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Reply #25 - Dec 19th, 2009 at 2:29pm
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Deathgod wrote on Dec 19th, 2009 at 12:14am:
i get a feeling that if he is sacked - the demise will be even quicker.
Just hope our boys and get it together.

I didnt know Keith and Ron had a falling out ...
was it over how he treated Jo ?
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Hard to say, as the band havent done anything in public together for so long (cant imagine it helped, however - Jo has (justifiably) been highly regarded in the Stones camp as she's been so good for Ronnie), but Keith & Ronnie's relationship hasnt really been the same since the start of the Licks tour. Apparently Ronnie's then-sobriety and reluctance to party like he used to was a source of frustration for his 'big brother'...  Roll Eyes
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...but Keith & Ronnie's relationship hasnt really been the same since the start of the Licks tour. Apparently Ronnie's then-sobriety and reluctance to party like he used to was a source of frustration for his 'big brother'...  Roll Eyes


weren't they both heavy on the sauce when the cocoanut incident happend?  Let's go get drunk
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Reply #27 - Dec 19th, 2009 at 2:53pm
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Ronnie and Keith cooled about six ro so years ago when Wood was being very open about being on the wagon and Keith lost his drink n drug buddy. (I believe Keith was still enjoying coke regularly back then)

Then with Ronnie's poor treatment of Joe - who it has been said Keith liked, that pushed Keith away even further.  

Now we have Mick attempting to police between the two, and appearing to have grown much closer to Charlie (and I hear Bill) in recent years.

If the money wasn't so good, and the chance for teh ego-feeding tens of thousands of screaming fans during the performance, Mick would have dumped this drama years ago.

He might do that yet...
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Reply #28 - Dec 19th, 2009 at 2:55pm
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" ...... hope for Ronnie is that he makes peace with his family before he dies and that they don't blame themselves when he does.   "


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Reply #29 - Dec 19th, 2009 at 3:07pm
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...but Keith & Ronnie's relationship hasnt really been the same since the start of the Licks tour. Apparently Ronnie's then-sobriety and reluctance to party like he used to was a source of frustration for his 'big brother'...  Roll Eyes


weren't they both heavy on the sauce when the cocoanut incident happend?  Let's go get drunk



Yep. Maybe with hindsight things are a lot safer when they dont talk or hang out together!
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Reply #30 - Dec 19th, 2009 at 3:47pm
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Ronnie could be one of those personalities that doesn't care he's throwing it all away. He had it, he basked in it, now fuck it, it's all gone, it was a good run. He may delight in the fact that people can't believe he's throwing it away.

Sometimes things, especially art, is more important to the observer then it is the artist.


Doesn't have a point of view
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Isn't he a bit like you and me?
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Reply #31 - Dec 19th, 2009 at 4:25pm
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Zack wrote on Dec 18th, 2009 at 10:50pm:
People destroy themselves because they feel unworthy.  Look at Brian Wilson.

The Stones will not replace Ronnie.  My read is if he's not in shape to tour, there won't be one.  Hate to be negative, but it's too late to change the front line or Charlie.


My friend Zack, I agree 100%. I can't see any such big change in the Stones at this point of time.
However, I have this feeling 2010 is going to see Woody getting a quick rehab again and trying to pull himself together... Better be serious this time Ronnie  Ouch!
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'Quick' rehabs are no fucking good. They just delay the inevitable trainwreck that invariably follows a few months later. And a rehab mightn't be enough to convince any investor in a tour that hes worth the risk from an insurance perspective.

How many rehabs has he had now? Seven? Eight?

And they usually last a couple of weeks - he treats them as if its a holiday in Butlins.

That suggests a man who either isn't serious about sorting his problems out or is in total denial.

Maybe the realisation that on this occasion he's TOTALLY fucked his life up - no loyal long-suffering wife to run back to, a family who are mostly estranged from him and no band if he doesnt change the habits of a lifetime - will be what he does next different this time.

This cat's running out of lives, unfortunately. How he reacts to this will either kill him or cure him IMO.

The ball's in his court.

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Reply #33 - Dec 19th, 2009 at 5:03pm
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Dump Wood, Get Jeff Beck, and if Keith only plays rhythm and Jeff handles all the leads, the Stones could enter a new Golden Age.
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Holden wrote on Dec 19th, 2009 at 5:03pm:
Dump Wood, Get Jeff Beck, and if Keith only plays rhythm and Jeff handles all the leads, the Stones could enter a new Golden Age.


