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This could be the end of the Trump administration.  His egomania and buffoonery may have back-ass-whacked on his fans, who were long on outrage, fish in the mouth.  Many Trump fans are torn between love of J. Christ and love of Don Trump.  This is an unsettling time, all the charges, while Trump blows the bugle of boof ever louder.  What's wrong with that guy?  He seems nuts.

What DID the President "know" and WHEN did Him "know" it?

If winning isn't everything, then why did god call it "the human RACE?"

If you're going to lie to a federal agency, make it the DEA.  You do NOT lie to the FBI.  They will JACK you up Pomeranian style.  The FBI will FUCK you up.  Fuck you up bad, man.

My advice, do not lie to the FBI.  Lie to the goddam DEA.  Those guys suck dick.  But you do not lie to the FBI.  I can't be clearer on that.

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Edith Grove wrote on Dec 1st, 2017 at 5:02pm:
sirmoonie wrote on Dec 1st, 2017 at 4:43pm:
What's going?  We need to ramp up, and get down.


https://youtu.be/Ggl72wOwoQE


You laugh, but I'm telling you, you do not mess with the goddam FBI.  These Manaforts and Kellys and this poncey looking Kushner guy, are playing with molten piss.  The FBI has a memory like a salmon.  You do not fuck withe the FBI, lest you get powerized.  The have an array of correctional institutions.  They have the Leavenworths.  They have the Marions.  They have the Florence Supermaxes.  They have the Lompocs.  They have an array of facilities to incarcerate.  They got federal marshalls flying all over the goddam country, shackling people in orange jumpsuits.  They have The Power, and until they no longer have it, I would not fuck with the FBI.  The revolution will NOT be televised.
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Now that Cheech and Chong are here, this is to say hi to the bitch Donald Trump

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Trump blows the bugle of boof ever louder.


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https://www.wsj.com/articles/when-democrats-backed-tax-cuts-1512086850







" When Democrats Backed Tax Cuts "

" In 2001, Bush won support from a dozen of them in the Senate and 28 in the House. "




By Kimberley A. Strassel


" Democrats have a lot to say about the Republican tax-reform plan, including that it is a “middle class con job” and is going to cost the GOP its congressional majorities. That’s quite the bold claim, coming from the party that is in fact in uncharted tax-politics territory.

Americans have short political memories, which means it is no longer possible to remember a world in which Democrats didn’t hate tax cuts. And in the mainstream media—which shares the left’s penchant for class warfare—it’s also no longer possible to read an analysis that doesn’t assume Democrats are on the right side of history, that these tax cuts are “unpopular,” and that this reform holds grave political risks for Republicans.

Based on what? Democrats certainly have no modern evidence of these propositions, since they’ve never uniformly opposed tax cuts. In fact, it’s been 16 years since the party even engaged in a big tax brawl, during George W. Bush’s first year as president. What’s striking is just how many Democrats enthusiastically signed on to Mr. Bush’s tax bill, and just how far off the political rails the party has gone in the intervening years.

While the Bush tax package was hardly as sweeping as today’s reform, it contained similar provisions. It cut marginal rates across the board, even knocking nearly 5 points off the top marginal rate for the 1%. It cut capital-gains taxes and lowered the estate tax to zero in 2010, before the reductions expired. These are all cuts that House and Senate Democrats today uniformly decry as giveaways to the rich and powerful.

Yet back then, nobody doubted some Democrats would support the legislation. Republicans barely commanded a Senate majority, with just 50 Senate votes, yet the tax-cut train rolled unswervingly on. Ultimately, 12 Senate Democrats voted yes. Some of these were moderate Democrats, a species that is now all but extinct— John Breaux of Louisiana, Blanche Lincoln of Arkansas, Mary Landrieu of Louisiana, Tim Johnson of South Dakota. But the ayes also included Dianne Feinstein from California and Bob Torricelli from New Jersey.

Also notable were the two Senate Democrats who voted “present” and the five who skipped the vote—presumably not wanting to upset their progressive base but equally fearing retribution from nonideological tax-cut-loving Americans. In the end, only 31 Democrats voted against the cuts. In the House, 28 Democrats supported the bill, from states that included New York, California, Michigan, Minnesota, Oregon and Washington. Twenty-nine House Democrats didn’t vote.

