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Reply #150 - Jan 2nd, 2010 at 8:08pm
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Having read that article again, if someone of his age and with his history is going through anything close to 50 units a day, he won't have a prayer of getting past No.3.

At that rate, he won't even be alive by April, let alone anywhere near a press conference.
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Reply #151 - Jan 2nd, 2010 at 8:11pm
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I'm not familiar with the term "50 units."

How much is that?
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Reply #152 - Jan 2nd, 2010 at 8:36pm
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Edith Grove wrote on Jan 2nd, 2010 at 8:11pm:
I'm not familiar with the term "50 units."

How much is that?



http://www.drinkaware.co.uk/tips-and-tools/drink-diary/

The recommended regular WEEKLY limit for an adult male is 21 units.

A litre of Vladivar vodka works out at 37.5 units. 40 units for Absolut vodka.

A pint of draught Guinness would be 2.33 units.

If he's knocking back 50 units a DAY, thats Oliver Reed-esque.
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Reply #153 - Jan 2nd, 2010 at 11:03pm
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Gazza wrote on Jan 2nd, 2010 at 8:36pm:
Edith Grove wrote on Jan 2nd, 2010 at 8:11pm:
I'm not familiar with the term "50 units."

How much is that?



http://www.drinkaware.co.uk/tips-and-tools/drink-diary/

The recommended regular WEEKLY limit for an adult male is 21 units.

A litre of Vladivar vodka works out at 37.5 units. 40 units for Absolut vodka.

A pint of draught Guinness would be 2.33 units.

If he's knocking back 50 units a DAY, thats Oliver Reed-esque.




Yikes. YIKES. Wow. I wonder how this compares to his usual intake {before each rehab...especially the last one}? I don't know how he can even be conscious on a daily basis!
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Reply #154 - Jan 3rd, 2010 at 12:31am
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I'm sure Ronnie isn't "dumped" from The Rolling Stones...

They have always taken care of him in his time of need. This time will be no different I'm sure.

They will make the adjustments and see to it he gets his head on.

By now, you'd certainly think they have begun recording. They may of broke for the holidays a bit but ....realistically it is January folks. I'm sure several songs are written and either they have much in the can or they've worked on them already.


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Reply #155 - Jan 3rd, 2010 at 4:33am
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Wishful thinking, if they were recording together they would havé been spotted by someone.

That 4 stage process sounds about right. Wasn't the last time in 2002 though, somewhere in Arizona for the rehab?

Thanks for the "units" info, wasn't a aware of it, seems Ronnie is at more than 50 though if he knocks down two bottles of Vodka a day.
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Reply #156 - Jan 3rd, 2010 at 9:35am
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Ian Billen wrote on Jan 3rd, 2010 at 12:31am:
I'm sure Ronnie isn't "dumped" from The Rolling Stones...

They have always taken care of him in his time of need. This time will be no different I'm sure.

They will make the adjustments and see to it he gets his head on.

By now, you'd certainly think they have begun recording. They may of broke for the holidays a bit but ....realistically it is January folks. I'm sure several songs are written and either they have much in the can or they've worked on them already.


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they can wrap him in cotton wool all they like but the reality is that if he's too much of an insurance risk for promoters he wont be in the band when they go on the road.

Amazed people still cant get this. No one's going to stump up millions and millions of pounds up front to sponsor or promote a tour if they think there's a strong risk the tour wont finish (or even start) because one of the band members may be at a high risk of dying.

And unless Mick and Keith have been doing stuff separately in their home studios, they havent been 'recording'. Ronnie and Charlie certainly havent been involved in anything and Charlie has some more concert dates lined up in January.
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Reply #157 - Jan 3rd, 2010 at 9:36am
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gotdablouse wrote on Jan 3rd, 2010 at 4:33am:
Wishful thinking, if they were recording together they would havé been spotted by someone.

That 4 stage process sounds about right. Wasn't the last time in 2002 though, somewhere in Arizona for the rehab?

Thanks for the "units" info, wasn't a aware of it, seems Ronnie is at more than 50 though if he knocks down two bottles of Vodka a day.



He went to the Cottonwood clinic in Arizona in early 2002 for rehab.

however, he went into rehab in early 2005 too before the Licks tour.
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What's Ronnie's longest rehab stint?

When/if he goes again, surely it's got to be the intensive, 90 day (or longer) inpatient variety.
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Reply #159 - Jan 3rd, 2010 at 10:03am
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Usually a few weeks, as far as I can make out.

I thought about 6-8 weeks was the standard length of time. 90 days? Yikes. If thats the case, he wont play a note on the next record (if there is one). He's gone into rehab before and come out proclaiming himself as 'cured' about 3 weeks later.  Roll Eyes

The way this is shaping up, if the Stones really want to make sure he's going to play on their next album AND get himself into some kind of condition where he can tour, they might end up having to postpone any recording/touring plans by several months.

Thats unlikely to happen I suppose, so if they dont do that they may have to either scrap it altogether (unlikely) or say 'enough is enough' and  move on without him.
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Reply #160 - Jan 3rd, 2010 at 10:15am
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Gazza wrote on Jan 3rd, 2010 at 10:03am:
If thats the case, he wont play a note on the next record (if there is one).


