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Reply #1 - Nov 10th, 2014 at 11:25am
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God forbid they don't get their money. Wonder how much is earmarked for fans who wasted airline tickets, hotel reservations etc? And the shows were re-scheduled so why almost $13 million? Thats only 2600 coffee table books by the way.
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Reply #2 - Nov 10th, 2014 at 11:54am
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"Jagger was “diagnosed as suffering from acute traumatic stress disorder” after Scott’s death and was advised by doctors not to perform for at least 30 days, according to documents filed in the court case in Utah."

"Do you mean perform sexually? Philosphically? Financially?".

I'm rolling my eyes over this one.
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Reply #3 - Nov 10th, 2014 at 12:21pm
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Insurance companies are an absolute shell game...they take your premiums hand over fist and then friggin flip out when you claim what they took your money to cover...

No matter how much I bitch and moan that it came up red at the roulette wheel I can't circumvent the inevitable...wonder why it's standard for insurance companies to renig on the deal.

Germania is the worst on the planet for this behavior...I bet they went with the Germania Craps & Roulette Ins. Co.
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Reply #4 - Nov 10th, 2014 at 12:54pm
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This could get really ugly.  You got Mormons involved, insurance companies, the Rolling Stones.  Even us lowly fans have some skin in the game.
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Reply #5 - Nov 10th, 2014 at 1:05pm
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" Before the tour, the group took out a $23.9 million policy to be paid in the event shows were canceled due to the death of family members or others, including Scott.  "

<  ----- Mick is a very smart businessman .

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Reply #6 - Nov 10th, 2014 at 1:54pm
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sirmoonie wrote on Nov 10th, 2014 at 12:54pm:
This could get really ugly.  You got Mormons involved, insurance companies, the Rolling Stones.  Even us lowly fans have some skin in the game.



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mojoman wrote on Nov 10th, 2014 at 1:54pm:
sirmoonie wrote on Nov 10th, 2014 at 12:54pm:
This could get really ugly.  You got Mormons involved, insurance companies, the Rolling Stones.  Even us lowly fans have some skin in the game.



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Yeah, they will call in the big Mormo guns if they can.  Different rules out there in Utah territory.  Mormons are provincial, and have caused sectarian violence in the past.  See 1857 Mountain Meadow massacre.  See Nephi 4:7-16.  They scoff at notions we Americans and Britons have of equity, fairness, rule of law and justice.  This is the worst possible venue for our band to be in, with them holier-than-thou whackadoos.  Whackamoofs.  Whackadooly doos.  Mormo-dongs.  Keep in mind, not long ago, they disclaimed America.


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Reply #8 - Nov 10th, 2014 at 6:11pm
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WOW! Imagine if the RS machine has to be out 23 mill?
Back to domestic wines for a whole week I would venture to guess...


The insurance cos have a valid point, or at least a good reason to investigate..."including Scott..."
AND they cancelled (not postponed) a show for a sore throat...that is reckless...
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Reply #9 - Nov 10th, 2014 at 8:01pm
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Well if Lwren was seeing a shrink and taking mood stabilizing medication, the insurance company has a loophole out of paying the claim due to pre-existing conditions. As for MICK's diagnosis of "acute traumatic stress disorder” I am sure he can get a number of doctors to verify that. The insurance company will try anything to deny a claim. I had to sue an insurance company once and ended up settling on just a small percentage of what should of been paid. I bet The Stones assumed the insurance policy would pay for the cancelled shows no question, and that's why they cancelled all instead of a few. Seriously, MICK performed the day his own father died, and it was on with the show. DO you think Lwen meant more to him than his own father? I don't.
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Reply #10 - Nov 10th, 2014 at 8:15pm
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No, but one was sudden and unexpected whereas the other one was a man in his 90's who he'd flown home to say goodbye to, before flying back to Las Vegas (where he was told the news of his dad's death on arrival).

Certainly more 'trauma' involved in suicide.

Going ahead with that show in Las Vegas (eight years ago today, coincidentally) in those circumstances after just stepping off a 12 hour flight (or whatever it is) really was one of his most incredible achievements.  No one really could have blamed him had he pulled out, but maybe after so many postponements and cancellations in recent weeks around that time, he felt duty bound to go through with it
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Reply #11 - Nov 10th, 2014 at 8:27pm
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OK I see your point, but in the situation of a close death, unexpected or not, there should be some kind of time period in place worked out in advance, especially when you are dealing with an insurance company. Maybe they would agree to 1 or 2 shows being canceled but not all. If that would of been the case, the show that had to be canceled now due to MICK's throat problems would not have been an issue.
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I dont think we were disagreeing about the insurance aspect of it, just the emotional trauma part! Smiley
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What is sad is the fans who made travel arrangements. Travelers Insurance also has many loopholes, and from my experience it doesn't cover shit like this. I also read that only 2% of the original ticket holders returned the tickets, so most people chose to come back and rearrange travel plans.  Ahh but when they got to see the Stones Im sure most fans would say it was worth the wait and the trouble. 
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Reply #14 - Nov 11th, 2014 at 10:49pm
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I wish I had had the opportunity to speak with L'Wren.  I too suffered from depression, anxiety, and panic attacks.  For years, I refused to take medications, and self-medicated with alcohol instead.

