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Blue & Lonesome - Released Dec. 2, 2016 - Your Verdict
Nov 28th, 2016 at 5:30pm
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I thought the release of the new album deserved a new thread.

It comes out this Friday but some people have heard it already as some copies have leaked ahead of the release date.

Let's hear your opinions on it here when you're done listening to it.
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Reply #1 - Nov 28th, 2016 at 5:48pm
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I, as well, want to hear it...

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Reply #3 - Nov 28th, 2016 at 7:12pm
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After one listening of the whole album, I say it is great but  there's something missing from the blues feeling of the covers of the late 60s and the 70s like No Expectations, Love in Vain, Shake your hips, Stop Breaking Down, You gotta move, Mannish Boy, etc or the covers of the 60s in later versions like Little Red Rooster, I Just wanna make love to you all you B&B, etc etc

Wanna listen again, but will wait for my Vinyl and Super Deluxe CD
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I've only heard 2 songs so far and they seem good enough, but wait to listen to the whole album before making an official statement, lol.
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I like it. A real return to their roots. There are some great song choices and the production is cool. Gritty and dirty with a subtle distortion over everything, which is how blues should be IMO. I hate slickly produced blues.
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As a close Irish friend told me it is FUCKIN' Brilliant!Smiley
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“What rap did that was impressive was to show there are so many tone-deaf people out there,” he says. “All they need is a drum beat and somebody yelling over it and they’re happy. There’s an enormous market for people who can’t tell one note from another.” - Keef
 
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Reply #9 - Nov 29th, 2016 at 8:13am
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Not to go backsliding here, but the auld formula of six covers and four originals would mean proof of life among the fanbase.

The difficulty perhaps would be in getting the style and substance of the covers and originals to match.  That was easier and more natural when the music world was closer to its roots.
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Just got it from a very nice person.
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After a first listen "Just your Fool",  "Blue and Lonesome", "Everybody knows about my good thing", and "I can't quit you baby" sound good to me immediate. Not a bad score for a first listening. Is it me or is the sound quality not really that great?
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After a first listen "Just your Fool",  "Blue and Lonesome", "Everybody knows about my good thing", and "I can't quit you baby" sound good to me immediate. Not a bad score for a first listening. Is it me or is the sound quality not really that great?


You'll have to wait until next year when its re-mastered!
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Tumbling Dijs wrote on Nov 29th, 2016 at 2:47pm:
After a first listen "Just your Fool",  "Blue and Lonesome", "Everybody knows about my good thing", and "I can't quit you baby" sound good to me immediate. Not a bad score for a first listening. Is it me or is the sound quality not really that great?


You'll have to wait until next year when its re-mastered!


LOL or wait many years for the super deluxe edition in 5.1, 7.1 and MONO!!

About the original question I read somewhere that intentionally they used old equipment to record and give the album the sound of the 50s
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Tumbling Dijs wrote on Nov 29th, 2016 at 2:47pm:
After a first listen "Just your Fool",  "Blue and Lonesome", "Everybody knows about my good thing", and "I can't quit you baby" sound good to me immediate. Not a bad score for a first listening. Is it me or is the sound quality not really that great?


You'll have to wait until next year when its re-mastered!

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I have mixed emotions with B&L

First is, that I'm very happy to get a 'new' studio album. New material is always good. But when I first listened to it yesterday, I haven't had the same great feeling that I had when I first listened to songs from their last albums like 'laugh I nearly died, anybody seen my baby, love is strong', it feels to me a bit like the red devil session part 2. There are some great songs on B&L, especially the slower ones, blue and lonesome is my favorite at the moment, but for my feeling, it's not really a new record. IMO they should have released it like jamming with Edward, don't make such a 'sensation' out of it. But ok...

What I recognized, too, is that Keith playing is so much in the background like on no other record. The difficult parts are played by Ronnie or Clapton, from the first listening I only count one Keith solo, but I could be wrong.

Production wise I don't like the sound very much. It's not polished, that's great, but sometimes so heavy distorted, that it sound more worse than the worst stones blues songs from the early sixties. And I mean some of the greatest blues records have superb sound and not sounding polished, like muddy waters 'folk singer' or junior wells 'hoodoo man blues' or the ' American folk & blues festival '65. Sometimes it's hard to tell who plays what on B&L.

Thanks to Gazza's Spotify playlist i must say that the original versions of B&L are so great, that the stones doesn't top them, which they imo mostly did on their previous covers. But being par with them is a great Effort, too.

I will of course have many more listening to it die I hope that it grows on me.

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The record is good on the first listen .. better on the second and now very good now on the third complete listen.. and it has a promise of getting better and better.

It is old school in sound and song selection ... and dark .. meaning a dark .. rawer ... crude production style yet simplistic and quite stripped down. A very 'live' sounding record and Jaggers vocal effort here is perhaps better than anything he's ever made a concentrated strong effort to or at least every bit as good. His voicals are dark .. huge.. and from the gut.

It is a homage and what purists have always wanted. Nothing is really generic in song selection (mostly all obscure songs) or in tone. There is a black (no pun) .. rough edged ..darker feel all the way around on the record
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I hear The Rolling Stones in a larger room playing the blues best they can and from the heart with multiple mics in and around them to capture it. That is what I hear .. that is what it was .. and that is what it sounds like. It is not a new studio album of originals but a tide-over .. special 'treat' now (and to spin once in a while to once in a blue moon down the road). Again .. it will be played in the future as their tribute to The blues done raw.. and stripped down but also done well.

