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“What rap did that was impressive was to show there are so many tone-deaf people out there,” he says. “All they need is a drum beat and somebody yelling over it and they’re happy. There’s an enormous market for people who can’t tell one note from another.” - Keef
 
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Yay Trump supporters... Thanks for making racism great again!

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Yay Trump supporters... Thanks for making racism great again!



Whether you realize it or not, that idea/belief/mindset/allegation you just expressed is a large part of why we ended up with a nutcase like Trump as president to begin with.  There are all kinds and varying degrees of racism, very few people believe they are racists, and none of them like being told they are being racist, especially by people who appear biased, can't acknowledge clear facts or another person's real experiences.  Just moof for thought.
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sirmoonie wrote on Aug 15th, 2017 at 7:48pm:
Pdog wrote on Aug 15th, 2017 at 6:13pm:
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Whether you realize it or not, that idea/belief/mindset/allegation you just expressed is a large part of why we ended up with a nutcase like Trump as president to begin with.  There are all kinds and varying degrees of racism, very few people believe they are racists, and none of them like being told they are being racist, especially by people who appear biased, can't acknowledge clear facts or another person's real experiences.  Just moof for thought.


Moonpie...you go from glorifying Trump to saying he's a nut case. Welcome to the bewildered middle.
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" Not Worth Watching Unless Nicole is On .
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This was a great show.
Now, Joe's never on the set, always a remote and if it's just Mika, well she just can't carry the show.
Why don't they just get married and retire.
Do us a favor please and replace Mika with Nicole .
But there's a problem that they both have contracts and get "free" money. They do nothing anymore for what was a loyal audience.
I'm moving on to CNN unless Nicole Wallace is on this show five days a week  .
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Mica ( ' sic ' )  and Joe are constantly talking at the same time or interupting each other. It is becoming unbearable. Guests often look embarrassed and are reluctant to say anything. The show is becoming hard to watch. It's almost childish. Please stop! Oh , and replace Mica ( ' sic ' ) with Nicole Wallace .  "
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gimmekeef wrote on Aug 15th, 2017 at 8:37pm:
sirmoonie wrote on Aug 15th, 2017 at 7:48pm:
Pdog wrote on Aug 15th, 2017 at 6:13pm:
Yay Trump supporters... Thanks for making racism great again!



Whether you realize it or not, that idea/belief/mindset/allegation you just expressed is a large part of why we ended up with a nutcase like Trump as president to begin with.  There are all kinds and varying degrees of racism, very few people believe they are racists, and none of them like being told they are being racist, especially by people who appear biased, can't acknowledge clear facts or another person's real experiences.  Just moof for thought.


Moonpie...you go from glorifying Trump to saying he's a nut case. Welcome to the bewildered middle.




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gimmekeef wrote on Aug 11th, 2017 at 8:53am:
So after 11 days our "fearless" leader finally comments on Putin's expulsion of 775 US Diplomats in Moscow. Does he support those folks or show any outrage? Nope....Thanks his Master for saving us money. In fact it will cost millions to relocate these folks and they remain on the US payroll. Had Obama been so flippant and stupid The House would draft articles on impeachment in about 5 minutes.

When is enough of this incompetency? The country voted for change to the right  but surely not for a joke.


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" Soften the Tone and Harden Our Defenses "


" Trump can solve the North Korea crisis by pressuring China and rebuilding the U.S. military at last.  "

By Mark Helprin




" The North Korean nuclear crisis can be defused peacefully and to America’s advantage if its elements are perceived with strategic clarity, and if U.S. leaders recognize that diplomacy depends less upon signals than upon maneuver.

Kim Jong Un is not entirely irrational. The purpose of his nuclear program is not to court annihilation but to deter American military options on the Korean Peninsula and change the correlation of forces in his favor. North Korea created chemical and biological arsenals that effectively neutralized American tactical nuclear weapons and led to their withdrawal. What we see now is an amplification of that strategy, with the object of eventually driving American forces from Korea.

It is extremely unlikely that Mr. Kim would strike, if at all, before his nuclear forces have matured in numbers and reliability. Relatively few of his delivery systems or miniaturized warheads have been extensively tested. Nor have they been proven to work together. And the U.S. and Japan have multiple layers of midcourse and terminal-phase missile defenses.

Thus, time remains to set in motion options on the escalation ladder between the fatal extremes of either doing nothing or taking precipitous military action. The problem is that these opportunities have not been exploited, the focus having been too much on Pyongyang rather than on Beijing, which can both completely shut down the North Korean economy and credibly threaten military intervention.

