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How the Rolling Stones Found “Satisfaction”


“It did not have to happen. If it had not been written and recorded when it was, who knows? It prevented us from being just another good band with a nice run.”

By Rich Cohen



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From left to right, Brian Jones, Bill Wyman, Mick Jagger, and Charlie Watts, and (seated) Keith Richards of the Rolling Stones, circa 1965.
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Excerpted from The Sun & the Moon & the Rolling Stones by Rich Cohen. Out now from Spiegel & Grau.

You can get very blasé about a song like “Satisfaction.” It’s been around forever, was written and recorded so long ago, has been played on so many radios so many millions of times, it vanishes. You don’t think about it, maybe get tired of talking about it. But it was not inevitable. It did not have to happen. If it had not been written and recorded when it was, who knows? It prevented us from being just another good band with a nice run. That big early hit is essential. You might have a lot of success without it, sell a lot of records, but you won’t get over. “Satisfaction” did that for us. You absolutely need that one song.

This was Mick Jagger talking circa 1998. I was trailing him, taking in every word and gesture in a vain attempt to unlock the mystery.

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Jagger and Keith Richards were under tremendous pressure on the road. Between shows, they were expected to write the hits that kept everything going. “We traveled at night,” Gered Mankowitz told me. “They’d come off the stage, go into the limo and straight to the airport. We’d fly until 2, 3, 4 a.m., check into some dump. Nobody to welcome us. Nothing open. No food. Deadsville. The bulk of the tour was like that. You do the show, you’re gone. And in all the between times, Mick and Keith were working. They had orders to come up with material. And struggled because the schedule wasn’t conducive. But they pushed through, taking down the ideas whenever they came. You’d see them all the time, jotting little notes throughout the tour.”

When it wasn’t working, it was pain. When it was working, it was pleasure. Prizing a song from the void. Summoning a melody from nonexistence. If a Stones song begins as a riff, where does the riff come from? It’s a mystery. In the case of “Satisfaction,” it happened while Richards was asleep. Reports have placed the dreamer, variously, at a hotel in America, a house in Chelsea, or the London Hilton. In Life, Richards says he was at his flat on Carlton Hill, in St. John’s Wood.

I sleep with an inhaler and a glass of water at my side. My son sleeps with a stuffed seal named Sealy. Richards sleeps with an acoustic guitar and a Philips tape recorder. One morning, in 1965, he noticed the guitar had been moved, the recorder turned on. Examining more closely, he saw that someone had recorded over the entire tape. When he rewound and pressed play, he heard his own guitar being picked up and played. Five notes: second fret on the A string played twice slowly, once quickly, followed by the fourth and fifth fret on the A string. Baa-Baa Ba-Ba-Ba ... The guitar was set down, a body hit the sheets.

Richards put the tape in an envelope marked “Can’t Get No Satisfaction.” He’s never explained the origin of that phrase. Years later, in an interview I worked on with Jann Wenner at Rolling Stone, Jagger said Richards was probably influenced by Chuck Berry’s “Thirty Days,” which includes the lyric, “If I don’t get no satisfaction from the judge.” “Keith might have heard it back then, because it’s not any way an English person would express it,” Jagger explained. “I’m not saying that he purposely nicked anything, but we played those records a lot.”

The riff seems part Chuck Berry, part something else. The four- or five-note progression, that dirty garage-band sound, was in the wind. When I listen to “Satisfaction,” it’s less “Maybellene” I hear than “I Can’t Explain” by the Who or “Where Have All the Good Times Gone” by the Kinks. To me, these tunes play like elaborations on a theme. It’s the mood of the moment translated into guitar. As Richards himself has said, you operate, on the best days, less as composer than as medium. The fact that he received the riff in his sleep only emphasizes the point.

Jagger and Richards did not take up the song until several weeks later, by which time they were back on the road. Jagger filled in the missing pieces: chords, chorus, bridge. One afternoon, they sat poolside at the Fort Harrison Hotel in Clearwater, Florida, working. The hotel had been built in 1926 and managed by Ransom Olds, the namesake of the Oldsmobile. To mark its opening, the daredevil Henry Roland had climbed the exterior in a blindfold. It’s since become Scientology headquarters. Shortly after the Stones checked in, multi-instrumentalist Brian Jones and bassist Bill Wyman hooked up with groupies, the sort that haunt astronaut bars and speedways. Jones’ girl showed up black-eyed by the pool in the morning. Paranoid and increasingly jealous of the Mick/Keith writing partnership, Jones spent his rage on women. The keener his paranoia, the more violent the outburst. As Richards has said, “He was not a good man.” As drummer Charlie Watts has said, “He was a little prick.” Mike Dorsey, a British actor who drove and protected the Stones, told Brian off, then punched him out. In addition to the moral offense, it was just stupid to beat up a local girl in the Bible Belt.