It will age well and it will grow on folks more and more. It is quality .. yet quite junky in style at the same time.. with a classic 1940's - 1960's blues record over tone.


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Reply #21 - Nov 29th, 2016 at 9:17pm
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Heard the .mp3, like the slower numbers better than the faster - partly because of the sound quality complained about above.  This may improve in the lossless.  But on first listen, the musicianship seems more impressive on the slower songs.  Liked it immediately more when the less frenetic title track came around.

Overall, an all-blues album seems without any relief from...the blues.  On an early Stones record, even the first EPs or LP, there'd be a mix of R&B and blues, which seems smarter and more entertaining.  Surely there's also forgotten R&B numbers they've never covered.

See Keith's Crosseyed Heart for an album that offers both blues and relief from the medium.

I think if, say, Led Zep had made an all-blues album, I'd feel the same way.  I remember getting Aerosmith's all-blues album and not playing it much - not in years. 

Maybe I'll like the whole Blue and Lonesome better in lossless.  But, when you play a whole Howlin' Wolf or Muddy Waters album, why don't you feel you need a break from that sound?
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Much to ponder.
Is it Jogger reborn, or escaping, or calling the shots, or mourning events of a couple of years ago, or 'papering over the cracks', filling in for KR with harmonica, re-iiving Edith Grove in groove rather than in a exhibiti-mock-up, paying dues? Isn't it odd to think they could invent a new musical style and thrust based on blues and then revert to it? Is the idea that it wouldn't matter that they wouldn't sell as many copies as a new fully Stoonz album would perhaps to expected to sell? Is this all about they being able to sit down and play/sing in future more? How much time did they spend on perfecting some of the distorty outros? Did they dub it up enough?  Isn't it funny that RW says that "we're a blues band"? How will the album and tracks unfold during repeated plays over the wintry winter? Is Bill a fan? When Don Was said that Jogger "wasn't feeling it" when recording original material last year, has he got over this? Will they go into a Euro tour promoting Blue & Lo' or will they unfold new & original delights?

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Who's credited as producer(s) on B&L, anyway?

The vocalist on "I Gotta Go" is a man who obviously remembers everything he ever learned young.  But where are the guitarists?  This is one of a few problems with the mix on the fast numbers, which is too hard-charging "raw" for the general good of the public.  Maybe next time just sling two mics over a rafter, or go back to Toshiba Studios. 

Are they better than they've been lately on record?  Yes.  But lately was 2005.  They sounded antiseptic and anodyne then, but the production on "Just Your Fool," "Commit a Crime," "I Gotta Go" and "Ride 'em on Down" is not an improvement, and speaks ill of Mark Knopfler's room.  They got it right on all the other ones, though - so the majority wins the decision.

The Guardian: 'And they do record on tape, Richards says. “This is not digital crap.” '  The trouble is, it's mixed so hot for the sake of "authenticity" that the fast numbers sound like what they were trying to avoid.    

Lossless rip now available on D****oid - so my earlier complaints are now updated.

P.S. - Mick, the B-stage is the place for a set of three of these songs, not the main stage where "Ride 'em on Down" was a wasted balls-up.  ("Here birdie!  Nice birdie!  Oh, well - on to the next...")
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Who's credited as producer(s) on B&L, anyway?

The vocalist on "I Gotta Go" is a man who obviously remembers everything he ever learned young.  But where are the guitarists?  This is one of a few problems with the mix on the fast numbers, which is too hard-charging "raw" for the general good of the public.  Maybe next time just sling two mics over a rafter, or go back to Toshiba Studios. 

Are they better than they've been lately on record?  Yes.  But lately was 2005.  They sounded antiseptic and anodyne then, but the production on "Just Your Fool," "Commit a Crime," "I Gotta Go" and "Ride 'em on Down" is not an improvement, and speaks ill of Mark Knopfler's room.  They got it right on all the other ones, though - so the majority wins the decision.

The Guardian: 'And they do record on tape, Richards says. “This is not digital crap.” '  The trouble is, it's mixed so hot for the sake of "authenticity" that the fast numbers sound like what they were trying to avoid.    

Lossless rip now available on D****oid - so my earlier complaints are now updated.

P.S. - Mick, the B-stage is the place for a set of three of these songs, not the main stage where "Ride 'em on Down" was a wasted balls-up.  ("Here birdie!  Nice birdie!  Oh, well - on to the next...")



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Mark Knopflers studio / British Grove Studio's (and rooms) are of the best in the entire world. It was built from the ground up .. even with filtered power coming in from the street to present the very best in new, more cutting edge equipment and just as as well obtaining and still using the old gear. He purposefully has fully restored vintage consoles and new and old gear all in the same control room .. Some of the vintage gear is the only fully restored in England (I watched a show on the making of the studio).

The reason it sounds sort of loud and distorted without as much texture or depth on certain tracks is two fold.

The trade off is they wanted something sounded over driven and saturated such as the old blues albums often had. Second .. having it textured and with all the dynamics is great ... but for a blues album .. IT would get a little slow .. a little long .. a tad drawn out.

Having it loud and upfront on four tracks and on certain numbers keeps it from getting too drawn out (for the sake of any younger folks .. who may buy it?). Sure..there won't be many .. but it is what they are going for here.

Having it loud and distorted keeps it from getting too drawn out and slow .. It keeps it exciting where needed and also added that old school sound. This is why they chose that on certain tracks.

Remember.. it is still a product.. and I must say .. they did a fine job in satisfying the purists ... (as well as hoping to obtain a few curious newbies).