Some in the press are making the laughable argument that these “yes” votes were responsible for the 2002 Senate defeats of Georgia’s Max Cleland and Missouri’s Jean Carnahan. In reality, those races hinged on Mr. Cleland’s national-security views and Mrs. Carnahan’s inexperience. The more illustrative cases are Ms. Landrieu and Mr. Johnson, Democrats who used their tax-cut votes to hold their seats narrowly in what was otherwise a rocking year for Republicans. To the extent their votes were used against them, it was only by other Democrats who tried purging the party of moderates.

Polls show that significant majorities of Americans love the idea of tax reform in general. These are more reliable indicators of public sentiment than the recent spate of media polls that show opposition to these specific Republican plans—and that reflect a lot of bogus analysis and scare tactics. What will matter to Republicans is the money Americans will ultimately find in their pockets, and the boost tax reform will give the economy and wages and jobs. Nor should they underestimate the delight many voters will experience from a vastly simplified tax process.

In short, there is very little to suggest Democrats benefit politically from sitting out this tax debate—beyond their saying so. And they’ve certainly done themselves no favors from a policy perspective. Had they been willing to negotiate, they likely could have spared their high-tax states the new limits that are coming on state and local tax deductions. They might have limited cuts to, or bracket expansions of, the top personal rate—given that President Trump is himself squishy on that issue. They might have increased the tax penalty on companies that are repatriating money from overseas. They might have killed a provision that will finally allow drilling in the Arctic National Wildlife Refuge—included to court the vote of Alaska Sen. Lisa Murkowski. Instead, they’ve got bupkus.


It’s no surprise, then, that Democrats are working so hard to recast the tax narrative in their favor. Republican fortunes aside, the question is whether a modern, progressive Democratic Party just committed an epic policy and political blunder—one they’ll have to live with for a decade. "

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sirmoonie wrote on Dec 1st, 2017 at 5:53pm:
Edith Grove wrote on Dec 1st, 2017 at 5:02pm:
sirmoonie wrote on Dec 1st, 2017 at 4:43pm:
What's going?  We need to ramp up, and get down.


https://youtu.be/Ggl72wOwoQE


You laugh, but I'm telling you, you do not mess with the goddam FBI.  These Manaforts and Kellys and this poncey looking Kushner guy, are playing with molten piss.  The FBI has a memory like a salmon.  You do not fuck withe the FBI, lest you get powerized.  The have an array of correctional institutions.  They have the Leavenworths.  They have the Marions.  They have the Florence Supermaxes.  They have the Lompocs.  They have an array of facilities to incarcerate.  They got federal marshalls flying all over the goddam country, shackling people in orange jumpsuits.  They have The Power, and until they no longer have it, I would not fuck with the FBI.  The revolution will NOT be televised.






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" Taxes: What Would Jesus Do? "

" The Senate’s six apostles can choose between Caesar and economic opportunity. "



By Daniel Henninger


" Jesus Christ could count himself lucky that for the completion of his earthly mission he had the 12 apostles and not the 52 Republican members of the U.S. Senate.

Imagine: The Lord tells Lazarus to walk from his tomb, and the apostle Bob, the first fiscal hawk, objects that if Jesus continues raising people from the dead, the unplanned population growth will blow out Judea’s deficit. Apostle Bob says he won’t go along without a hard cap on resurrections.

The Lord reminds the apostles of how he fed the multitudes with the miracle of the loaves and the fishes. Forget it, says the apostle Jeff. Unconstrained loaf-and-fish division will create a culture of entitlement. Apostle Jeff says he’s leaving.

Angered, Jesus threatens to drive the money changers from the temple. You’re wasting your energy, says the apostle Ron, an accountant before joining the discipleship. Ron explains to the Lord that the money changers are pass-through entities who are withholding their support until Jesus extracts equal tax treatment for them from King Herod.

Susan of Magdalen says she’s having doubts about the entire messianic enterprise. Unless the Lord creates high-risk pools for endangered Christians, she’s withdrawing her support.

Defeated by a determined minority of his apostles, Jesus abruptly announces his retirement and returns home to the family carpentry business in Galilee.

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We won’t know anytime soon what Jesus would think of the Republicans’ tax bill, so we’ll default to guessing at the second-best opinion: the American people’s.

Watching the current debate, what many of them think is that the Republican tax bill is about the swamp, because this is what the swamp does—bog down in Washington’s unfathomable arcana and produce clouds of gas.

The Senate Republicans, to the last man and woman, say they are doing this tax reform to “lift the economy,” but when is the last time one heard any of them, especially the six doubters, explain what that means in the real world most voters inhabit?

