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Reply #75 - Dec 9th, 2016 at 7:23pm
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Ah, but that was a ROCK version of a blues song (and a classic version too)

But THIS remains the only ever blues single to top the UK charts - in fact, probably ANY singles chart anywhere in the world....


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Reply #76 - Dec 9th, 2016 at 7:49pm
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Blue and Lonesome is out of this world. I'm listening to it daily, multiple times.
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Reply #77 - Dec 9th, 2016 at 7:56pm
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Steel Wheels wrote on Dec 9th, 2016 at 7:49pm:
Blue and Lonesome is out of this world. I'm listening to it daily, multiple times.

yes, it is fun.
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Reply #78 - Dec 9th, 2016 at 9:51pm
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Commit A Crime is on a endless loop in my head.

The record is epic.
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Reply #79 - Dec 10th, 2016 at 1:03am
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You would think anyone with the success of the album on the charts would take advantage of it, push it, and play some gigs that no one would expect. Throw in a few shows at the Albert Hall with 1-2 special guests, another trip back to the Paradiso, something at Buddy Guy's, have Jerry Portnoy or Charlie Musslewhite join them, the possibilities are endless . . . the chances are zero.
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Reply #80 - Dec 10th, 2016 at 8:02am
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Just be happy there's a new album. And it's not like Mick doesn't have a newborn or anything.
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Steel Wheels wrote on Dec 10th, 2016 at 8:02am:
Just be happy there's a new album. And it's not like Mick doesn't have a newborn or anything.


That's my point. They really should take advantage of the momentum but they have a recent track record of not doing so. If you don't give new songs live run outs, the momentum ceases and the momentum dies.

Good point on the baby though.
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Reply #82 - Dec 10th, 2016 at 10:11am
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Japanese SHM CD available today on D****oid in lossless Flac.† Hopefully a sonic improvement.† That's not impossible, given the state of western CD mastering.† On the basis of other SHM discs, recommended to buyers.

UPDATE: Japanese SHM CD is not brickwalled.
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Reply #83 - Dec 10th, 2016 at 6:39pm
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Andrews, what kind of audio system do you have?

The vinyl and CD sound great on my mainly analog rig.
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Reply #84 - Dec 10th, 2016 at 8:47pm
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Steel Wheels wrote on Dec 10th, 2016 at 6:39pm:
Andrews, what kind of audio system do you have?

The vinyl and CD sound great on my mainly analog rig.


Since you ask, I own the top of the line Adcom analog pre-amp, power amp, and tuner from c. 1997 (555 series), which have held up very well and have good, colorless sound, unless I choose to use the tone controls, like on bootlegs.† I have the top Music Hall CD player from about five years ago.† I use a VPI Scout turntable with an Audio-Technica LC-155 moving magnet cartridge, vintage 1989 but still a 20 to 20khz contender, with all the money I invested in buying up new-old-stock styli.† (I will never go to moving coil in cartridges.)† All patched together with Audioquest Diamondback cable, plus Audioquest speaker cable that I don't feel like checking the name of tonight.† My speakers are DeVore Fidelity 0/93 Orangutans, my most recent and most expensive investment.

I am not completely up to date, and I don't want to be.† But compared to most, I am the hoochie-coochie man, so don't you mess with me.† I got seven hundred dollahs!

When I say that Blue & Lonesome sounds like shit on the brickwalled US CD, and sounds less constrained and more listenable on the non-brickwalled Japanese SHM CD, made of superior polycarbonate, and mastered by engineers who have proved on past re-releases (Bowie, post-ABKCO Stones, Elton John, especially Stevie Wonder compared to those trash Motown CDs) to produce a superior transfer than western models, you bes' nevah doubt!

I'm here ta school y'alls - buy it on SHM CD.† Buy everything you can on SHM CD.† Download some and hear the difference.† Go to D****oid and grab that SHM Blue & Lonesome for comparison.† I hope I live long enough to hear the ABKCO Stones catalog upgraded to SHM CD.

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Reply #85 - Dec 10th, 2016 at 9:26pm
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Not a bad audio system.

CD Japan has been on my radar for some time now for the SHM CD versions of things but I haven't pulled the trigger for one reason or another. Crosseyed Heart is available as well as Blue and Lonesome on that format, so I may have to do it.
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Reply #86 - Dec 11th, 2016 at 11:00am
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Seriously - go get the Blue & Lonesome SHM that's on D****oid, burn it to CD-R, and A-B it with the US CD.† When I load both rips into Winamp on my computer, I can see on the display meter that the SHM is not brickwalled, while the US is brickwalled and loud to the max, which is bad medicine for this record.

I can't afford everything.† All my SHM's are rips posted on the internet - and I'm thankful to get stuff of superior quality however I can.† Though I have Emotional Rescue on the original 1980s vinyl, I ran across the Virgin CD remaster at a public library, and checked it out to play in my car.† It played well at home, so I burned a copy to CD-R and enjoyed it a few times, congratulating Virgin on getting one Stones CD right.† Then a couple of months later I saw the SHM disc on the net and grabbed it.† It was obvious even on the computer speakers that this was the superior version, and on the "big stereo" rig I could hear distortion on the brickwalled Virgin CD that hadn't bothered me until I heard the SHM.† (Like I said, this was one of the better Virgin CDs, so slack was cut at the time.)