The song selection ... sound .. and vibe and everything about the album is a winner IMO .. (as well .. Jagger truly shines .. he not only shines .. he leads it).

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The trade off is they wanted something sounded over driven and saturated such as the old blues albums often had. Second .. having it textured and with all the dynamics is great ... but for a blues album .. IT would get a little slow .. a little long .. a tad drawn out.

Yes, but:

First, though recorded on tape in a great room, the mix and digital conversion make it sound exactly like what young people have been listening to since the 1990s - strained-sounding, brickwalled, over-loud noise.  The sound is passable on the slow songs, because there's more studio air between the instruments.  But the fast songs are more headache-y than anything Butch Vig ever invented for post-Punk torture purposes.  The sound they got on Some Girls would have sufficed.

Second, I agree that one wouldn't want a blues cover album to sound too precious (and I'm grateful that the dubbed sound of a phono stylus running out its groove isn't heard).  However, you can find tons of great blues albums - made on the cheap in the 1950s and 1960s by engineers and producers with no care for the artists or product - that sound less fatiguing and more inviting.

And, as I pointed out in my first point, the fact that the sound is fatiguing makes the 12 songs - one over five minutes long, and too much covered in Rock - seem "drawn out," even at under 43 minutes' total time.

Last, the vocals-and-harmonica-on-top mix is overdone and deleterious on "I Gotta Go" - allegedly featuring Eric Clapton, but who knows, because the guitars are so subdued in the mix that Jagger might as well be backed by only bass and percussion.  Compare this to any Muddy Waters or early Stones blues - the competing versions of "I Just Want to Make Love to You" will do - and you can see that aiming for the dynamics of a cheapie blues record is to aim lower than Muddy, and to make the guitars vanish as they never did on a Chess album, or on any Stones record.  Don Was is nuts for letting them put this mix out.  Were the engineers smarter at Regent Sound Studios, 1964?

Speaking of white boys, and white producers, the first two J. Geils Band records were recorded better, without any noticable overthinking, and they still came off like records in the blues tradition.  In the case of this "one-take" Blue and Lonesome, all the overthinking went into attempting analog authenticity within the digital aesthetic.

Is Blue and Lonesome a good record?  Yes.

Is it painful to listen to?  Yes.

Jagger to the LA Times: “That’s the essence of some of those Chess songs,” he added. “You can make counter-arguments — that Hubert Sumlin jumps out of some of those Howlin’ Wolf records. But on a lot of them you can’t discern who’s playing what or what kind of instrument it is until you really listen.

“My thinking on the mixing of it was to re-create some of those things,” he said. “You’re hearing the sound of a band; sometimes you can’t figure out if it’s Keith or Ron who’s playing the solo, or who’s playing the rhythm part. It’s not a wide stereo — it’s a very narrow stereo, and with the amount of distortion it sounds like this one ball of fire.”

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The trade off is they wanted something sounded over driven and saturated such as the old blues albums often had. Second .. having it textured and with all the dynamics is great ... but for a blues album .. IT would get a little slow .. a little long .. a tad drawn out.

Yes, but:

First, though recorded on tape in a great room, the mix and digital conversion make it sound exactly like what young people have been listening to since the 1990s - strained-sounding, brickwalled, over-loud noise.  The sound is passable on the slow songs, because there's more studio air between the instruments.  But the fast songs are more headache-y than anything Butch Vig ever invented for post-Punk torture purposes.  The sound they got on Some Girls would have sufficed.

Second, I agree that one wouldn't want a blues cover album to sound too precious (and I'm grateful that the dubbed sound of a phono stylus running out its groove isn't heard).  However, you can find tons of great blues albums - made on the cheap in the 1950s and 1960s by engineers and producers with no care for the artists or product - that sound less fatiguing and more inviting.

And, as I pointed out in my first point, the fact that the sound is fatiguing makes the 12 songs - one over five minutes long, and too much covered in Rock - seem "drawn out," even at under 43 minutes' total time.

Last, the vocals-and-harmonica-on-top mix is overdone and deleterious on "I Gotta Go" - allegedly featuring Eric Clapton, but who knows, because the guitars are so subdued in the mix that Jagger might as well be backed by only bass and percussion.  Compare this to any Muddy Waters or early Stones blues - the competing versions of "I Just Want to Make Love to You" will do - and you can see that aiming for the dynamics of a cheapie blues record is to aim lower than Muddy, and to make the guitars vanish as they never did on a Chess album, or on any Stones record.  Don Was is nuts for letting them put this mix out.  Were the engineers smarter at Regent Sound Studios, 1964?

Speaking of white boys, and white producers, the first two J. Geils Band records were recorded better, without any noticable overthinking, and they still came off like records in the blues tradition.  In the case of this "one-take" Blue and Lonesome, all the overthinking went into attempting analog authenticity within the digital aesthetic.

Is Blue and Lonesome a good record?  Yes.

Is it painful to listen to?  Yes.

Jagger to the LA Times: “That’s the essence of some of those Chess songs,” he added. “You can make counter-arguments — that Hubert Sumlin jumps out of some of those Howlin’ Wolf records. But on a lot of them you can’t discern who’s playing what or what kind of instrument it is until you really listen.

“My thinking on the mixing of it was to re-create some of those things,” he said. “You’re hearing the sound of a band; sometimes you can’t figure out if it’s Keith or Ron who’s playing the solo, or who’s playing the rhythm part. It’s not a wide stereo — it’s a very narrow stereo, and with the amount of distortion it sounds like this one ball of fire.”