The swath of the electorate whose view of the Republican tax effort intrigues me the most is the group that has the least experience with the tax system but a lot to gain from a new one—millennials.

Wind the clock back to 2008, when Barack Obama was elected and when people now in their 20s were between 10 and 18 years old.

The only economy they’ve lived with is the weak one the Obama years produced. Many of them overheard parents or grandparents talking about how, year after year, the annual pay raise didn’t amount to squat, so the budget belt had to be tightened again.

Or they wondered through the second Obama term who would hire them out of college. It is no surprise—though it is a stunning and pathetic indictment of the U.S. economy in our time—that so many of these millennials concluded that batty Bernie Sanders’s socialism made sense.

Why shouldn’t they? They’ve never lived inside the sort of exciting, upward-moving economy their elders enjoyed in the 1960s, ’80s or ’90s. Absent real economic opportunity for eight years, the default option has skipped past Democratic liberalism to socialism.

If it’s OK with six Republican senators, the tax bill would attempt an alternative to that. It will drop the corporate tax rate to 20% from 35%, allow immediate expensing for new capital investments, and return to the U.S. several trillion dollars in profits held overseas to avoid that 35% tax rate.

The purpose of these reductions in taxation is to create incentives for companies or individuals to invest in business expansions, which in time will require paying higher wages to attract workers.

Democrats who know better, such as Chuck Schumer, and newspaper pundits in the progressive resistance dismiss this as “tax cuts for corporations and the wealthy.” Not even Elizabeth Warren believes this hooey.

Procter & Gamble, the very model of a U.S. corporation, employs about 95,000 people. I’m going to guess that maybe 90,000 of them support middle-class families, directly or indirectly, with what P&G pays them.

This reality of sustaining the American middle class is repeated with all the U.S. corporations everyone knows, the companies no one’s ever heard of, and the new companies entrepreneurs will create to support more families if six senators let this tax bill pass.

What would Jesus do? He had a thought: “Render to Caesar the things that are Caesar’s, and to God the things that are God’s.” My biblical translation is that Jesus set the terms of the debate between the claims of the state and the spiritual and daily life of the people.

The Democratic Party refuses to participate in legislating the bill because its tax collections for the state are insufficient. That is who they are and will be, permanently.

The Republicans are set to choose: Become Caesar’s footmen if they fail, or creators of opportunity—if the six doubting apostles don’t flee into the Beltway desert.  "
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Joey wrote on Dec 2nd, 2017 at 9:36am:
sirmoonie wrote on Dec 1st, 2017 at 5:53pm:
Edith Grove wrote on Dec 1st, 2017 at 5:02pm:
[quote author=2E342F3032323334385D0 link=1469838685/2400#2400 date=1512168209]What's going?  We need to ramp up, and get down.


You laugh, but I'm telling you, you do not mess with the goddam FBI.  These Manaforts and Kellys and this poncey looking Kushner guy, are playing with molten piss.  The FBI has a memory like a salmon.  You do not fuck withe the FBI, lest you get powerized.  The have an array of correctional institutions.  They have the Leavenworths.  They have the Marions.  They have the Florence Supermaxes.  They have the Lompocs.  They have an array of facilities to incarcerate.  They got federal marshalls flying all over the goddam country, shackling people in orange jumpsuits.  They have The Power, and until they no longer have it, I would not fuck with the FBI.  The revolution will NOT be televised.


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" Taxes: What Would Jesus Do? "

" The Senate’s six apostles can choose between Caesar and economic opportunity. "




" Jesus Christ could count himself lucky that for the completion of his earthly mission he had the 12 apostles

Imagine: The Lord tells Lazarus to walk from his tomb, and the apostle Bob, the first fiscal hawk, objects that if Jesus continues raising people from the dead.

I have to be perfectly honest with you, Joe.  I'm starting to doubt that Don Trump was in fact sent by J. Christ to finally make America great.  Wouldn't J. Christ's emissary on earth have built the Wall of Freedom by now?  Hmmm?

And wouldn't the guy J. Christ wanted for President have had a bigger inauguration crowd?  I certainly hope so.  We didn't see the critical Christian mass one would have expected, if there were really divinity afoot.

And this Flynn, Manafort thing, and the Greek guy.  The Greek guy Narc'ed out on Manafort.  Now Flynn is turning Narc too.  There is no evidence in the Bible that J. Christ tolerated goddam Narcs.  To the contrary, look what Him did to Nebuchadnezzar and Judas.

