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Much to ponder.
Is it Jogger reborn, or escaping, or calling the shots, or mourning events of a couple of years ago, or 'papering over the cracks', filling in for KR with harmonica, re-iiving Edith Grove in groove rather than in a exhibiti-mock-up, paying dues? Isn't it odd to think they could invent a new musical style and thrust based on blues and then revert to it? Is the idea that it wouldn't matter that they wouldn't sell as many copies as a new fully Stoonz album would perhaps to expected to sell? Is this all about they being able to sit down and play/sing in future more? How much time did they spend on perfecting some of the distorty outros? Did they dub it up enough?  Isn't it funny that RW says that "we're a blues band"? How will the album and tracks unfold during repeated plays over the wintry winter? Is Bill a fan? When Don Was said that Jogger "wasn't feeling it" when recording original material last year, has he got over this? Will they go into a Euro tour promoting Blue & Lo' or will they unfold new & original delights?

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Who's credited as producer(s) on B&L, anyway?

The vocalist on "I Gotta Go" is a man who obviously remembers everything he ever learned young.  But where are the guitarists?  This is one of a few problems with the mix on the fast numbers, which is too hard-charging "raw" for the general good of the public.  Maybe next time just sling two mics over a rafter, or go back to Toshiba Studios. 

Are they better than they've been lately on record?  Yes.  But lately was 2005.  They sounded antiseptic and anodyne then, but the production on "Just Your Fool," "Commit a Crime," "I Gotta Go" and "Ride 'em on Down" is not an improvement, and speaks ill of Mark Knopfler's room.  They got it right on all the other ones, though - so the majority wins the decision.

The Guardian: 'And they do record on tape, Richards says. “This is not digital crap.” '  The trouble is, it's mixed so hot for the sake of "authenticity" that the fast numbers sound like what they were trying to avoid.    

Lossless rip now available on D****oid - so my earlier complaints are now updated.

P.S. - Mick, the B-stage is the place for a set of three of these songs, not the main stage where "Ride 'em on Down" was a wasted balls-up.  ("Here birdie!  Nice birdie!  Oh, well - on to the next...")
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Some Guy wrote on Nov 30th, 2016 at 3:39pm:
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Some Guy wrote on Nov 30th, 2016 at 3:39pm:
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I didn't get an Email.  Spooky post

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Some Guy wrote on Dec 1st, 2016 at 2:44pm:
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Some Guy wrote on Nov 30th, 2016 at 4:38pm:
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Really proud of this one. I will find a Best Buy during my travels today and buy it.
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Who's credited as producer(s) on B&L, anyway?

The vocalist on "I Gotta Go" is a man who obviously remembers everything he ever learned young.  But where are the guitarists?  This is one of a few problems with the mix on the fast numbers, which is too hard-charging "raw" for the general good of the public.  Maybe next time just sling two mics over a rafter, or go back to Toshiba Studios. 

Are they better than they've been lately on record?  Yes.  But lately was 2005.  They sounded antiseptic and anodyne then, but the production on "Just Your Fool," "Commit a Crime," "I Gotta Go" and "Ride 'em on Down" is not an improvement, and speaks ill of Mark Knopfler's room.  They got it right on all the other ones, though - so the majority wins the decision.

The Guardian: 'And they do record on tape, Richards says. “This is not digital crap.” '  The trouble is, it's mixed so hot for the sake of "authenticity" that the fast numbers sound like what they were trying to avoid.    

Lossless rip now available on D****oid - so my earlier complaints are now updated.

P.S. - Mick, the B-stage is the place for a set of three of these songs, not the main stage where "Ride 'em on Down" was a wasted balls-up.  ("Here birdie!  Nice birdie!  Oh, well - on to the next...")



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Mark Knopflers studio / British Grove Studio's (and rooms) are of the best in the entire world. It was built from the ground up .. even with filtered power coming in from the street to present the very best in new, more cutting edge equipment and just as as well obtaining and still using the old gear. He purposefully has fully restored vintage consoles and new and old gear all in the same control room .. Some of the vintage gear is the only fully restored in England (I watched a show on the making of the studio).

The reason it sounds sort of loud and distorted without as much texture or depth on certain tracks is two fold.

The trade off is they wanted something sounded over driven and saturated such as the old blues albums often had. Second .. having it textured and with all the dynamics is great ... but for a blues album .. IT would get a little slow .. a little long .. a tad drawn out.

Having it loud and upfront on four tracks and on certain numbers keeps it from getting too drawn out (for the sake of any younger folks .. who may buy it?). Sure..there won't be many .. but it is what they are going for here.

Having it loud and distorted keeps it from getting too drawn out and slow .. It keeps it exciting where needed and also added that old school sound. This is why they chose that on certain tracks.

Remember.. it is still a product.. and I must say .. they did a fine job in satisfying the purists ... (as well as hoping to obtain a few curious newbies).

The song selection ... sound .. and vibe and everything about the album is a winner IMO .. (as well .. Jagger truly shines .. he not only shines .. he leads it).

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The trade off is they wanted something sounded over driven and saturated such as the old blues albums often had. Second .. having it textured and with all the dynamics is great ... but for a blues album .. IT would get a little slow .. a little long .. a tad drawn out.