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Totally agree. The song selection is good, Mick Jagger is fucking awesone on every track, but the album as a whole is not a pleasant listening experience.

It sounds too loud, too distorted and lacks dynamics. Also, IMO Mick's vocals have too much reverb on it. Never really liked reverb in excess.

This could've been much better with the right production.

Anyway, I'm glad we got a new album, even though it's a cover record.
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Heard it after much anticipation tuesday night; found it streaming and played it twice fully through with selected tracks on a thurd go round. Loved it; reading reviews and comments on iorr - first night with a new Stones album, memorable and magic.

Am on a 7th or 8th listen and I feel it simply gets better. I have to say  Ronnie is amazing, Keith gets in some great licks but it seems to be Ronnie laying down the sweetest of blues riffs and licks. Jagger is wonderful as so many reviews have testified to; vocals and harmonica utterly terrific.

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1 Rolling Stones - Blue and Lonesome (65.6k)
2 Michael Ball & Alfie Boe - Together (27.1k)
3 Elvis Presley - The Wonder of You (23.5k)
4 Little Mix - Glory Days (22.3k)
5 Olly Murs - 24 Hrs (16k)

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Mine FINALLY came in the mail. I'm on my 3rd listen. It keeps getting better and better.

As a guy who loves the blues BECAUSE of the Stones, it's a dream come true.



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One thing that struck me today.

Including all their studio, live and compilation albums (but excluding the archive live releases like Leeds '82) this is only the third Stones album that was completely recorded in their home country.

The others were their debut album (both the UK and US versions) and 'Satanic Majesties'.

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Their greatest albums tend not to give you the initial, but fleeting, rush that goes away after a few listens. A Bigger Bang is the best example of the fleeting rush that then goes away and holds little interest for me today. Their best ones take a few listens to start seeping through your skin. This album is growing with each listen just like their best stuff. You discover something new every time you listen to it. I know that in 6 months or 1 year or 10 years, I will still say that this is their best album since Tattoo You. The showcasing of Mick is my favorite part of this album. All this crap about Keith being the soul of the Stones and Mick being the business mind is a load of crap but Mick supports that canard with his failure to fully embrace the fact that of all the Stones, he is the truest bluesman of all. People forget that most of the Stones blues tunes were written by Mick. It is a truly magical album but the way that albums continue to live and breathe is by being given live run outs and the chances of that happening are close to zero. The only tiny criticism I have is that as much as I love Darryl Jones, of all their albums since Voodoo Lounge, I wish Bill Wyman was on this one.

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One thing that struck me today.

Including all their studio, live and compilation albums (but excluding the archive live releases like Leeds '82) this is only the third Stones album that was completely recorded in their home country.

The others were their debut album (both the UK and US versions) and 'Satanic Majesties'.

Even the 'Got live if you want it' live album from the '66 UK tour had some studio material recorded in the US.


I was about to mention something about how the fact that this was recorded in England gives the album some added magic Gazza. I have always said that one of the biggest stumbling blocks in Mick and Keith's writing relationship - if not the biggest - is that they have lived in different countries for over 30 years. From a selfish point of view, I wish Keith would move back for his twilight years.
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After one listening of the whole album, I say it is great but  there's something missing from the blues feeling of the covers of the late 60s and the 70s like No Expectations, Love in Vain, Shake your hips, Stop Breaking Down, You gotta move, Mannish Boy, etc or the covers of the 60s in later versions like Little Red Rooster, I Just wanna make love to you all you B&B, etc etc

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This album needs to be listened to in its entirety.  It's been awhile since they've put out an album with no weak tracks. Nothing you have to make excuses for. Zero cringes.

One or two blues covers wouldn't have had the same impact.  This album makes me stalk around my study, throwing punches at the air and swearing.
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I've been wondering about this. I can't get it right now, obviously but I probably will in the future.
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87,000 copies sold in the UK during the first 5 days with 2 more days to go, an impressive #1 debut next Friday.
It will get the second best debut sales of year after Bowie's Blackstar.
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This album makes me stalk around my study, throwing punches at the air and swearing.


It's got me hitting the bench press and putting extra gel in my hair.
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This is my loose opinion. MICK's harp and voice is the solid highlight for me throughout. I love Charlie's drumming style and it sounds like he is using brushes instead of sticks which is different, and I love his song endings, ba-boom!  I like Ronnie's playing pretty good but KEEF's sound is kind of  hard to hear, it is in the background and I wish it was louder and stronger. Maybe more takes or remixes would of been better. The sound of the album is not too crisp but that is probably intentional.  I'm more of a rock chick than a blues chick but I love MICK so I'm happy overall but I cant see myself playing it when I want to party. Its the type of record you listen to when you are alone, so Blue & Lonesome is a very appropriate title. When I'm blue and low, I'll get some comfort from listening to it.  Otherwise I'll stick to the rock songs like Bitch & Rocks Off! Sorry guys but its a bit of a let down for me, but I'm glad they did it and I'm glad it is selling so well.
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The Rolling Stones' Blue & Lonesome claims UK's Number 1 on this week's Official Albums Chart with massive opening week sales


Congratulations to The Rolling Stones, who claim this week’s Number 1 on the Official Albums Chart with their latest album Blue & Lonesome – their first new studio album to hit the top spot in more than 20 years.

The iconic band’s first studio record in more than a decade shifted a massive 106,000 combined sales to claim the top spot – the second-highest opening sales week for an album this year, behind David Bowie’s Blackstar, which logged 146,000 sales in its first week back in January.

