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Gram's influence
Dec 28^th, 2008 at 7:46pm

I must say right up that I had never considered myself a true Stones acolyte until I had discovered a few of the secrets that only a "true" Stones' fan is privy to (or interested in.). One of which is the incredible influence that all of their influences has had on them. Redundant? Sure, but true.

Just listen to the boys playing with Muddy at The Checkerboard Lounge back in '78. Listen to the devotion to form with which they played Love In Vain on the '69 tour. I know. Love In Vain sounds nothing like the original Johnson tune. That misses the point. They were playing the song the way that they perceived the song should sound in 1969, and they redefined the song for generations to come. It still was a testament to the influence that Robert Johnson had on the band that came through on the recorded record. Point being that the Stones were very adept at sharing their love for an artist or genre and making the listener want to do some digging into said artist or genre. A tip of the hat, if you will.

With that thought in mind I have really been into digging into Gram Parsons stuff for the last year or two. Having done this I now have come to realize that had Keith and Gram never become mates than Country Honk would never have happened, and certainly, Exile would have sounded far different than it came out.

I have always thought that the Stones must have really made an impact on their contemporaries as well as bands that followed in their wake. That is a given. However, in the case of Gram Parsons I think that it is safe to say that he had more of an influence on the Stones than they had on him. Though there can be little doubt that he always wanted to be a Stone and thought, rightfully so, that they were the touch stone of their generation. I'm just damn glad that he met the the Stones when he did. Too bad he tried to keep up with Keith in the lifestyle department.

Keith and Gram may well have been inseparable back "in the day", but which Stone do you think that Gram was copping here...?

Hmmmmmm......?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tAKSJrrNa3s&feature=related

Riffy

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Re: Gram's influence
Reply #2 - Dec 28^th, 2008 at 8:14pm

Voodoo Chile in Wonderland wrote on Dec 28^th, 2008 at 7:53pm:

I'm flying bro.......................

I'm flying yeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeees I do

Better seen on weed!

You too?! Christmas is good! It always smells like Christmas trees around my house this time of year! Wink

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Sioux Rocks Off Regular Offline Brian Jones---Foundation Stone--Golden Stone Posts: 4,176 Virginia, U.S.A. Gender:	Re: Gram's influence Reply #3 - Dec 28^th, 2008 at 9:56pm Hey Riffy...there's a new book out you may be interested in. A friend of mine in Winnipeg sent it to me for Christmas--she knows the author, John Einerson. It's called "Hot Burritos--The True Story of the Flying Burrito Brothers". Haven't started it yet, but I plan to--if I can ever finish the book I'm reading now!
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Re: Gram's influence
Reply #4 - Dec 28^th, 2008 at 10:04pm

Riffhard wrote on Dec 28^th, 2008 at 7:46pm:

Keith and Gram may well have been inseparable back "in the day", but which Stone do you think that Gram was copping here...?

Hmmmmmm......?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tAKSJrrNa3s&feature=related

Riffy

Strangely, that may be the only video I have ever seen of Parsons. Yeah, he's channeling for sure, and that song sounds very like Good Time Women. Boat too. Boat.

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glencar Ex Member	Re: Gram's influence Reply #6 - Dec 29^th, 2008 at 12:45pm Riffy, which one is Gram in that video? If it's who I think it is, I never even see him play the guitar.
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Reply #7 - Dec 29^th, 2008 at 1:45pm

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Riffy, which one is Gram in that video? If it's who I think it is, I never even see him play the guitar.

Gram is the one that is doing the Mick Jagger impression.

Riffy

PS-Gram did play though. Quite well in fact.

Here's pretty boy Gram right here playing with the Burrito Brothers. Gram Parsons-guitar, Chris Hillman-guitar, Chris Ethridge-bass, and "Sneaky" Pete Kleinow on pedal steel. One of my favorite Burrito tunes.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BITiY8M_oDo

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glencar Ex Member	Re: Gram's influence Reply #8 - Dec 29^th, 2008 at 1:53pm Don't like that song as much. Too country.
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Re: Gram's influence
Reply #9 - Dec 29^th, 2008 at 2:07pm

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Don't like that song as much. Too country.

Well when put in the context of the whole album it's a great tune. You should really pick up The Gilded Palace of Sin disk Blue. You won't be disappointed at all. There's quite a bit of country on it sure, but it's in the same vein as Stones' country tunes (no coincidence), but the Burrito's, and Gram particularly, were true fans of old school country. Lefty Frizzell, and the like. They really were hippie band that made country music cool. To my mind one of the coolest scenes in Gimme Shelter is when the Burrito Brothers kick into Six Days On The Road and the Frisbees start flying. It looks like it was going to be a great day, and then....well, you know.

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glencar Ex Member	Re: Gram's influence Reply #10 - Dec 29^th, 2008 at 2:13pm I'll look into it. I have GP/Grievous Angel.
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Re: Gram's influence
Reply #11 - Dec 30^th, 2008 at 12:02am

I've had a hard time finding The Gilded Palace of Sin on CD. But it and the second album, Burrito Deluxe, are both included in their entirety on Sin City: The Very Best of The Flying Burrito Brothers. Gilded Palace is an indispensable album with classics such as "Do Right Woman" and the anti-draft anthem, "My Uncle"; Deluxe also has many great tracks, including "Older Guys" and the Burritos' version of "Wild Horses." Another Stones connection: fiddle on the albums is played by none other than Byron Berline of "Country Honk" fame.

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stones67 Rocks Off Regular Offline Rocks Off Rules You Bastards Posts: 59	Re: Gram's influence Reply #12 - Dec 30^th, 2008 at 10:04pm Gram was totally brilliant, the best country singer/songwriter of his generation, IMHO. Such emotional depth can't be learned or faked.
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