I agree ... Even if Ronnie gets his act together for his own sake -- I hope he does -- I still think they need to make a change musically. Fact is, he's simply not a competent guitar player anymore.
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Reply #35 - Dec 20th, 2009 at 9:38am
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Neither is Keith. He poses more then Paris Hilton walking into a club.
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Reply #36 - Dec 20th, 2009 at 9:40am
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Roster changes at this stage? I don't know. Up until very recently I said I would not check it out if they tour with anyone other than Ronnie on guitar and I know better: of course I'll see the show. But I don't think a different dude on lead would bring any ground breaking differences. It's too late in the game, though it would be cool if they'd bring back Fat Mick for a gig or two (and I know it is not very likely).

When I saw them in 07 I was pretty certain that it was my last ever Stones gig and I'm cool with that. Of course, one always hopes for more...but the quality isn't going up. Not even with Beck added to the fold.
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" Neither is Keith. He poses more then Paris Hilton walking into a club. "


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Reply #38 - Dec 20th, 2009 at 10:15am
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I'm in the "it's too late in the game for a lineup change" camp.
Won't happen.

What I do see is a reconciliation between Ronnie and Jo; another stint in Rehab and out on the road with Jo (with Mick's blessing) as his "minder".

I'm not ready to say goodbye; I don't think I'll ever be.

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Reply #39 - Dec 20th, 2009 at 10:38am
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LadyJane wrote on Dec 20th, 2009 at 10:15am:
I'm in the "it's too late in the game for a lineup change" camp.
Won't happen.

What I do see is a reconciliation between Ronnie and Jo; another stint in Rehab and out on the road with Jo (with Mick's blessing) as his "minder".

I'm not ready to say goodbye; I don't think I'll ever be.

LJ.



The line up change 'wont happen' in the same sense that it didnt happen with Bill. One member left, and wasnt replaced.

The decision in this case, may end up being taken out of the band's hands. They have plans to tour in the near future (certainly within the next 9 months). One band member's ability to get medical insurance to do so is a matter of concern. Its a huge deal when youre embarking on a multi-million dollar undertaking where sponsors and promoters will want some security on their huge guarantees.

If Ronnie can't get past this hurdle, then the Stones are left with only two options. Either they tour without him, or they don't tour at all. If he's deemed medically uninsureable, then they CANT tour with him even if they want to - well, they could I suppose, but it would be incredibly foolish to tour without medical cover and they'd stand to lose millions if something happened.

Its quite bizarre and pretty ridiculous when you think about it that the touring future of the band may depend on whether or not Jo Wood agrees to go back on her earlier and quite logical decision to move on with her life and  deciding instead to forgive and forget.
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"The line up change 'wont happen' in the same sense that it didnt happen with Bill. One member left, and wasnt replaced."

A LOT has changed since Bill's departure.
I just don't see them bringing in a new guitar player at this point.
I hate to think or even type this but my bet is No Ronnie, No Tour.

But really wtf do I know???

Hope for the best, I guess.
And "the best" is for Ronnie to get his friggin act together before we are posting in his Obit thread.  Oh no! not you again

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gotdablouse wrote on Dec 19th, 2009 at 10:42am:
gimmekeef wrote on Dec 19th, 2009 at 8:44am:
Such a pathetically sad story. Imagine what any of us would give up to have the talent and opportunities in life Ronnie has had? The future is hard to see as far as the band is concerned but maybe Ronnie can rally himself for one last triumph over his deamons. They won't replace him with anyone who would show Keith's evident decline either though Jeff Beck seems so right for the job now.

A bit too high-profile, Waddy Wachtel would be easier to blend in I think, he'd probably be playing from the back though so he doesn't scare off the front rows...a haircut might help too.


Hell if Keith doesnt scare the front rows nobody would...lmaooo
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LadyJane wrote on Dec 20th, 2009 at 10:51am:

"The line up change 'wont happen' in the same sense that it didnt happen with Bill. One member left, and wasnt replaced."

A LOT has changed since Bill's departure.
I just don't see them bringing in a new guitar player at this point.
I hate to think or even type this but my bet is No Ronnie, No Tour.

But really wtf do I know???

Hope for the best, I guess.
And "the best" is for Ronnie to get his friggin act together before we are posting in his Obit thread.  Oh no! not you again

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The main difference since 1992 is that theyve become more focussed than ever on being a corporation that on being a band.

Bearing that in mind, every decision the Stones take is based primarily with profits in mind. Even on the last tour, on the two occasions where they gave fans a free or cheap show to go to (Copacabana and the Beacon), the motive was financial in the long run because the shows were being filmed for commercial release.