The Rolling Stones commented: “We are absolutely delighted with the success of Blue & Lonesome in the UK and around the world.”

99% of Blue & Lonesome's sales were either physical purchases or downloads, with 1% attributed to streams. In terms of digital vs. physical sales, physical accounted for 95,000 of it's overall total.

The record, which is also certified gold today by the BPI, is The Rolling Stones’ 12th Official UK Number 1 album. Their last new studio collection to reach the summit was Voodoo Lounge in 1994, though a re-release of their 1972 album Exile On Main St also reached Number 1 in 2010.

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"Ride 'em on down" tops the UK vinyl singles chart, too


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But THIS remains the only ever blues single to top the UK charts - in fact, probably ANY singles chart anywhere in the world....


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Blue and Lonesome is out of this world. I'm listening to it daily, multiple times.

yes, it is fun.
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You would think anyone with the success of the album on the charts would take advantage of it, push it, and play some gigs that no one would expect. Throw in a few shows at the Albert Hall with 1-2 special guests, another trip back to the Paradiso, something at Buddy Guy's, have Jerry Portnoy or Charlie Musslewhite join them, the possibilities are endless . . . the chances are zero.
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Just be happy there's a new album. And it's not like Mick doesn't have a newborn or anything.


That's my point. They really should take advantage of the momentum but they have a recent track record of not doing so. If you don't give new songs live run outs, the momentum ceases and the momentum dies.

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Japanese SHM CD available today on D****oid in lossless Flac.  Hopefully a sonic improvement.  That's not impossible, given the state of western CD mastering.  On the basis of other SHM discs, recommended to buyers.

UPDATE: Japanese SHM CD is not brickwalled.
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Andrews, what kind of audio system do you have?

The vinyl and CD sound great on my mainly analog rig.
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Andrews, what kind of audio system do you have?

The vinyl and CD sound great on my mainly analog rig.


Since you ask, I own the top of the line Adcom analog pre-amp, power amp, and tuner from c. 1997 (555 series), which have held up very well and have good, colorless sound, unless I choose to use the tone controls, like on bootlegs.  I have the top Music Hall CD player from about five years ago.  I use a VPI Scout turntable with an Audio-Technica LC-155 moving magnet cartridge, vintage 1989 but still a 20 to 20khz contender, with all the money I invested in buying up new-old-stock styli.  (I will never go to moving coil in cartridges.)  All patched together with Audioquest Diamondback cable, plus Audioquest speaker cable that I don't feel like checking the name of tonight.  My speakers are DeVore Fidelity 0/93 Orangutans, my most recent and most expensive investment.

I am not completely up to date, and I don't want to be.  But compared to most, I am the hoochie-coochie man, so don't you mess with me.  I got seven hundred dollahs!

When I say that Blue & Lonesome sounds like shit on the brickwalled US CD, and sounds less constrained and more listenable on the non-brickwalled Japanese SHM CD, made of superior polycarbonate, and mastered by engineers who have proved on past re-releases (Bowie, post-ABKCO Stones, Elton John, especially Stevie Wonder compared to those trash Motown CDs) to produce a superior transfer than western models, you bes' nevah doubt!

I'm here ta school y'alls - buy it on SHM CD.  Buy everything you can on SHM CD.  Download some and hear the difference.  Go to D****oid and grab that SHM Blue & Lonesome for comparison.  I hope I live long enough to hear the ABKCO Stones catalog upgraded to SHM CD.

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Not a bad audio system.

CD Japan has been on my radar for some time now for the SHM CD versions of things but I haven't pulled the trigger for one reason or another. Crosseyed Heart is available as well as Blue and Lonesome on that format, so I may have to do it.
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Seriously - go get the Blue & Lonesome SHM that's on D****oid, burn it to CD-R, and A-B it with the US CD.  When I load both rips into Winamp on my computer, I can see on the display meter that the SHM is not brickwalled, while the US is brickwalled and loud to the max, which is bad medicine for this record.

I can't afford everything.  All my SHM's are rips posted on the internet - and I'm thankful to get stuff of superior quality however I can.  Though I have Emotional Rescue on the original 1980s vinyl, I ran across the Virgin CD remaster at a public library, and checked it out to play in my car.  It played well at home, so I burned a copy to CD-R and enjoyed it a few times, congratulating Virgin on getting one Stones CD right.  Then a couple of months later I saw the SHM disc on the net and grabbed it.  It was obvious even on the computer speakers that this was the superior version, and on the "big stereo" rig I could hear distortion on the brickwalled Virgin CD that hadn't bothered me until I heard the SHM.  (Like I said, this was one of the better Virgin CDs, so slack was cut at the time.)

It isn't just that the SHM CDs are made of better material.  In Japan, they've built up an audiophile culture since the 1970s that goes from top to bottom of the buying chain, and Japanese engineers aren't preoccupied with only delivering volume.  They remix and master to CD more faithfully to the sound of the original vinyl recording.  I think it's because the Japanese actually care about their work, care about fidelity to the originals, and maybe despise the sound of western CD mastering.  I don't blame them. 

If you own it all (or almost all) on vinyl, it's great to have digital remasters that sound like the analog originals and don't suck.  SHMs are more bankable than expensive Mobile Fidelity remasters on "gold" CDs, because Mo-Fi's trademark is to up the bass and treble while suppressing the midrange, which is just a more tasteful American infidelity. 