Yoga, breathing exercises, saunas, hot tubs and massages, all those things help!  But, it was the meds that changed my life!

Micky, please don't be sad.  L'Wren is resting in peace.
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LadyJane wrote on Nov 10th, 2014 at 11:54am:
"Jagger was “diagnosed as suffering from acute traumatic stress disorder” after Scott’s death and was advised by doctors not to perform for at least 30 days, according to documents filed in the court case in Utah."

"Do you mean perform sexually? Philosphically? Financially?".

I'm rolling my eyes over this one.


Wasn't Jagger seen parading a new little girlie 3 months after the services?? He met her 3 weeks before L'Wren's demise.

I am not saying he was being disrespectful...but how severe was this PTSD really could have been?

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2658512/EXCLUSIVE-Mick-Jaggers-ballet-da...


http://www.nydailynews.com/entertainment/gossip/mick-jagger-mystery-woman-ballet...

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He just lost the love of his life!  Maybe that is the only way he knows how to cope with the pain!
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I find this fascinating...not sure why...:

EXCLUSION ZONES FOR THE ROLLING STONES' INSURANCE POLICY

Ronnie Wood

Not covered for anything relating to “alcohol abuse”

Lists 17 people for cover, including his wife, Sally, and ex‑wife, Josephine Wood

Mick Jagger

Under “previous losses”, 17 shows rescheduled or cancelled due to infections or inflammations affecting his voice

Lists 18 people for cover, including ex-partners Jerry Hall and Bianca Jagger, as well as L’Wren Scott (listed as his girlfriend)

Keith Richards


Not covered for anything resulting from a head injury he suffered in 2006, when he fell out of a coconut tree while on holiday in Fiji with Ronnie Wood. He needed surgery to relieve bleeding around his brain, cancelling 13 shows and postponing another five

Not covered for anything relating to osteoarthritis, “alcohol abuse” or “liver failure and/or disease”

Under “previous losses”, references a concert at Wembley Stadium in 1990 when he suffered an infected finger after it was pierced by a guitar string. Five shows were rescheduled and two were cancelled. Also listed are the seven shows rescheduled and two cancelled after he damaged his ribs falling from a ladder in his library in 1998

Lists 12 people for cover, including his wife Patti

Charlie Watts

Not covered for throat cancer, following his 2004 diagnosis. A six-week course of radiotherapy was thought to be successful

Not covered for sciatica

Insurers would not have to pay up if he had to be replaced as drummer

Lists four people for cover, including his wife Shirley

Taken from the insurance policy for their Asia and Australasia tour, filed at a district court in Salt Lake City, Utah. All are covered for: death, an accident or illness preventing them from appearing, unavoidable travel delays, damage to the venue, adverse weather and even national mourning forcing concerts to be cancelled. They are not covered for: the illegal possession of drugs, radioactive contamination or “actual or threatened war, invasion, civil war, rebellion, revolution, insurrection, military or usurped power”.
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"radioactive contamination or “actual or threatened war, invasion, civil war, rebellion, revolution, insurrection, military or usurped power”."

I'm sorry, but that is just too funny!  Ha!
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"radioactive contamination or “actual or threatened war, invasion, civil war, rebellion, revolution, insurrection, military or usurped power”."

I'm sorry, but that is just too funny!  Ha!



That is a standard exclusionary clause (though admittedly, i never saw radioactive contamination before) in almost all insurance policies...auto, home, renters, travel, etc...I know it is in my homeowners  and auto

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Reply #21 - Nov 13th, 2014 at 6:24am
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Interesting to see the insurance clauses made public.

This effectively proves what I was told at the start of this tour. Whilst he is in good health, Keith's medical history made him uninsurable. The way round it was to have some kind of 'back up' in place in the event of him being unavailable.

Which is the main reason why Mick Taylor is on the tour.

Charlie seems to have an ongoing sciatica problem then, which is something that doesnt seem to have been known before.
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Reply #22 - Nov 13th, 2014 at 5:27pm
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Gazza wrote on Nov 13th, 2014 at 6:24am:
Interesting to see the insurance clauses made public.

This effectively proves what I was told at the start of this tour. Whilst he is in good health, Keith's medical history made him uninsurable. The way round it was to have some kind of 'back up' in place in the event of him being unavailable.

Which is the main reason why Mick Taylor is on the tour.

Charlie seems to have an ongoing sciatica problem then, which is something that doesnt seem to have been known before.

Keith is uninsurable. Yet once a tour starts. Who misses more shows, him or Mick. Fuck you Gazza, Will ya? Blank Frigging Stare
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No drug use clauses?

I didn't read the whole thing - just the snippet - but given their background, howe in THE HELL does an insurance policy not cover any drug related charges.

I'm disturbed by this.
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Radioactive contamination??????  Seriously?  That's an interesting thing to include.
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