I'm just starting to doubt this whole goddam platform on the Trump stuff.
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I'm just starting to doubt this whole goddam platform on the Trump stuff.


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I'm just starting to doubt this whole goddam platform on the Trump stuff.


Ye have little faith.


This Flynn guy used to lead crowds in "lock her up!" cheers.  Now he's going to be remanded to the custody of the U.S. Marshal resident in the Federal District Court for the District of Columbia.  He may even end up mopping slop buckets and dishing gruel at FCI Lompoc!  You think they are going to put him in FCI Butner with the Madoffs and the Jagoffs?  I don't think so.  Depends if his Narcs out that swish Kushner.  How is that consistent with J. Christ's teachings?  Fucking dropping the dime on people.  No way, man.  J. Christ was above all this.
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sirmoonie wrote on Dec 1st, 2017 at 5:53pm:
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[quote author=2E342F3032323334385D0 link=1469838685/2400#2400 date=1512168209]What's going?  We need to ramp up, and get down.


You laugh, but I'm telling you, you do not mess with the goddam FBI.  These Manaforts and Kellys and this poncey looking Kushner guy, are playing with molten piss.  The FBI has a memory like a salmon.  You do not fuck withe the FBI, lest you get powerized.  The have an array of correctional institutions.  They have the Leavenworths.  They have the Marions.  They have the Florence Supermaxes.  They have the Lompocs.  They have an array of facilities to incarcerate.  They got federal marshalls flying all over the goddam country, shackling people in orange jumpsuits.  They have The Power, and until they no longer have it, I would not fuck with the FBI.  The revolution will NOT be televised.


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" Taxes: What Would Jesus Do? "

" The Senate’s six apostles can choose between Caesar and economic opportunity. "




" Jesus Christ could count himself lucky that for the completion of his earthly mission he had the 12 apostles

Imagine: The Lord tells Lazarus to walk from his tomb, and the apostle Bob, the first fiscal hawk, objects that if Jesus continues raising people from the dead.

I have to be perfectly honest with you, Joe.  I'm starting to doubt that Don Trump was in fact sent by J. Christ to finally make America great.  Wouldn't J. Christ's emissary on earth have built the Wall of Freedom by now?  Hmmm?

And wouldn't the guy J. Christ wanted for President have had a bigger inauguration crowd?  I certainly hope so.  We didn't see the critical Christian mass one would have expected, if there were really divinity afoot.

And this Flynn, Manafort thing, and the Greek guy.  The Greek guy Narc'ed out on Manafort.  Now Flynn is turning Narc too.  There is no evidence in the Bible that J. Christ tolerated goddam Narcs.  To the contrary, look what Him did to Nebuchadnezzar and Judas.

I'm just starting to doubt this whole goddam platform on the Trump stuff.



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Sir Moonie     -----     If the United States of America launches a conventional military strike on North Korea it will be 1953 all over again . Stalemate .

1. ) Both China and Russia will ' Flip ' and support their fellow communist brethren .

2. ) Russia will grudgingly send in military aid and supplies to Kim Jong Un .

3. ) China will distribute plenty , PLENTY of money , hundreds of thousands of support troops , structural engineers , tarmac repair troops , etc ,   --- EXACTLY what they did during the Vietnam War . President Xi Jinping does not want Capitalism nor Democracy next to his border .


We , THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA  , must Nuke Kim before he Nukes America  .  Yes , We are THAT Close .



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I wish more British slang would enter the American vocabulary. "The Unpresidential Fart" is such a good nickname for Trump but only Brits get it. (Trump= fart, derived from trumpet, I'd surmise.)

Speaking of Brits, doesn't Boris Johnson look like Trump? Someone told me that I should consider immigrating to Britain and I thought that would be a brilliantly lateral move, going from Trumped America to Britain under Theresa Mayhem.





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What's going?  We need to ramp up, and get down.


https://youtu.be/Ggl72wOwoQE


You laugh, but I'm telling you, you do not mess with the goddam FBI.  These Manaforts and Kellys and this poncey looking Kushner guy, are playing with molten piss.  The FBI has a memory like a salmon.  You do not fuck withe the FBI, lest you get powerized.  The have an array of correctional institutions.  They have the Leavenworths.  They have the Marions.  They have the Florence Supermaxes.  They have the Lompocs.  They have an array of facilities to incarcerate.  They got federal marshalls flying all over the goddam country, shackling people in orange jumpsuits.  They have The Power, and until they no longer have it, I would not fuck with the FBI.  The revolution will NOT be televised.