I have no idea why western record companies disrespect their customers so - it's now gone beyond the need to cater to younger listeners discovering the back catalog, and into a darker sort of cynicism.  To boot, they created that whole culture of noise by pushing brickwalled CDs and lossy .mp3 sound on the masses, selling AM radio-quality sound to a new generation, through tiny, portable radio-quality earphones.  And if you want an upgrade, you can buy a pair of Beats (the Mo-Fi of headphones) and go deaf listening to bad mastering.

I've downloaded a lot, and all the bad CDs I paid for is the reason for it.  I think that's the rationale for a lot of people: why pay for shit product when you can get it - or something better - for free?  Wait, somebody's at the door....

P.S. - Crosseyed Heart is actually mastered acceptably on US CD, though I could always be surprised by an SHM upgrade.  If Blue & Lonesome sounded as good, we'd have been blessed.  The poster on this thread who said we should just wait a year for the remaster really nailed the culture.

P.P.S. - Google up the Analog Planet website.  It'll give you a history of the misdeeds of digital mastering, mostly on vinyl but with many references to CD mastering and remastering.
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Seriously - go get the Blue & Lonesome SHM that's on D****oid, burn it to CD-R, and A-B it with the US CD.  When I load both rips into Winamp on my computer, I can see on the display meter that the SHM is not brickwalled, while the US is brickwalled and loud to the max, which is bad medicine for this record.

I can't afford everything.  All my SHM's are rips posted on the internet - and I'm thankful to get stuff of superior quality however I can.  Though I have Emotional Rescue on the original 1980s vinyl, I ran across the Virgin CD remaster at a public library, and checked it out to play in my car.  It played well at home, so I burned a copy to CD-R and enjoyed it a few times, congratulating Virgin on getting one Stones CD right.  Then a couple of months later I saw the SHM disc on the net and grabbed it.  It was obvious even on the computer speakers that this was the superior version, and on the "big stereo" rig I could hear distortion on the brickwalled Virgin CD that hadn't bothered me until I heard the SHM.  (Like I said, this was one of the better Virgin CDs, so slack was cut at the time.)

It isn't just that the SHM CDs are made of better material.  In Japan, they've built up an audiophile culture since the 1970s that goes from top to bottom of the buying chain, and Japanese engineers aren't preoccupied with only delivering volume.  They remix and master to CD more faithfully to the sound of the original vinyl recording.  I think it's because the Japanese actually care about their work, care about fidelity to the originals, and maybe despise the sound of western CD mastering.  I don't blame them. 

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I've downloaded a lot, and all the bad CDs I paid for is the reason for it.  I think that's the rationale for a lot of people: why pay for shit product when you can get it - or something better - for free?  Wait, somebody's at the door....

P.S. - Crosseyed Heart is actually mastered acceptably on US CD, though I could always be surprised by an SHM upgrade.  If Blue & Lonesome sounded as good, we'd have been blessed.  The poster on this thread who said we should just wait a year for the remaster really nailed the culture.

P.P.S. - Google up the Analog Planet website.  It'll give you a history of the misdeeds of digital mastering, mostly on vinyl but with many references to CD mastering and remastering.


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About the original question I read somewhere that intentionally they used old equipment to record and give the album the sound of the 50s



I didnt read that...but I am not sure that is true...from everything I read, all this came up rather suddenly...

They all just got into a groove and finished it in 3 days....Clapton just happened to be there...there may have been some older equipment from Knoflers stuff ( it was his studio, right?) but I do not think they went the route of getting old mics and amps, and guitar and strings, etc...It sounds like an impromptu jam session (that lasted 3 days, LOL)

Over all, I like the album...to be honest...I am not the biggest blues fan ( which surprises me, since I managed and tended bar in a DC blues club for over 10 years, but I was in it for the chics)...I love when the band plays 1 or 2 blues songs in a show or on an album, but to listen to an entire album ( by anyone) is hard for me.

As I listen to all the songs ( 2 or 3 at a time) I enjoy them...some more than others...
I think this is a really great piece of musicianship on everyone's part. I wish the album cover was better though...would loved to have seen the band dressed up like old blues musicians or assume some sort of old timey characters, like on BB

If they retired from recording tomorrow, it would be a great swan song....almost a full circle. So glad Bigger Bang was not the last album released...
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"The Rolling Stones rock at No. 4 with its new blues covers album, Blue & Lonesome, which debuts with 123,000 units (120,000 in traditional album sales). The set -- which is the band’s first album of all-new recordings since 2005’s A Bigger Bang -- marks the group’s record-extending 37th top 10 effort. (No act has earned more top 10 albums in the history of the chart.) It’s the band’s first new top 10 since A Bigger Bang debuted and peaked at No. 3 with 129,000 copies sold in its first week. (It was also the last album of new tunes written by the group.)"

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The Rolling Stones notch their record-extending 37th top 10 album on the Billboard 200 chart, as the band’s new set, Blue & Lonesome, debuts at No. 4.

The blues covers effort starts with 123,000 equivalent album units earned in the week ending Dec. 8, according to Nielsen Music. Of that sum, 120,000 were traditional album sales.

The Billboard 200 chart ranks the most popular albums of the week in the U.S. based on multi-metric consumption, which includes traditional album sales, track equivalent albums (TEA) and streaming equivalent albums (SEA). The new Dec. 24-dated chart (where Blue & Lonesome bows at No. 4) will be posted in full to Billboard’s websites on Tuesday, Dec. 13.

Blue & Lonesome -- which is the band’s first album of all-new recordings since 2005’s A Bigger Bang -- marks the group’s 37th top 10 effort. No act has earned more top 10 albums in the history of the chart. In second place on the all-time tally is Barbra Streisand, with 34.

