based primarily in San Francisco/LA/NYC and London can be called an era. Brian's death was but a footnote for most after Hendix/Joplin and others. Just me read anyway...I'm sure other have a totally different take. (although I did live through those times!)


Yes, it was an era and the era was (by far) the most important and most influential cultural phenomenon in the history of life, it was worldwide, just see how many psychedelic rock groups were formed all over the planet, even in socially retarded states and countries… well ask Joey, even Omaha was part of it (Hi Joey… LOL)

This cultural phenomenon transformed the behavior of the whole society, the way of life, the arts (Specially music and visual arts), the fashion, the way of thinking… the society was transformed all over the planet, all continents, even Africa and the middle east

As a phenomenon transforming the way of life it is only compared with the internet, but the internet was NOT a cultural phenomenon it was a technologic improvement.

It was an era, the age of Aquarius, too bad it ended.

Here in Mexico City it was huge, a lot of rock bands a lot of art, a lot of natural drugs but early in 1972, after the Avándaro Festival (The Mexican Woodstock) rock was forbidden by the government!!!
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and btw (for me) the era was 1963-1969, and the psychedelic years 1965-1969 and then going down, the rise and fall of an era


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anyways....

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LOL no, Well... Yes, but by the White album, Charles Manson was talking about Beggars Banquet as he had the one with this cover

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Just in case... I'm joking about the White album
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Hunter Thompson would blame it on the Angels and points out that the as far as the counter culture of the 60s went the rot set in in '65 although it took another 4 years for the decline to become obvious.

From F&LILV (emphasis mine)

"Sonny Barger never quite got the hang of it. The Angels blew it in 1965, at the Oakland-Berkeley line, when they acted on Barger’s hardhat, con-boss instincts and attacked the front ranks of an anti-war march. This proved to be an historic schism in the then Rising Tide of the Youth Movement of the Sixties. It was the first open break between the Greasers and the
Longhairs, and the importance of that break can be read in the history of SDS, which eventually
destroyed itself in the doomed effort to reconcile the interests of the ‘working class biker/dropout
types and the upper/mid Berkeley/student activists.
Nobody involved in that scene, at the time, could possibly have foreseen the Implications
of the Ginsberg/Kesey failure to persuade the Hell’s Angels to join forces with the radical Left
from Berkeley. The final split came at Altamont, four years later, but by that time it had long
been clear to everybody except a handful of rock industry dopers and the national press.
The
orgy of violence at Altamont merely dramatized the problem. The realities were already fixed
; the
illness was understood to be terminal, and the energies of The Movement were long since aggressively dissipated by the rush to self-preservation."

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