To the extent that China is shifting, it is because it fears a war on its border, understands what such a war would do to its own and the world’s economy, fears even more that Japan and South Korea might develop nuclear deterrents, and sees that its nuclear calculus has been disrupted by the Thaad radar’s ability to enhance American missile defense via forwarding data on Chinese missile launches in boost phase.

But this is not enough. As the late U.S. ambassador to China James Lilley said: “You won’t get anything from them unless you squeeze them.” In view of America’s disappearing red lines, repeated nuclear capitulations to North Korea and Iran, the largely substanceless “pivot” to Asia, and our passivity in the South China Sea, China will wait to see if we fold.

To date, the Trump administration has failed to apply the kind of intermediate measures on the escalation ladder that are outlined below. It needs to understand that China is watching and waiting, and that absent either overwhelming military superiority or a vast store of credibility—neither of which we now possess—a diplomacy primarily of signals will not produce results. In addition, the Trump administration may think that Pyongyang is too important for Beijing to “abandon.” True, North Korea serves as a “fleet in being” for China, tying down U.S. forces and ready to supply another front to divide them in case of war elsewhere, but now conditions are sufficiently dangerous and different that China can be stimulated to reassess.

That is, if the U.S. takes previously neglected measures to respond to China’s military rise, protect our Asian allies, and guard international waters from maritime irredentism.

The president can switch from tough-guy talk to going before a joint session of Congress to ask for an emergency increase in funding to correct the longstanding degradation of American military power. He can say that the can has been kicked down the road far too long, and the buck stops with him. If Congress responds enthusiastically, as it should, China, Russia, North Korea, and Iran will see that the giant has awakened, and the funding will make possible what follows:

• Given the immense distances across the Pacific, American conventional military leverage and deterrence vis-à-vis China depend entirely upon bases in South Korea, Japan, and Guam. These bases are insufficiently hardened against attack by China’s many intermediate-range ballistic missiles, air-launched cruise missiles, and bombers. Munitions bunkers and aircraft are ranged in tight rows rather than scattered in deep, underground, highly fortified shelters. Given the wingspans and tail heights of B-52s and C-17s, these would be immensely expensive, but war is much more so in every respect.

• Now that the U.S. may soon be threatened by a rogue regime’s ICBMs, a vigorous acceleration of every aspect of ballistic-missile defense is warranted. This will protect against Iran and North Korea, promote uncertainty and hesitation in mature powers’ calculation of their nuclear thresholds, and reduce the chances of a first strike against the U.S. by protecting its retaliatory capacities.

• The F-22—slated for 750 copies but reduced to 187; much faster than the F-35, with almost twice the range and more than twice the armament—is essential in the vast expanses of the Western Pacific. But it was taken out of production not that long ago when the Obama administration believed that security situations such as we now face were inconceivable. Restoring production lines, at a cost of one-tenth the AIG bailout, would exert priceless influence upon China.

• Nothing would rivet China’s attention more than if the U.S. formally announced that absent the abolition of North Korea’s nuclear capacity it would look with favor upon and assist with a Japanese and/or South Korean nuclear deterrent, and then established a commission for this purpose. So as to de-link North Korea from the South China Sea, the U.S. should at this point make clear to China that it is weighing supply of coastal anti-shipping missiles to the Philippines and Vietnam. Establishing such a gauntlet to preserve sovereign rights and freedom of navigation is long overdue.

These maneuvers well short of war can rebalance power, instill caution, and stabilize the increasingly volatile Western Pacific, as well as contribute to stability elsewhere. A cost-benefit analysis objectively applied will so depress the value to China of a rogue North Korea that China should find common ground with us in coordinating action and point of view. The choice need not be between capitulation and war, silence and bluster. But only if the United States decides upon carrying a bigger stick and speaking more softly.  "
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" Trump’s China Trade Sally "

" Beijing steals U.S. business IP, but tariffs could backfire. "

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" Donald Trump’s trade policy has been more measured than his campaign rhetoric, but on Monday he ramped up the pressure on China by ordering an investigation into its rampant theft of intellectual property from U.S. firms. The danger is that the stick the President is brandishing, Section 302(b) of the Trade Act of 1974, could harm efforts to open markets to American goods.

Mr. Trump is right that China is breaking the promises it made to enter the World Trade Organization in 2001. Instead of embracing freer trade, the country has turned in the direction of import-substitution under current leader Xi Jinping and predecessor Hu Jintao.

The “Made in China 2025” program that Mr. Xi started in 2015 aims to boost the Chinese-made content of manufactured products to 70% within eight years. It also calls for China to become the leader in 10 industries through state investment and closing off its market to foreign companies. The Obama Administration released a damning report in January on China’s mercantilist strategy to dominate the global semiconductor industry—to pick one example of the squeeze Beijing puts on U.S. companies.