Blue & Lonesome is the band’s first new top 10 since A Bigger Bang debuted and peaked at No. 3 with 129,000 copies sold in its first week. (It was also the last album of new tunes written by the group.)

Blue & Lonesome’s first-week launch of 123,000 is particularly robust for a few reasons. First, it’s a covers set, which sometimes draw less fanfare than albums of wholly new material. Plus, it comes over a decade after A Bigger Bang, so it proves there is still an audience for new music by the Stones. Further, as album sales in the U.S. fell 61 percent between 2005 and 2015, it makes the Stones’ start even more solid -- Blue & Lonesome’s sales bow is just 6,000 copies fewer than the launch of A Bigger Bang over 10 years ago.

Of course, it’s not as if the Stones have been off the radar for the past decade on vacation. The band has reissued a number of albums in expansive deluxe sets (including Exile on Main St., Some Girls and Sticky Fingers), toured the world a few times, and released live albums and greatest hits compilations.

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UK (106,000)
Germany (+100,000)
Sweden
Netherlands (+50,000)
Belgium (Flanders)
Belgium (Wallonia)
Norway
Australia (18,370)
Argentina

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France (52,000)
New Zealand

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One thing that struck me today.

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The others were their debut album (both the UK and US versions) and 'Satanic Majesties'.

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Now about the record .. I am grateful to great friends for giving me a sneak peak.

On one final note.. you seem actually most satisfied... even surprisingly satisfied ... quite enthused with the new album ..

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This must be their fastest selling studio album ever there, I can't think in any studio album selling so fast in Britain.
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The end of this cracking interview led back to the blues...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J0gEK9Gk-Ss

But I'm up for a lovely Stoonz ballad at the mo.

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I'm starting to feel that they went into the studio and their focus was this album and NOT a batch of originals.
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Guess I might see it sometime after the new year.  Don't suck my cock
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I like it but, I thought I would hate it. Jagger's harp playing is fucking quality, the fucking business. I was blown away. I thought; Oh! no this will suck as I picked my copy up. But I get home and WOW! It blew me away. I'm not a Stones sychophant, so I don't usually rave about anything since Undercover, this really is quality.
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I put it on the boom box while shooting baskets with my African American friends. One of them commented dem niggas good.


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I like it but, I thought I would hate it. Jagger's harp playing is fucking quality, the fucking business. I was blown away. I thought; Oh! no this will suck as I picked my copy up. But I get home and WOW! It blew me away. I'm not a Stones sychophant, so I don't usually rave about anything since Undercover, this really is quality.


Oh, now I've got to get that soon. I love Mick's harp playing! I only wish he played in more songs.
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In only 3 weeks, the album has sold 233,224 copies in Britain and ranks #17 on the year to date chart, with 9 more days of sales to go in 2016, an impressive performance.
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One thing that struck me today.

Including all their studio, live and compilation albums (but excluding the archive live releases like Leeds '82) this is only the third Stones album that was completely recorded in their home country.

The others were their debut album (both the UK and US versions) and 'Satanic Majesties'.

Even the 'Got live if you want it' live album from the '66 UK tour had some studio material recorded in the US.

Wasn't 'Beggars Banquet' completely recorded at Olympic?

More importantly, G - what do you think of the new album?

I just got it yesterday, played it about five times, I'm loving it. I've got a couple questions for you if you see this post, mate...

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Listening to Everybody Knows About My Good Thing. Those guitars. Oh those guitars. Hard to believe that's Ronnie and Keith. But , wow.  You rock! You rock! Fuck you Gazza, Will ya? Fuck you Gazza, Will ya?
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Listening to Everybody Knows About My Good Thing. Those guitars. Oh those guitars. Hard to believe that's Ronnie and Keith. But , wow.  You rock! You rock! Fuck you Gazza, Will ya? Fuck you Gazza, Will ya?


with a bit of help from Clapton..
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Listening to Everybody Knows About My Good Thing. Those guitars. Oh those guitars. Hard to believe that's Ronnie and Keith. But , wow.  You rock! You rock! Fuck you Gazza, Will ya? Fuck you Gazza, Will ya?


with a bit of help from Clapton..

Ahh, didn't know he was on that one. That explains a lot. Are you fucking serious? You rock! Fuck you Gazza, Will ya?
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After 2 months the album has sold close to 1.7 million copies worldwide, about 300.000 in the US, over 200.000 in Germany, 180.000 in France and TODAY it was certified PLATINUM in the UK for sales over 300.000 (it has sold 302,000 copies so far there and it's #14 this week)

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played it for a group of friends during a get together beer etc. By song 12 one of the dudes was doing his best Jagger.
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Spun it on vinyl and cd this weekend. Can't get enough of it.
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Brickwalled CD version still sucks and blows compared to dynamic Japanese SHM-CD.  Technology aside, a great record.  But what listener can triumph over technology?

Since you asked, I'm going to interrupt reggae night and play it RIGHT NOW.

Update: One of the problems of this recording on a high-fidelity system is that I can't play it as loud as I'd like to, for fear of tweeter blow-out.  Even the SHM version.  They made this for the "portable pic-nic players" of A Clockwork Orange.  Uncanny Bastrads!  Finance my hi-fi if you want kudos.





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I've been listening to it quite a bit since I bought mine. Commit A Crime, Blue And Lonesome, Hoo Doo Blues, and Little Rain are my favorites but I truly like all of them. I have very, very seldom said that about any album. The singing, the musicianship, the overall performance of the songs, all are absolutely excellent. And something else rarely said about modern blues albums -- truly authentic.