Meanwhile, Jagger and Richards were finishing “Satisfaction.” If the riff was all Keith, the lyric was all Mick. You know the plot: a young man, a lot like Jagger, big but about to become much bigger, decrying the pressures and people and commercial concerns closing in from every side. It’s a pose as much as a song, Jagger’s way of carrying himself in the world. It plugged into the cynicism of a generation beset by advertising. “When I’m watchin’ my TV/ And a man comes on to tell me/ How white my shirts can be ...” In a few lines, you have the disdain for parents and received wisdom, as well as the omnipresence of “the man,” who represents authority and discipline, and who, according to that seminal film School of Rock, it’s our primary task to confront. It’s one of Mick Jagger’s talents: this freakish ability to capture the zeitgeist in a phrase. He’s a social historian working from the inside, observing the moment as he remakes it.



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When I asked Jagger about this—Where do the songs come from? How do you capture the moment?—he paused, then said, “It’s about being a social animal. We’re all in an anthill. We’ve all got these antennas.”

The other Stones first heard “Satisfaction” in one of the hotel rooms. Richards played acoustic guitar as Jagger mumbled the lyric. At the beginning, it sounded less like an anthem than a dirge. It bitched and complained. “Neither Mick nor Keith saw it as a potential single, and certainly not a hit,” Wyman writes, “Keith’s instinct must have told him it was worth some effort, because he kept working on it.” The biggest influence on the lyric was probably Bob Dylan, whose album Bringing It All Back Home had been released that year. There’s actually a picture of Jagger, poolside in Clearwater, studying the back of the record cover. Dylan was rewriting the rules, giving composers permission to write about their own lives in a personal language that, like a private joke, could never be fully understood by an outsider. It’s a trick Dylan borrowed from the Beats—a modernist trick that obscures a song toward enigma. By withholding, the writer invites repeat listening. What’s more compelling than the half-heard table talk of a rock star, the story you have to complete yourself?

On May 9, 1965, the Stones played the Arie Crown Theater in Chicago. The next afternoon, they returned to Chess Records, where they cut “Try Me,” “That’s How Strong My Love Is,” “The Under Assistant West Coast Promotion Man,” and “Mercy, Mercy.” At the end of the nine-hour session, they recorded “Satisfaction.” Band manager Andrew Loog Oldham later described this early version as “acoustic-driven, wayward,” and “harmonica-laden”: “[It] just would not do ... the hook registered as marginal to nowt.” Jagger and Richards were ready to ditch the song, but Oldham urged them to keep after it. Because of that riff! It was buried, but there, tolling like a bell: B–B–B–C#–D. The band flew to Los Angeles the next day, where, at RCA Studios in Hollywood, they hooked up with sound engineer David Hassinger and producer and musician Jack Nitzsche, who’d prove essential. Nitzsche, who deserves a book of his own, urged the band through each iteration of “Satisfaction.” He played piano on the sessions. Though his track was later removed, it was, according to Oldham, essential in delineating and holding together the groove. In other words, even though you can’t hear him on the record, he’s there.

Jagger nailed the vocal, but the rest of the song had to evolve. The first RCA take was weak. Oldham compared it to “Walk Right in” by the Rooftop Singers—“[it] called for striped shirts, Brylcreem, basketball slacks and a time-out.” The grit was missing. In the early morning of May 12, at the end of a 14-hour session, Watts switched tempo on the drums and everything else began to fall into place. When Richards listened to the new version, he knew what was missing. The riff! He had to crank it up. The next morning, keyboardist Ian Stewart, who also functioned as a kind of road manager, came back from the music store with a Gibson Maestro fuzz box, a new gizmo that distorted guitar, junked it up. The sound was akin to the lead on the Kinks’ “You Really Got Me,” which, according to legend, resulted from a fight between Dave Davies and Ray Davies. One of the brothers cut a speaker with a razor blade, causing the same sort of snarled line Richards achieved with the fuzz pedal. It’s exactly what was needed to emphasize the lick that opens “Satisfaction.” “It was a miracle,” Richards told Guitar Player magazine. “I was screaming for more distortion. ‘This riff’s really gotta hang hard and long.’ We burnt the amps up and turned the shit up, and it still wasn’t right. And then Ian Stewart went around the corner to Wallach’s Music City or something and came around with a distortion box: ‘Try this.’ It was as offhand as that. It was just from nowhere. I never really got into the thing after that, either. It had a very limited use, but it was just right for that song.”