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https://www.wsj.com/articles/the-death-of-self-restraint-1512602411




" The Death of Self-Restraint "

" Unless the culture’s critics get a hearing, the forces that led to Weinstein will win.  "





By Daniel Henninger







" The Harvey Weinstein sexual-harassment fire burns on, consuming famous men. Corporations and institutions are on automated rapid response: proclaim zero tolerance and throw offenders into the street, while directing human-resources departments to design fine-grained standards of acceptable behavior.

It would be a comfort to think that HR specialists could solve this problem, but what has gone wrong runs deeper than calling in the lawyers. A question persists: How did this happen?

How have so many intelligent, accomplished adult men crashed across the boundaries of sex? Psychiatric explanations—reducing cause to a uniquely individual neurosis—are insufficient. This isn’t just “really weird stuff.”

Some may have a distant memory of the culture wars of the 1990s. This looks like a moment to revisit some of its battlefields.

Incidents of sexual abuse on this scale don’t randomly erupt. They grow from the complex climate of a nation’s culture. These guys aren’t blips or outliers. These men are a product of their times.

Their acts reveal a collapse of self-restraint. That in turn suggests a broader evaporation of conscience, the sense that doing something is wrong. We are seeing now how wrongs can hurt others when conscience is demoted as a civilizing instrument of personal behavior.

Intellectuals have played a big role in shaping arguments for loosening the traditions of self-restraint in the realm, as they would say, of eros. In Oscar Wilde’s quip, “There is no sin except stupidity.”

There are in fact intellectuals who have watched these sexual passages with alarm and described how they were putting us on dangerous ground.

The definitive critical history of this moral transition is Rochelle Gurstein’s 1996 book, “The Repeal of Reticence.” Ms. Gurstein describes how “the sense of the sacred and the shameful” gradually declined across the 20th century as writers and artists rejected former ways of thinking about personal propriety or reticent behavior.

“They demanded,” she writes, “that the traditional union of moral and aesthetic judgment be dissolved; the functions of the body needed to be considered apart from the values of love, fidelity, chastity, modesty or shame.” The result, she says, was a culture’s slow but steady estrangement “from any coherent moral tradition.”

In his compelling history of pre-World War I Europe, “Rites of Spring,” the Canadian cultural historian Modris Eksteins similarly describes the emerging ethos: “Social and moral absolutes were thrown overboard, and art, or the aesthetic sense, became the issue of supreme importance because it would lead to freedom.”

After all these years, this debate seems old hat. Just now, though, it looks rather new hat.

One thing that happened gradually is sophisticated people simply refused to be shocked.

Just two years ago, the Metropolitan Opera staged Jacques Offenbach’s “The Tales of Hoffmann,” whose final act was described accurately to this audience member by the Huffington Post: “The Venetian palazzo in Act 3 is a model of debauchery with those same girls wearing next to nothing and who could double as pole dancers. An orgy of simulated sex is in progress.”

There was a time, not that long ago, when something like this would have caused a minor public stir. Not anymore. Today, no one reacts or even much cares.

So when one asks how these men could behave so boorishly and monstrously, one answer is that they . . . have . . . no . . . shame. They lived in a culture that had eliminated shame and behavioral boundaries.

Is there a road back from Weinsteinism? Once a society has crossed a Rubicon like this, can you ever cross back over? The possibility of return is not at all clear.

One of the intriguing stories of this season is how the Washington Metro system is banning ads on buses from the Roman Catholic Archdiocese of Washington that show shepherds on a hill beside the message, “Find the perfect gift.” The Metro says this violates its ban on promoting religion or religious belief.

During the culture wars of the ’80s and ’90s, one question raised was whether religious belief deserved standing in public debates about the shape and direction of contemporary American culture. Because the case for belief was carried then by the “religious right,” secularists resisted, and still do.

In a recent homily I heard, a priest suggested that one of the purposes of confession wasn’t just to admit sin but to learn conscience. Maybe it’s time to ask if the long period of freedom from organized conscience formation simply isn’t working.

The reason to reopen this debate isn’t merely so that dissenters from the current culture can say they were right. It looks like we’re pretty far beyond either side winning this argument. The reason to reconsider is that otherwise, the evident shock at these stories of abuse, or any progress toward a better sexual modus vivendi, will wash out to sea.

Unless the critics of the current culture get a good-faith hearing, the forces that led to Harvey Weinstein and the others are going to win.  "
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