China’s developed-country trading partners are united in believing that these practices are unacceptable, and Beijing has retreated somewhat in response to criticism. But history suggests it will continue to pressure auto makers and technology firms to hand over cutting-edge technology to the government and joint-venture partners.


The problem is that Section 302(b) is a blunderbuss weapon that could backfire because it allows the U.S. executive to play judge, jury and executioner, and take any action the President deems appropriate. In the 1980s the Reagan Administration used tariffs to counter Japan’s nontariff barriers and a rising bilateral trade deficit. Instead of opening Japan’s markets, the U.S. and Tokyo settled for managed trade in the likes of semiconductors, which divvied up market share and kept prices higher than they should have been.

That outcome was due in part to the lack of a binding mechanism to force Japan to follow international trade law. The conflicts of that era led to the 1995 creation of the WTO along with an appellate division that decides when countries have broken their treaty obligations.

So what would happen now if the Trump Administration raised duties on Chinese goods? First, Beijing could pose as the victim and bring the U.S. to the WTO. If the dispute escalated, companies on both sides would lose opportunities, consumers would pay more and the economies would slow down.

The conflict would also erode respect for the rules-based WTO system, which could work to China’s advantage. Beijing could use its position as the leading trade partner of East Asian nations to cement its pre-eminence in the region and marginalize the U.S. America’s trading relationships with allies would suffer. The U.S. thus has a strong interest in maintaining the rules-based trading system it helped to build.

The flip side of China’s trade surplus is the need to invest in foreign assets, and Beijing wants to diversify from U.S. Treasurys. The Trump Administration is rightly emphasizing reciprocal treatment, and regulations give it the power to hold up Chinese investment, especially in fields using advanced technology.

That suggests a more WTO-compliant way to retaliate if Beijing continues to restrict the ability of American companies to invest in China. If the U.S. and other developed countries work together on this issue, they can insist that Beijing follows the trade law it signed up to.

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" The Politics of Pointlessness "

" Charlottesville may be a prototype of a politics drifting away from normalcy.  "




By Daniel Henninger




" Charlottesville was a warning. The warning is that America’s politics is steadily disconnecting from reality. Our politics is starting to seem psychotic.

Generally people get into politics to accomplish something concrete or achievable—the passage of a piece of legislation or of identifiable public policies whose purpose is to make things better. In a word, progress.


The right and the left have disagreed for centuries on what works, but they at least shared a belief that the point of their political activity was to accomplish something real.

Charlottesville was a political riot. Is Charlottesville the future?

Some may say the Charlottesville riot was the lunatic fringe of the right and left, with no particular relevance to what falls in between. But I think Charlottesville may be a prototype of a politics that is drifting away from traditional norms of behavior and purpose.


Street protest has become the politics du jour. Groups form constantly in the streets to chant slogans. America’s campuses live amid perpetual protest.

The protests no doubt are based in belief or sentiment of some sort, but it is more often than not difficult to recognize any political goal normally associated with conservatism, liberalism or progressivism. Much of it looks like acting out or pleas for attention.

In January the weekend that Donald Trump was inaugurated, I watched a group of protesters sit down and block traffic at a main intersection in Santa Barbara, Calif. It seemed like a play date. The cops watched like bemused adults.

Charlottesville wasn’t a play date. It was a pitched battle between two organized mobs—the white nationalist groups on the right and the badly underreported Antifa, or “antifascist,” groups on the hard-as-stone left. Stories about Antifa’s organized violence are trickling out now, but there is no conceivable journalistic defense for having waited so long to inform the public about this dangerous movement.

The phenomenon that enables politics without purpose is the internet. It is the group-organizing tool for psychologically disassociated young people on the left and on the right, like James Alex Fields Jr. , who allegedly drove his car into a crowd, killing Heather Heyer. She won’t be the last casualty.

Mr. Fields makes me think of the lone-wolf jihadists here and in Europe who explode out of the general population in a homicidal rage. These are people who sit endlessly in front of a computer screen, brainwashing themselves with online propaganda until they snap to make a “political statement.” The internet—websites, social media, message boards—is elevating political paranoia and delegitimizing normal politics.

Earlier this week, Britain’s head of counterterrorism policing, Mark Rowley, described the new reality: “What we’re wrestling with today is something which is more of a cultish movement where they are putting out propaganda and saying ‘anybody and everybody, act in our name and you’re part of our terrorist campaign.’ ”

But, the argument goes, these behavioral extremes have no relevance to or effect on the rest of public life. I’m not so sure. There have been a series of events lately that suggest the most basic requirements of intellectual or political seriousness are losing ground inside institutions that once provided ballast against the extremes.