It isn't just that the SHM CDs are made of better material.† In Japan, they've built up an audiophile culture since the 1970s that goes from top to bottom of the buying chain, and Japanese engineers aren't preoccupied with only delivering volume.† They remix and master to CD more faithfully to the sound of the original vinyl recording.† I think it's because the Japanese actually care about their work, care about fidelity to the originals, and maybe despise the sound of western CD mastering.† I don't blame them.†

If you own it all (or almost all) on vinyl, it's great to have digital remasters that sound like the analog originals and don't suck.† SHMs are more bankable than expensive Mobile Fidelity remasters on "gold" CDs, because Mo-Fi's trademark is to up the bass and treble while suppressing the midrange, which is just a more tasteful American infidelity.†

I have no idea why western record companies disrespect their customers so - it's now gone beyond the need to cater to younger listeners discovering the back catalog, and into a darker sort of cynicism.† To boot, they created that whole culture of noise by pushing brickwalled CDs and lossy .mp3 sound on the masses, selling AM radio-quality sound to a new generation, through tiny, portable radio-quality earphones.† And if you want an upgrade, you can buy a pair of Beats (the Mo-Fi of headphones) and go deaf listening to bad mastering.

I've downloaded a lot, and all the bad CDs I paid for is the reason for it.† I think that's the rationale for a lot of people: why pay for shit product when you can get it - or something better - for free?† Wait, somebody's at the door....

P.S. - Crosseyed Heart is actually mastered acceptably on US CD, though I could always be surprised by an SHM upgrade.† If Blue & Lonesome sounded as good, we'd have been blessed.† The poster on this thread who said we should just wait a year for the remaster really nailed the culture.

P.P.S. - Google up the Analog Planet website.† It'll give you a history of the misdeeds of digital mastering, mostly on vinyl but with many references to CD mastering and remastering.
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andrews27 wrote on Dec 11th, 2016 at 11:00am:
Seriously - go get the Blue & Lonesome SHM that's on D****oid, burn it to CD-R, and A-B it with the US CD.† When I load both rips into Winamp on my computer, I can see on the display meter that the SHM is not brickwalled, while the US is brickwalled and loud to the max, which is bad medicine for this record.

I can't afford everything.† All my SHM's are rips posted on the internet - and I'm thankful to get stuff of superior quality however I can.† Though I have Emotional Rescue on the original 1980s vinyl, I ran across the Virgin CD remaster at a public library, and checked it out to play in my car.† It played well at home, so I burned a copy to CD-R and enjoyed it a few times, congratulating Virgin on getting one Stones CD right.† Then a couple of months later I saw the SHM disc on the net and grabbed it.† It was obvious even on the computer speakers that this was the superior version, and on the "big stereo" rig I could hear distortion on the brickwalled Virgin CD that hadn't bothered me until I heard the SHM.† (Like I said, this was one of the better Virgin CDs, so slack was cut at the time.)

It isn't just that the SHM CDs are made of better material.† In Japan, they've built up an audiophile culture since the 1970s that goes from top to bottom of the buying chain, and Japanese engineers aren't preoccupied with only delivering volume.† They remix and master to CD more faithfully to the sound of the original vinyl recording.† I think it's because the Japanese actually care about their work, care about fidelity to the originals, and maybe despise the sound of western CD mastering.† I don't blame them.†

If you own it all (or almost all) on vinyl, it's great to have digital remasters that sound like the analog originals and don't suck.† SHMs are more bankable than expensive Mobile Fidelity remasters on "gold" CDs, because Mo-Fi's trademark is to up the bass and treble while suppressing the midrange, which is just a more tasteful American infidelity.†

I have no idea why western record companies disrespect their customers so - it's now gone beyond the need to cater to younger listeners discovering the back catalog, and into a darker sort of cynicism.† To boot, they created that whole culture of noise by pushing brickwalled CDs and lossy .mp3 sound on the masses, selling AM radio-quality sound to a new generation, through tiny, portable radio-quality earphones.† And if you want an upgrade, you can buy a pair of Beats (the Mo-Fi of headphones) and go deaf listening to bad mastering.

I've downloaded a lot, and all the bad CDs I paid for is the reason for it.† I think that's the rationale for a lot of people: why pay for shit product when you can get it - or something better - for free?† Wait, somebody's at the door....

P.S. - Crosseyed Heart is actually mastered acceptably on US CD, though I could always be surprised by an SHM upgrade.† If Blue & Lonesome sounded as good, we'd have been blessed.† The poster on this thread who said we should just wait a year for the remaster really nailed the culture.

P.P.S. - Google up the Analog Planet website.† It'll give you a history of the misdeeds of digital mastering, mostly on vinyl but with many references to CD mastering and remastering.


