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B2B LOVE
May 18^th, 2008 at 2:48pm

After many years of rearranging and testing, and regretting that the quality (or lack thereof) of my life allows me time for such trivial matters, I have finally stumbled upon an acceptable Bridges To Babylon running order:

ASMB
Gunface
You Don't Have To Mean It
OOC
SOM
Already Over Me
Too Tight
Thief In The Night
How Can I Stop

The deleted:
Flip The Switch is a good tune but the lame lyrics cannot be overlooked
Low Down isn't bad but not necessary
Juiced sounds a bit forced and is 2 minutes too long
Always Suffering just sounds too clean

Still, a very good, if overproduced album overall - best post-TY effort IMO.

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Re: B2B LOVE
Reply #1 - May 18^th, 2008 at 5:15pm

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After many years of rearranging and testing, and regretting that the quality (or lack thereof) of my life allows me time for such trivial matters, I have finally stumbled upon an acceptable Bridges To Babylon running order:

ASMB
Gunface
You Don't Have To Mean It
OOC
SOM
Already Over Me
Too Tight
Thief In The Night
How Can I Stop

The deleted:
Flip The Switch is a good tune but the lame lyrics cannot be overlooked
Low Down isn't bad but not necessary
Juiced sounds a bit forced and is 2 minutes too long
Always Suffering just sounds too clean

Still, a very good, if overproduced album overall - best post-TY effort IMO.

already over me
always suffering
and
how can i stop
top anything from dirty work.

period.

You rock!

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Gazza Unholy Trinity Admin Offline Rat Bastid "We piss anywhere, man.." Posts: 13,180 Belfast, UK Gender:	Re: B2B LOVE Reply #2 - May 18^th, 2008 at 5:22pm I like the whole album - maybe Lowdown, Already Over Me and Juiced are a bit short of being top notch, but they only really suffer by comparison. cant understand why so many dislike 'Always Suffering'. I think its excellent. Best Stones album post Tattoo You and the 1-2 Keith finale is a masterful bit of sequencing.
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GotToRollMe Rocks Off Regular Offline 'soft and freaky' Posts: 1,918 Gender:	Re: B2B LOVE Reply #3 - May 18^th, 2008 at 5:40pm Always Suffering and Already Over Me boast some classic Jagger vocals and are two of my favorite Stones tunes of the past 20 years. Hell, I even love Might As Well Get Juiced. The only song I'm not that crazy about from Bridges To Babylon is Lowdown. What can I say, B2B just has a special place in my heart.
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PartyDoll MEG Rocks Off Regular Offline Just one drink from your lovin' cup Posts: 3,125	Re: B2B LOVE Reply #4 - May 18^th, 2008 at 6:37pm Could never understand why ya all don't like this album.. Of course it doesn't stand up to Sticky, Bleed, or Exile But the best in the "Modern Era"
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Holden Rocks Off Regular Offline Rocks Off Rules You Bastards Posts: 1,250 Tampa Bay Gender:	Re: B2B LOVE Reply #5 - May 18^th, 2008 at 7:08pm I absolutely can't stand might as well get juiced and don't like the drums in thief in the night. Other than that It's a great album, but the choruses of already over me and always suffering sound a bit too similar.
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fireontheplatter Ex Member	Re: B2B LOVE Reply #6 - May 18^th, 2008 at 7:48pm [quote author=Gazza link=1211140103/0#2 date=1211149364 Keith finale is a masterful bit of sequencing. [/quote] thief in the night never really grabbed me.... how can i stop well thats another story don't go postal on me now gazza...........
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sirmoonie Rocks Off Regular Offline Posts: 3,477 Gender:	Re: B2B LOVE Reply #7 - May 18^th, 2008 at 8:20pm Always liked that album. Haven't spun it in years, will have to go give it a good listen.
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corgi37 Rocks Off Regular Offline Rocks Off Rules You Bastards Posts: 1,559 Aussie land Gender:	Re: B2B LOVE Reply #8 - May 19^th, 2008 at 7:11am Might as well get juiced is my fave track off B2B. It's Little Red Rooster meets drum n bass. It's the blues on exstasy.
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Reply #9 - May 19^th, 2008 at 8:23am

Good record. It's no Dirty Work, but it's much more interesting than boring old by-the-numbers Voodoo Lounge. I prefer Already Over Me to Always Suffering, though. Just by the virtue of the fact that two of its numbers absolutely killed (and took on a new life of their own) live is to me proof that it is more of a "real" Stones LP than any of the Steel Wheels and late projects. It's too long, so it loses its shape by the end, but it's almost coherent, which is more than I can say about any post-DW Stones LP. If you don't count Stripped, the best of them.