Oldham took a vote: Should “Satisfaction” be the next single? According to Wyman, it was close, with Watts, Wyman, and Jones voting yes, while Jagger and Richards opposed. Jones’ vote is the most surprising, as he later claimed to hate that song. Fleur du mal—an evil flower that signified ruin. Richards did not consider the song a hit. Jagger does not remember voting. Oldham says no vote was necessary as everyone realized “Satisfaction” was going to be a monster. And yet Richards says he was surprised when it was released, only learning of it when the song came on the radio as the band drove through Minnesota in June. “We didn’t even know Andrew had put the fucking thing out!” he explained. “At first, I was mortified. As far as I was concerned, that was just the dub.”

But it’s that raw, unfinished quality that gives the single its power. Of course, you can’t understand it in isolation. You have to consider the context. If you want to appreciate Marlon Brando in 1954, compare him to Gary Cooper. If you want to appreciate Elvis Presley in 1956, compare him to Perry Como. If you want to understand “Satisfaction” in 1965, compare it to the “The Birds and the Bees” by Jewel Akens or “This Diamond Ring” by Gary Lewis and the Playboys. Beside them, “Satisfaction” is raffish and strange, a kid wearing motorcycle boots at a prep school. It went up the charts like a projectile, surpassing “Help” (the Beatles), surpassing “Crying in the Chapel” (Elvis). It hung like a crescent moon, the Stones’ first No. 1 in America, the sound of summer in 1965, blasting from every transistor radio. It was 10 times bigger than anything the Stones had experienced—a quantum leap that resolved all doubts. In the commercial world, there are generally two of everything. It’s either/or, the dialectic of consumerism. Pepsi or Coke, Marlboro or Kool. It was not going be the Kinks, nor the Who, nor the Dave Clark Five. From the release of “Satisfaction” to the entrance of Yoko Ono, rock ’n’ roll was going to be either the Beatles or the Rolling Stones.

From the book The Sun & the Moon & the Rolling Stones by Rich Cohen. Copyright (c) 2016 by Tough Jews, Inc. Published by Spiegel & Grau, an imprint of Random House, a division of Penguin Random House LLC.


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Mick Jagger and Keith Richards can’t stand each other

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Rolling Stones bandmates Mick Jagger (left) and Keith Richards keep playing together only for the money, a new book claims. Photo: AP Photo/Elise Amendola, File


Mick Jagger and Keith Richards can’t stand each other and keep playing together only because the Rolling Stones bring in the kind of money neither could earn alone, a shocking new Stones memoir reveals.

The Glimmer Twins turned gloomy toward each other in the 1980s, writes rock journalist Rich Cohen in “The Sun & the Moon & the Rolling Stones,” his freewheeling memoir of life on the road with the band. But what really incensed Jagger was Richards’ now-legendary autobiography, “Life,” published in October 2010.

Jagger, Cohen reveals, first found out about the incendiary material in the book when he drove up to Richards’ Connecticut home to read a galley of it before publication.

The frontman was stunned by what he read: Richards revealed that the band’s nickname for Jagger was “Her Majesty” or whiny, needy “Brenda.” Bandmates, Richards said, would often refer in code to “that bitch Brenda” while the unsuspecting Jagger was right there in the room.

The guitarist wrote that the singer “started to become unbearable” in the 1980s, and even mocked Jagger’s “tiny todger.” And Richards was harsh on the quality of Jagger’s solo work, nicknaming the latter’s 2003 album “Goddess in the Doorway” “Dogs - - t in the Doorway.” The album sold just 954 copies on the day of its release.

Moreover, Richards went “f - - king berserk” at news that Jagger had accepted a knighthood in 2003, painfully recalling how cops acting on a tip-off had arrested both men for using drugs at a party at Richards’ country house in England in 1967. Jagger was joining “the same establishment that did their very best to throw us in jail and kill us,” Richards said at the time.

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Jagger, Cohen says, asked Richards to cut some of the most embarrassing material from “Life,” but Richards refused — and the juicy memoir went on to sell more than a million copies.

Jagger told Cohen his thoughts on the book, which the writer paraphrases as follows: “Imagine that everything Keith says is true. Now imagine those things being said by a business partner . . . Now imagine that partner is drug addicted. Sometimes, you have a big meeting and he doesn’t show . . . Or maybe he gets busted on the eve of a world tour. What, in such a case, would you make of his complaints?”

Dismissing the “most salacious material” with “a cold, cynical laugh,” Jagger went on to say he doubted that Richards had even read the book, reports Cohen, who was so close to the band when reporting on them for Rolling Stone that the magazine’s publisher Jann Wenner dubbed him “the sixth Stone.”