That Blue and Lonesome has hit so big proves something I've been saying for years: people love blues! They just don't know the blues. No matter what type of music is ruling the charts at the moment, you get people together, play blues and they will love it. I wonder how many people rocking to this album realize that these songs are old even to the Stones themselves?
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The best song on the album. Trust me I have been putting the time in seclusion with this disc. This song is really fucking good.

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Is anyone playing it this weekend? Thoughts? Impressions?


Brickwalled CD version still sucks and blows compared to dynamic Japanese SHM-CD.  Technology aside, a great record.  But what listener can triumph over technology?

Since you asked, I'm going to interrupt reggae night and play it RIGHT NOW.

Update: One of the problems of this recording on a high-fidelity system is that I can't play it as loud as I'd like to, for fear of tweeter blow-out.  Even the SHM version.  They made this for the "portable pic-nic players" of A Clockwork Orange.  Uncanny Bastrads!  Finance my hi-fi if you want kudos.





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Steel Wheels wrote on Mar 4th, 2017 at 6:51pm:
Is anyone playing it this weekend? Thoughts? Impressions?


Brickwalled CD version still sucks and blows compared to dynamic Japanese SHM-CD.  Technology aside, a great record.  But what listener can triumph over technology?

Since you asked, I'm going to interrupt reggae night and play it RIGHT NOW.

Update: One of the problems of this recording on a high-fidelity system is that I can't play it as loud as I'd like to, for fear of tweeter blow-out.  Even the SHM version.  They made this for the "portable pic-nic players" of A Clockwork Orange.  Uncanny Bastrads!  Finance my hi-fi if you want kudos.





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I'm all in..my fave!....my Japanese CD has shipped and should arrive next week....looking forward to hearing a great upgrade (fingers crossed)
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andrews27 wrote on Mar 4th, 2017 at 9:37pm:
Steel Wheels wrote on Mar 4th, 2017 at 6:51pm:
Is anyone playing it this weekend? Thoughts? Impressions?


Brickwalled CD version still sucks and blows compared to dynamic Japanese SHM-CD.  Technology aside, a great record.  But what listener can triumph over technology?

Since you asked, I'm going to interrupt reggae night and play it RIGHT NOW.

Update: One of the problems of this recording on a high-fidelity system is that I can't play it as loud as I'd like to, for fear of tweeter blow-out.  Even the SHM version.  They made this for the "portable pic-nic players" of A Clockwork Orange.  Uncanny Bastrads!  Finance my hi-fi if you want kudos.





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please post when you hear it


Very nice upgrade with much fuller sound ...highly recommend the extra $$ for this Japanese hi-fidelity version
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just pm me your address I will mail you a copy......I'm going to rip it tomorrow and highest flac level I can....I'm interested to see how large each song file is verus mp3 etc and even flac
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Steel Wheels wrote on Mar 4th, 2017 at 6:51pm:
Is anyone playing it this weekend? Thoughts? Impressions?


Brickwalled CD version still sucks and blows compared to dynamic Japanese SHM-CD.  Technology aside, a great record.  But what listener can triumph over technology?

Since you asked, I'm going to interrupt reggae night and play it RIGHT NOW.

Update: One of the problems of this recording on a high-fidelity system is that I can't play it as loud as I'd like to, for fear of tweeter blow-out.  Even the SHM version.  They made this for the "portable pic-nic players" of A Clockwork Orange.  Uncanny Bastrads!  Finance my hi-fi if you want kudos.





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please post when you hear it


Very nice upgrade with much fuller sound ...highly recommend the extra $$ for this Japanese hi-fidelity version


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just pm me your address I will mail you a copy......I'm going to rip it tomorrow and highest flac level I can....I'm interested to see how large each song file is verus mp3 etc and even flac


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Ok, I just ripped the files from the Japanese version. Last track is I Can't Quit You. The MP3 version I got from Amazon is 9.5 MB....Regular CD is 29.34 (I think?)..and the uncompressed WAV file on the Japanese CD is 52.66 MB. Quite a lot of compression on the MP3 as usual.
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Playing this album again got me thinking...we've had our blues cd..how about a country covers album?
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Let me guess. He lives on the other side of the burned out freeway..........Should have it by Christmas.
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Re: Blue & Lonesome - Released Dec. 2, 2016 - Your Verdict
Reply #177 - May 27th, 2017 at 2:49pm
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gimmekeef wrote on May 27th, 2017 at 9:56am:
Some Guy wrote on May 27th, 2017 at 8:42am:
Best BBQ album ever.


Just got a new car that plays DVD Audio discs. Ordered Exile in that version and it arrives today for my road trip to Canada!......Loving Cup will sound so sweeeeeet

Gimmie 'lil drink.....Sounds like a hell of a trip GK.  Let's go get drunk You rock! Fuck you Gazza, Will ya?
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Reply #178 - Jun 2nd, 2017 at 1:56pm
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Album of The Summer.
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Reply #179 - Jul 27th, 2017 at 10:58am
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When driving in traffic, digging through the glove box looking for it- FYI it's the blue one.
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Re: Blue & Lonesome - Released Dec. 2, 2016 - Your Verdict
Reply #180 - Jul 27th, 2017 at 1:04pm
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Some Guy wrote on Jul 27th, 2017 at 10:58am:
When driving in traffic, digging through the glove box looking for it- FYI it's the blue one.


That's what map pockets are for, and who still uses maps anyway ?


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