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Reply #11 - May 19^th, 2008 at 10:41am

Good question. Personally I've never had a problem with the Flip the Switch lyric. Think it's one of the more interesting of the "modern" era in fact. Everybody seems to cringe over the turkey and the stuffing line, but come on, it's weird, but it's no "Sharks will cry". Within the context of the song it just seems to mean "I ate/lived well, even well enough to leave a legacy, so I don't care if I die or not". "I'm not going to burn in hell/I've cased the joint and I know it well" and "What would it take to bury me?/I can't wait to see" are badass blues brags in an honorable tradition. At least the song is about something (death) other than the norm (sex).

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Reply #13 - May 20^th, 2008 at 6:38am

"I like Lowdown too, especially the longer version on Marko's "Pirates of the Vaults." "

Aha, does it mean there are some B2B outtakes I missed ? I was one of the dudes who sent $50 to that Dutch thief at the time B2B was released in September 2007...

Anyway, yes, best modern Stones album by a country mile, for all the reasons above. I don't like "Always Suffering" either, especally the chorus that sounds a bit ''common' and to some extent it spoils the otherwise stellar Already Over Me too.

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Zack Rocks Off Regular Offline Chiba Face Rules You Bastards! Posts: 1,727 Dakar Gender:	Re: B2B LOVE Reply #14 - May 20^th, 2008 at 9:03am Yes, I think there's an alt version of "Juiced" on that set too. I'd email you an mp3 but my hard drive is in storage at the moment. Can anyone help gotda?
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gotdablouse Rocks Off Regular Offline Rocks Off Rules You Bastards Posts: 1,002 Paris, France Gender:	Re: B2B LOVE Reply #15 - May 20^th, 2008 at 9:06am Thanks, it it on the tracker, maybe ? Are these maybe from the so-called B2B Remixes ?
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Honky Tonk Man Rocks Off Regular Offline Rocks Off Rules You Bastards Posts: 2,271 Blackwater, Hampshire Gender:	Re: B2B LOVE Reply #16 - May 20^th, 2008 at 9:12am Always really like Bridges To Babylon. Some interesting ideas - mostly pulled off. Keith's How Can I Stop is absolutely glorious and Flip The Switch is their greatest rocker since the 1970's. It was riff-tastic on the BTB tour!
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Reply #17 - May 20^th, 2008 at 10:44am

Has Anybody Seen My Baby? shocked the shit out of me the first time I heard it in the parking lot of my favorite pizzaria. I didn't like the rap part, but quickly fell in love with the song soon after. I read a review once and the writer proclaimed that if the single had been released at the right time, it would have been the song of the summer 1997. I tend to agree.

I do not like Might As Well Get Juiced, but everything else on the album is tops. Why no Keith on Saint of Me?

All the raging guitars on Lowdown and Flip the Switch were up my alley in 97, and the album never left my side for two or three years. When I get a new Stones album it stays in my current rotation for a very long time.

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Zack Rocks Off Regular Offline Chiba Face Rules You Bastards! Posts: 1,727 Dakar Gender:	Re: B2B LOVE Reply #19 - May 20^th, 2008 at 12:04pm gota: http://freemusic07.blogspot.com/2007/09/rolling-stones-pirates-of-vaults.html
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gotdablouse Rocks Off Regular Offline Rocks Off Rules You Bastards Posts: 1,002 Paris, France Gender:	Re: B2B LOVE Reply #20 - May 20^th, 2008 at 12:27pm Thanks ! Yes based on the names these are the versions that quickly came out afte B2B on the "Remixes" CDs, not sure we ever found out what the source was, it was suspected at at time that it was an outside hand that tweaked the released tracks.
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Reply #21 - May 20^th, 2008 at 12:50pm

Steel Wheels wrote on May 20^th, 2008 at 10:44am:

Has Anybody Seen My Baby? shocked the shit out of me the first time I heard it in the parking lot of my favorite pizzaria. I didn't like the rap part, but quickly fell in love with the song soon after. I read a review once and the writer proclaimed that if the single had been released at the right time, it would have been the song of the summer 1997. I tend to agree.