Yes, but:

First, though recorded on tape in a great room, the mix and digital conversion make it sound exactly like what young people have been listening to since the 1990s - strained-sounding, brickwalled, over-loud noise.  The sound is passable on the slow songs, because there's more studio air between the instruments.  But the fast songs are more headache-y than anything Butch Vig ever invented for post-Punk torture purposes.  The sound they got on Some Girls would have sufficed.

Second, I agree that one wouldn't want a blues cover album to sound too precious (and I'm grateful that the dubbed sound of a phono stylus running out its groove isn't heard).  However, you can find tons of great blues albums - made on the cheap in the 1950s and 1960s by engineers and producers with no care for the artists or product - that sound less fatiguing and more inviting.

And, as I pointed out in my first point, the fact that the sound is fatiguing makes the 12 songs - one over five minutes long, and too much covered in Rock - seem "drawn out," even at under 43 minutes' total time.

Last, the vocals-and-harmonica-on-top mix is overdone and deleterious on "I Gotta Go" - allegedly featuring Eric Clapton, but who knows, because the guitars are so subdued in the mix that Jagger might as well be backed by only bass and percussion.  Compare this to any Muddy Waters or early Stones blues - the competing versions of "I Just Want to Make Love to You" will do - and you can see that aiming for the dynamics of a cheapie blues record is to aim lower than Muddy, and to make the guitars vanish as they never did on a Chess album, or on any Stones record.  Don Was is nuts for letting them put this mix out.  Were the engineers smarter at Regent Sound Studios, 1964?

Speaking of white boys, and white producers, the first two J. Geils Band records were recorded better, without any noticable overthinking, and they still came off like records in the blues tradition.  In the case of this "one-take" Blue and Lonesome, all the overthinking went into attempting analog authenticity within the digital aesthetic.

Is Blue and Lonesome a good record?  Yes.

Is it painful to listen to?  Yes.

Jagger to the LA Times: “That’s the essence of some of those Chess songs,” he added. “You can make counter-arguments — that Hubert Sumlin jumps out of some of those Howlin’ Wolf records. But on a lot of them you can’t discern who’s playing what or what kind of instrument it is until you really listen.

“My thinking on the mixing of it was to re-create some of those things,” he said. “You’re hearing the sound of a band; sometimes you can’t figure out if it’s Keith or Ron who’s playing the solo, or who’s playing the rhythm part. It’s not a wide stereo — it’s a very narrow stereo, and with the amount of distortion it sounds like this one ball of fire.”

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The trade off is they wanted something sounded over driven and saturated such as the old blues albums often had. Second .. having it textured and with all the dynamics is great ... but for a blues album .. IT would get a little slow .. a little long .. a tad drawn out.

Yes, but:

First, though recorded on tape in a great room, the mix and digital conversion make it sound exactly like what young people have been listening to since the 1990s - strained-sounding, brickwalled, over-loud noise.  The sound is passable on the slow songs, because there's more studio air between the instruments.  But the fast songs are more headache-y than anything Butch Vig ever invented for post-Punk torture purposes.  The sound they got on Some Girls would have sufficed.

Second, I agree that one wouldn't want a blues cover album to sound too precious (and I'm grateful that the dubbed sound of a phono stylus running out its groove isn't heard).  However, you can find tons of great blues albums - made on the cheap in the 1950s and 1960s by engineers and producers with no care for the artists or product - that sound less fatiguing and more inviting.

And, as I pointed out in my first point, the fact that the sound is fatiguing makes the 12 songs - one over five minutes long, and too much covered in Rock - seem "drawn out," even at under 43 minutes' total time.

Last, the vocals-and-harmonica-on-top mix is overdone and deleterious on "I Gotta Go" - allegedly featuring Eric Clapton, but who knows, because the guitars are so subdued in the mix that Jagger might as well be backed by only bass and percussion.  Compare this to any Muddy Waters or early Stones blues - the competing versions of "I Just Want to Make Love to You" will do - and you can see that aiming for the dynamics of a cheapie blues record is to aim lower than Muddy, and to make the guitars vanish as they never did on a Chess album, or on any Stones record.  Don Was is nuts for letting them put this mix out.  Were the engineers smarter at Regent Sound Studios, 1964?

Speaking of white boys, and white producers, the first two J. Geils Band records were recorded better, without any noticable overthinking, and they still came off like records in the blues tradition.  In the case of this "one-take" Blue and Lonesome, all the overthinking went into attempting analog authenticity within the digital aesthetic.

Is Blue and Lonesome a good record?  Yes.

Is it painful to listen to?  Yes.

Jagger to the LA Times: “That’s the essence of some of those Chess songs,” he added. “You can make counter-arguments — that Hubert Sumlin jumps out of some of those Howlin’ Wolf records. But on a lot of them you can’t discern who’s playing what or what kind of instrument it is until you really listen.

“My thinking on the mixing of it was to re-create some of those things,” he said. “You’re hearing the sound of a band; sometimes you can’t figure out if it’s Keith or Ron who’s playing the solo, or who’s playing the rhythm part. It’s not a wide stereo — it’s a very narrow stereo, and with the amount of distortion it sounds like this one ball of fire.”

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Totally agree. The song selection is good, Mick Jagger is fucking awesone on every track, but the album as a whole is not a pleasant listening experience.

It sounds too loud, too distorted and lacks dynamics. Also, IMO Mick's vocals have too much reverb on it. Never really liked reverb in excess.

This could've been much better with the right production.

Anyway, I'm glad we got a new album, even though it's a cover record.
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