The band had been heading for a breakup as far back as the 1980s. Back then, says Cohen (who, along with Jagger, Terence Winter and Martin Scorsese, created the HBO series “Vinyl”), Jagger wanted to go solo, to “be famous while being alone in the way of Michael Jackson or David Bowie.” But Jagger, with his 1985 album “She’s the Boss” and 1987 followup “Primitive Cool,” couldn’t get his solo career working. Richards, in a huff, went out and did a record of his own, forming the new band the X-Pensive Winos.

“Keith’s record [“Talk Is Cheap”] sounded like the Stones,” Cohen writes. “It made you reevaluate everything and wonder just who’d been responsible for what. In other words, Jagger’s dash for freedom backfired.”

The pair decided that neither could rake in big money alone, so reluctantly they got back together and continued to tour, but “when you see Mick and Keith onstage, leaning together like Butch and Sundance, you’re seeing actors,” Cohen writes. “Their friendship was rock ‘n’ roll . . . What happens when that friendship dies?”

These days the bandleaders are like an emotionally estranged mom and dad who stick together only because of the kids. Only in this case, the “kids” are money: On just one tour, in 2005-2007, the gang grossed $558 million

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Wow...I really enjoyed this book...until it went to compete shit in the last few chapters with Cohen totally bagging on everyone and everything.  Lame.
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job wrote on May 13th, 2016 at 12:06pm:
Wow...I really enjoyed this book...until it went to compete shit in the last few chapters with Cohen totally bagging on everyone and everything.  Lame.

That kind of seems to be how most Stones books go.  Shit!
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Cohen is a douchebag who tries to make money by bashing MICK and KEEF. He doesnt know shit. Fvck him.
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Bitch wrote on May 14th, 2016 at 7:09am:
Cohen is a douchebag who tries to make money by bashing MICK and KEEF. He doesnt know shit. Fvck him.



From what I hear (I haven't read the book either and I don't intend to), Cohen is in love with Keith and wants to have his baby. Obviously, his knowledge of anatomy is also lacking. Or did I miss something important in Health class?
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Apparently Cohen has pissed off Dave Davies as well:

An open letter to Rich Cohen, Random House and Slate magazine.
For the record, I would like to correct a falsehood published in author Rich Cohen’s recent book ‘The Sun & the Moon & the Rolling Stones’. In a passage about the Rolling Stones’ song Satisfaction, a song which came out in 1965, the year after our worldwide hit Kinks song 'You Really Got Me' written by my brother Ray was released in 1964, Mr. Cohen states that Ray and I got into 'a fight' after which ‘one’ of us slashed my green amp to create my famous distorted guitar sound.
Cohen states, 'The sound was akin to the lead on the Kinks’ “You Really Got Me,” which, according to legend, resulted from a fight between Dave Davies and Ray Davies. One of the brothers cut a speaker with a razor blade, causing the same sort of snarled line Richards achieved with the fuzz pedal.'
Mr. Cohen and Slate magazine editors have refused to provide a source for this passage despite repeated requests from my staff. As I have stated in interviews and print since 1964, I was alone at home in the front room of 6 Denmark Terrace in Muswell Hill North London when I got angry because I was upset about being separated from my girlfriend. I slashed the speaker cone with a razor blade IN A FIT OF RAGE. Ray was not with me. I was alone in my ANGER. IT had nothing to do with a fight with my brother.
My friend and peer Jimi Hendrix told me some years later that he loved my guitar sound and that 'You Really Got Me' was a landmark record. The casual tone with which Rich Cohen dismisses my innovation is insulting and undermines my singular achievement as if it didn’t matter , A SLIGHT OF HAND. I request an immediate revision of this passage to the book and article excerpt in Slate magazine. In all modesty that guitar tone on You Really Got Me- revolutionized rock guitar and Rock guitar was never the same again. The sound was copied by generations of musicians and still is today.. including Punk rock and heavy metal musicians.
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If the ol' twat is so persnickety, he should note that Denmark Terrace isn't in Muswell Hill at all, although snobbish residents pretend so. It's in East Finchley N2, or at a push, Fortis Green N2.
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I just heard this knob's interview on NPR. What I find amazing about these twats who write these books is not only the trite tabloid crap that they write, but how poorly researched their shite is. He said that Mick wrote Wild Horses in Australia after Brian died. If he even had a basic understanding of the Stones, everyone knows that is mainly Keith's song. The more interesting question is how someone as supposedly savvy as Mick could be duped into working with such a prick and sharing so much with him.
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Its funny that everyone who writes a book about the Stones seems to hate the band, their work, and their fans.
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