I do not like Might As Well Get Juiced, but everything else on the album is tops. Why no Keith on Saint of Me?

All the raging guitars on Lowdown and Flip the Switch were up my alley in 97, and the album never left my side for two or three years. When I get a new Stones album it stays in my current rotation for a very long time.

If I remember correctly, Keith refused to be on Saint of Me because he wouldn't play w/the Charlie drum loop. In retrospect, Mick should have realized that this was NOT a dance floor track but a classic rock radio/AAA/baby boomer winner, and he should have compromised, as the dance remix 12" of Saint of Me is one of their worse releases EVER (containing as it does Any Way You Look at It and several REALLY grim Saint of Me's). It has long been my theory that a non-looped Saint of Me, released as a first single, would have solidly and smartly launched this record and paved the way for Anybody Seen My Baby as the second single.

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Reply #22 - May 20^th, 2008 at 1:44pm

threw this album on a few weeks ago (for the 1st time in ages). enjoyed it.
"juiced" and "suffering" are the weakest tracks, imho.
i'll never forget the boys rolling up to th B@B presser in the car, carrying the boombox, singing the "oh, yeah - oh, yeah" line together. they were lovely that day. not unlike the Bigger Bang presser w/ that kick ass Brown Sugar.

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Reply #23 - May 20^th, 2008 at 8:12pm

Nasty Habits wrote on May 20^th, 2008 at 12:50pm:

If I remember correctly, Keith refused to be on Saint of Me because he wouldn't play w/the Charlie drum loop. In retrospect, Mick should have realized that this was NOT a dance floor track but a classic rock radio/AAA/baby boomer winner, and he should have compromised, as the dance remix 12" of Saint of Me is one of their worse releases EVER (containing as it does Any Way You Look at It and several REALLY grim Saint of Me's). It has long been my theory that a non-looped Saint of Me, released as a first single, would have solidly and smartly launched this record and paved the way for Anybody Seen My Baby as the second single.

Good point. Your observations on Stones albums are always interesting and well developed. Now write that book, will ya?!

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Reply #25 - May 21^st, 2008 at 12:07am

I was never "crazy" about B2B per say, but I did think it was a good album for the most part.

It was not a disappointment. It has a "twisty" or...sort of winded turns type of run to it as it plays along is the best way I can describe how the album plays. The production is definately all over this album and shows different approaches to creating or more to the point, recording a Stones tune.

The album has a cold, personal, introspective feel where as Voodoo Lounge had warm, warm summer nights fell all over it. VL had a "lets have a great time guys....it's the Stones" feel to it. Voodoo Lounge was a very lets get together together and party album where-as Bridges seemed to be for the purpose of listening to it by yourself, and on a colder rainy fall night.

These releases took two totally different directions in feel and style. B2B has Gunface. A true gem. A problem with B2B may be in that it lacks a true "playing together as a band" characteristic that is always a nice Stones quality. Again though B2B was an over all quality release that had some interesting stuff.

Not the all time greatest album for me but I did enjoy it enough. I thought the album was a good album, just not my favorite Stones stuff is all. I was not nuts over it. It has it's own place on the shelf and I appreciated that in it. I thought it showed a complex side to the Stones, in a good way.

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Reply #28 - May 22^nd, 2008 at 6:36am

True, I'd go all the was as to say it was the last "real tour" before they became an oldies act, ah that friggin' 98 UK Tax affair...without that they would have never dared to tour in 1999 with no new album, on the plus side we got to see them in Arenas again, couldn't believe my luck in 04/1999 in San Jose when I was 20 feet away from the B-stage for Midnight Rambler...

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CatsBanquet Rocks Off Regular Offline Rocks Off Rules You Bastards Posts: 27	Re: B2B LOVE Reply #29 - May 23^rd, 2008 at 4:43am I like when they take some risks with "juiced" & the 3 Keith's songs. I prefer "saint of me" to "shine a light" as rock/gospel.
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