In the last few years, even Keith has gone back on previous statements about being down to the last four core members now by stating that as far as he's concerned, only he and Mick are irreplaceable.

The bottom line is that, as far as they're concerned, any 'weak link' in the chain that gets in their way of maximising profit is expendable. Even it doesn't look right to everyone else and even if it detracts from their musical legacy.

Agree with your last point. We can only hope the poor guy can see sense and sort his health and his life out. I don't think Mick and Keith's patience is inexhaustible however.
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Gazza wrote on Dec 20th, 2009 at 12:33pm:
In the last few years, even Keith has gone back on previous statements about being down to the last four core members now by stating that as far as he's concerned, only he and Mick are irreplaceable.


I think I would have remembered hearing Keith talking like this. When did he say this?

As for Ronnie, I think I could go see a Stones show without him, but we're also talking about Charlie here, and I can't believe Keith would consider Charlie expendable.  Shit!
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Stones Inc does appear to be falling apart after many many great years.

If they are able to cobble together another tour - it's gonna be the last time.

All of this talk of Wood's health and no talk of Keith?  He may in fact be in the poorest health of the bunch!  Certainly his playing is of the most diminished quality - and it pains me to say so but that is the irrefutable fact.

And does Charlie want another world tour?  I think not.  There will be much negotiation between he and Mick regarding the size and scope of the next outing - if it takes place at all.

There appears to be initial planning for something taking place in the coming year - but what, if anything transpires from that is at present impossible to say at the moment as the Stones themselves likely have little idea, to say nothing of the people around them.
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Gazza wrote on Dec 20th, 2009 at 12:33pm:
In the last few years, even Keith has gone back on previous statements about being down to the last four core members now by stating that as far as he's concerned, only he and Mick are irreplaceable.


I think I would have remembered hearing Keith talking like this. When did he say this?

As for Ronnie, I think I could go see a Stones show without him, but we're also talking about Charlie here, and I can't believe Keith would consider Charlie expendable.  Shit!



Interview in either Mojo or Uncut before the last tour. The context was when he was asked what would have happened had Charlie's cancer been fatal.

Was pretty stunned to read it too, but he definitely said it.
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Welcoming back Mick Taylor is not such a big change.  I don't believe that there is any rush anyway.  No way is MJ thick enough to plan a Tour in 2010....a year that will see the real economic punishment of the banking failures hit all of our pockets with collapsing global  markets.  I truly hope that I am wrong on the economic front but am desperate to buy a ticket to see the real Mick n Keef!!
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my guess is that they wil never do anything again...just leave it..keith barely played for the last few tours, ronnie is outta hand etc....Why diminish the legacy with an ugly tour?
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Stones Inc does appear to be falling apart after many many great years.

If they are able to cobble together another tour - it's gonna be the last time.

All of this talk of Wood's health and no talk of Keith?  He may in fact be in the poorest health of the bunch!  Certainly his playing is of the most diminished quality - and it pains me to say so but that is the irrefutable fact.
And does Charlie want another world tour?  I think not.  There will be much negotiation between he and Mick regarding the size and scope of the next outing - if it takes place at all.

There appears to be initial planning for something taking place in the coming year - but what, if anything transpires from that is at present impossible to say at the moment as the Stones themselves likely have little idea, to say nothing of the people around them.


The thing is, that if they're deemed fit to tour, then their performance capabilities are only relevant if you and I choose whether to buy a ticket or not because of it.

Keith's health is something we don't know about simply because unlike Woody he's generally chosen to not be tabloid fodder for the last 18 months.  You could theoretically say the same about the other two. I'd imagine that we'd never have known in August 2004 that Charlie had throat cancer unless someone at the Sunday People had got a tip off that he was going radiotherapy sessions.

The fact is that Keith doesnt need to go into rehab every couple of years to get medical clearance to tour. Ronnie does. You could surmise from that that while Keith's intake is possibly enough to kill a small horse, it hasn't affected his body to the degree that Ronnie's has affected his. His diminishing chops are probably as much to do with arthritis and having to take anti-seizure medication which was the case for the final  year of the last tour.

I really hope that Charlie's influence in the scale and scope of the next tour is as significant as you're hoping for. I genuinely dont think they have another long tour in them.
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my guess is that they wil never do anything again...just leave it..keith barely played for the last few tours, ronnie is outta hand etc....Why diminish the legacy with an ugly tour?


They will do what they have to do for another $day.
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