Doubt that'll slow them down much, if at all. 
Ronnie wasn't on a bunch of ABB tracks. 
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Reply #161 - Jan 3rd, 2010 at 11:06am
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Let me post some Ronnie's own words from his book 'Ronnie' I got in my hand right now, and I'm reading.
        Prologue

it was 1964. The Rolling Stones were playing the Richmond jazz and Blues festival. The gut essence of the music was gripping me ever since. The Stones were my bait and I was hooked on the line.
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2006: perring through the balcony from my hotel room, down on to the millions waiting for our momentous Rio gig to start, I truly realized how far we'd come. The way the anticipation and sheer adrenaline built and built until we actually hit the killing floor on Copacabana Beach was immense.
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here I was  - more than four decades after my first glimpse of the Stones rocking the blues festival, and I'd been asked to relate my life story.
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Chapter 2
A Ronnie's girlfriend was died.
he says: I wasnt allowed to go to her funeral because her parents decided they hardly knew me and didnt wasnt me there. So while they were burying Stephanie, some friends took me to the pub. That's how I discovered that alcohol could help me hide my feelings.
They got me drunk because it was the only way I could accept the fact that she was gone from my life forever.
Although I missed her funeral, I did visit the accident black spot, and several days later her grave. despite this, I was unable to accept what had happened to her; but in the bottle I had discovered a way not to think about it; I know that anger and disappointment blow out the candles of the mind.
I would never let them get the better of me.

(Never let then get the better of me.. !)
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but in the bottle I had discovered a way not to think about it; I know that anger and disappointment blow out the candles of the mind.
I would never let them get the better of me.



If you play this in a loop - it's like the dog chasing it's tail  Oh no! not you again

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"Woody, the ball's in your court."

I hope he knows what to do with it.
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" If he's knocking back 50 units a DAY, thats Oliver Reed-esque. "

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Reply #166 - Jan 3rd, 2010 at 5:48pm
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Edith Grove wrote on Jan 3rd, 2010 at 3:30pm:
gotdablouse wrote on Jan 3rd, 2010 at 3:15pm:


"Woody, the ball's in your court."

I hope he knows what to do with it.


If its a speedball, he certainly will......  Cheesy
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" If he's knocking back 50 units a DAY, thats Oliver Reed-esque. "

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Interesting about the "tough of ADD" comment...
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Yes that transpired in BG's book too. Sad to think they haven't talked for 5 years...Wood seems to have drifted away from reality.

Wonder how much guitar playing he's been doing over the past couple of months !
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Sioux wrote on Jan 3rd, 2010 at 6:26pm:
Interesting about the "touch of ADD" comment...


Decades of alcohol and drug abuse probably didn't help that condition much.
Conversely, it may have been a contributing factor to those abuses.



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Sioux wrote on Jan 3rd, 2010 at 6:26pm:
Interesting about the "touch of ADD" comment...


Decades of alcohol and drug abuse probably didn't help that condition much.
Conversely, it may have been a contributing factor to those abuses.







Yup. Good observations. Sometimes underlying behaviors lead to destructive habits....could have been the case with Brian Jones as well. Sad
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Meanwhile...Jimmy Rip is warming up : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0PPvm1YihCI
Not bad, seems to have lost his hair though ?
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-They can wrap him in cotton wool all they like but the reality is that if he's too much of an insurance risk for promoters he wont be in the band when they go on the road.

Amazed people still cant get this. No one's going to stump up millions and millions of pounds up front to sponsor or promote a tour if they think there's a strong risk the tour wont finish (or even start) because one of the band members may be at a high risk of dying.

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Come on now. I seriously doubt the dude is gonna die. The media and others can exaggerate things. He has been out playing gigs here and there over the past year. He is going places and shopping. He isn't on his death bed.... We have heard such rumors before and nothing becomes of it after he cleans up. Sure, without a doubt he has a drinking issue. He's an alcoholic I'd say. He needs to take care of this but I don't see him actually getting ready to completely kick the bucket any time soon either.

-And unless Mick and Keith have been doing stuff separately in their home studios, they havent been 'recording'. Ronnie and Charlie certainly havent been involved in anything and Charlie has some more concert dates lined up in January. [/quote]


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But where ARE Mick and Keith? How do we know they are not together right now? I am not being sarcastic ....I am just saying ....we have no way of really knowing. Also I am not being overly optimistic (I certainly realize some times I can be) but who knows, Mick and Keith could be together right now working on songs. We do not live with them. We are not at every major airport to see them. The media adheres to keeping a lid on things in "certain" instances until the time is right as well. So who knows. As well Gazza, not for anything but the clock is truly ticking here. It already is January 2010. If they are to get an album out by next fall The Stones should of well been working on it by their (and any major acts) normal time-scale. Don't you at least agree to this? It's January. In six or seven months that album has to be completely finished ....writing, recording, mixing, mastering, artwork ....everything ....for a 2010 fall release. All of this is normally a year long project for them.


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