The Google firing of James Damore was one of these big events. Its meaning was that the goal of diversity, whatever its original intent, has become mostly a totem. Mr. Damore was the little boy in the folk tale “The Emperor’s New Clothes,” who shouts, “But he doesn’t have anything on!” Google’s emperors banished James Damore for unmasking their diversity conceit.

Also certain to enter the era’s annals of anti-politics is the Republican party’s health-care meltdown.

All the endless hours that pour into political organizing, fundraising and campaigning are meant to win elections and then exercise political power. After winning control of Congress in the 2016 election, Republicans degenerated into what was essentially a traffic-blocking protest—against their own majority!

A young person new to politics and paying attention to what the Republicans did with ObamaCare reform, or to the Democrats’ content-free “resistance,” could reasonably conclude Congress is no longer about politics, but about something else. TV face-time or maybe Twitter , but not politics.

Traditional politics is being overtaken by a cult of self-referencing. From the nonstop street protests to what is going on in Washington—everything now is just a selfie.

Amid this torrent, an odd paradox emerges: People are consuming more content and detail about politics than ever, and more people than ever are saying, “I have no idea what is going on.” Someone is at fault here, and it is not the confused absorbers of information.

Charlottesville is being pounded into the national psyche this week as a paroxysm of white nationalism. On current course, the flight from politics is going to look like rational behavior. "
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Circling the Square of President Trump’s Relationship With Race



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Other than his "birther" witch hunt I have serious doubts you could legitimately call Trump a racist. Now incompetent fool certainly cant be taken off the table.
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The real racist Bannon just quit...or was shoved out..good riddance
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Trump's approval rating amongst blacks is higher than any president since Abraham Lincoln.  He's still not doing well with Jews, though, despite his efforts to bring blacks and Jews together and settle their significant dislike of each other.  But he's working on it, which is more than can be said for most.
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Trump's approval rating amongst blacks is higher than any president since Abraham Lincoln.  He's still not doing well with Jews, though, despite his efforts to bring blacks and Jews together and settle their significant dislike of each other.  But he's working on it, which is more than can be said for most.


Gotta call bullshit on that Moonpie.....Higher than Obama's???
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sirmoonie wrote on Aug 18th, 2017 at 2:42pm:
Trump's approval rating amongst blacks is higher than any president since Abraham Lincoln.  He's still not doing well with Jews, though, despite his efforts to bring blacks and Jews together and settle their significant dislike of each other.  But he's working on it, which is more than can be said for most.


Gotta call bullshit on that Moonpie.....Higher than Obama's???


What stats are you looking at?  Ihateamericaandlovefakenews.com?  Stats don't lie.  They never EVER lie. Calling it like I see it.  Make hay while the sun shines.  Lead a horse to water.  Penny wise, fish foolish.

Anyway, Obama was not popular with Asians.  Terrible ratings amongst Asians.  Trump does great with Asians because of the whole Peking thing.
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I'll be perfectly honest here - I don't believe there is such a thing as bad acid.  Acid is acid.  There is no acid that chemically geared towards an unpleasant time.

Also, racism rates are rising among Fat-Americans.  The vice-versalize is true as well, meaning fat rates are falling among non-racist Americans - non-racists are getting fatter at a slower rate of fatness than racist-Americans.  So your TARI (Temporally Adjusted Racist Index) depends heavily on whether you self-identify as fat or not.
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Reply #1948 - Aug 19th, 2017 at 12:07am
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I don't understand angry, rich people.  If I was a white billionaire, I would retire and go on vacation!  Go stay in some fancy hotel and order room service and champagne!  Then, go soak in a hot tub and get a long, relaxing massage!  Why deal with all this stress, when you don't have to?
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Re: Politics thread (ssc!!)
Reply #1949 - Aug 19th, 2017 at 4:54am
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So I was sleeping and I woke up, and Donald Trumbo was president. What happened? I watched that film: Trumbo. It made me very happy, and that's all that I needed to know.
Anyhow, my penis is growing hard, sometimes, at night. And not because of anything in particular; my doctor tells me that I am fine, and that I should, I quote, "never call him again late at night." I quote: "Never."
Sorry, I was digressing: If this thread is because of Donald Trumbo, my next morning will be the best morning ever. I just hope there will be many more inspiring days. I am praying right now. For you and you and you.
The Bono puts his stamp in favour of Donald Trumbo, tha writer of Spartacus, and all the little people.
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