Has anyone heard the high resolution download from hd tracks or Qobuz & compared it to the normal cd?
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Reply #88 - Dec 11th, 2016 at 1:53pm
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Tom wrote on Nov 29th, 2016 at 3:27pm:
About the original question I read somewhere that intentionally they used old equipment to record and give the album the sound of the 50s



I didnt read that...but I am not sure that is true...from everything I read, all this came up rather suddenly...

They all just got into a groove and finished it in 3 days....Clapton just happened to be there...there may have been some older equipment from Knoflers stuff ( it was his studio, right?) but I do not think they went the route of getting old mics and amps, and guitar and strings, etc...It sounds like an impromptu jam session (that lasted 3 days, LOL)

Over all, I like the album...to be honest...I am not the biggest blues fan ( which surprises me, since I managed and tended bar in a DC blues club for over 10 years, but I was in it for the chics)...I love when the band plays 1 or 2 blues songs in a show or on an album, but to listen to an entire album ( by anyone) is hard for me.

As I listen to all the songs ( 2 or 3 at a time) I enjoy them...some more than others...
I think this is a really great piece of musicianship on everyone's part. I wish the album cover was better though...would loved to have seen the band dressed up like old blues musicians or assume some sort of old timey characters, like on BB

If they retired from recording tomorrow, it would be a great swan song....almost a full circle. So glad Bigger Bang was not the last album released...
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Billboard:

"The Rolling Stones rock at No. 4 with its new blues covers album, Blue & Lonesome, which debuts with 123,000 units (120,000 in traditional album sales). The set -- which is the bandís first album of all-new recordings since 2005ís A Bigger Bang -- marks the groupís record-extending 37th top 10 effort. (No act has earned more top 10 albums in the history of the chart.) Itís the bandís first new top 10 since A Bigger Bang debuted and peaked at No. 3 with 129,000 copies sold in its first week. (It was also the last album of new tunes written by the group.)"

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The Rolling Stones Earn Record-Extending 37th Top 10 Album on Billboard 200 Chart


The Rolling Stones notch their record-extending 37th top 10 album on the Billboard 200 chart, as the bandís new set, Blue & Lonesome, debuts at No. 4.

The blues covers effort starts with 123,000 equivalent album units earned in the week ending Dec. 8, according to Nielsen Music. Of that sum, 120,000 were traditional album sales.

The Billboard 200 chart ranks the most popular albums of the week in the U.S. based on multi-metric consumption, which includes traditional album sales, track equivalent albums (TEA) and streaming equivalent albums (SEA). The new Dec. 24-dated chart (where Blue & Lonesome bows at No. 4) will be posted in full to Billboardís websites on Tuesday, Dec. 13.

Blue & Lonesome -- which is the bandís first album of all-new recordings since 2005ís A Bigger Bang -- marks the groupís 37th top 10 effort. No act has earned more top 10 albums in the history of the chart. In second place on the all-time tally is Barbra Streisand, with 34.

Blue & Lonesome is the bandís first new top 10 since A Bigger Bang debuted and peaked at No. 3 with 129,000 copies sold in its first week. (It was also the last album of new tunes written by the group.)

Blue & Lonesomeís first-week launch of 123,000 is particularly robust for a few reasons. First, itís a covers set, which sometimes draw less fanfare than albums of wholly new material. Plus, it comes over a decade after A Bigger Bang, so it proves there is still an audience for new music by the Stones. Further, as album sales in the U.S. fell 61 percent between 2005 and 2015, it makes the Stonesí start even more solid -- Blue & Lonesomeís sales bow is just 6,000 copies fewer than the launch of A Bigger Bang over 10 years ago.

Of course, itís not as if the Stones have been off the radar for the past decade on vacation. The band has reissued a number of albums in expansive deluxe sets (including Exile on Main St., Some Girls and Sticky Fingers), toured the world a few times, and released live albums and greatest hits compilations.

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First debuts so far:

#1
UK (106,000)
Germany (+100,000)
Sweden
Netherlands (+50,000)
Belgium (Flanders)
Belgium (Wallonia)
Norway
Australia (18,370)
Argentina

#2
France (52,000)
New Zealand

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Japan (22,427)

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USA (123,000)
Italy
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I have been out of town till late last night and today I am giving it its first solid listens; it is Fucking Awesome!  At several points Mick's singing had my arm hair standing straight up (sorry, not my Hog Joey!)

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I spent some quality time with this cd today. It is what the boys and girls on the plains of Nebraska with bats and balls call doing your best Jagger!
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Gazza wrote on Dec 5th, 2016 at 4:48pm:
One thing that struck me today.

Including all their studio, live and compilation albums (but excluding the archive live releases like Leeds '82) this is only the third Stones album that was completely recorded in their home country.

The others were their debut album (both the UK and US versions) and 'Satanic Majesties'.

Even the 'Got live if you want it' live album from the '66 UK tour had some studio material recorded in the US.



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Their parts were recorded in London but Chuck Levells parts were recorded in New Orleans in April.

Now about the record .. I am grateful to great friends for giving me a sneak peak.

On one final note.. you seem actually most satisfied... even surprisingly satisfied ... quite enthused with the new album ..

>> If you are satisfied.. now so am I! Rock On, Gazz!!
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