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Message started by Freya Gin on Dec 24th, 2015 at 8:29pm

Title: My Xmas gift to you guys: A classic rock BDSM tracklist
Post by Freya Gin on Dec 24th, 2015 at 8:29pm
And guess who appears on this list no less than 4 times?

Most explicitly BDSM-themed songs you hear (or hear about) are modern, often some form of heavy metal or something else Goth-oriented. But there are a handful in the classic rock vein. I don't know them all--there might well be more in the Stones' catalog that I haven't heard--so this list is hardly complete. (I skipped over "Slave" because all it says is "I don't want to be your slave," which could very well have a vanilla meaning.) Feel free to add any that I've missed.

Notes: The link in the title is to the youtube video for the song (yes, I know there's a youtube button, but it takes up much less room and makes this post more readable to just provide links). And of course, there's a link to the lyrics where I could find them. Let me know if I fucked any of this up; I don't really have the time to check everything right now.

The Most Explicitly BDSM-themed Songs:

The Rolling Stones—Tie You Up (The Pain of Love). An ode to a relationship with a professional dominatrix (pro-domme)? Sounds like it to me. The part at the end when Mick is panting “don’t hurt me” is hot as hell but my instincts tell me that he really means the opposite. Lyrics.

The Rolling Stones—I Go Wild. This song begins with the words “you whipped me… I’m hurting.” It goes on to express the subject’s (Mick unless I miss my guess) intense need for his dominant even though it sounds like she’s crossed the line to abuser (“you abused me for certain” is the second line). As a domme (well, a switch who leans more toward dominant) I’m quite familiar with how overwhelming a submissive’s need for their dominant can be. Lyrics.

The Velvet Underground—Venus in Furs. The classic rock BDSM song if ever there was one. The title is taken from the novel by Leopold von Sacher-Masoch, from whose name the word “masochist” is derived. “Strike, dear Mistress, and cure his heart” aptly expresses the craving many submissives have for punishment. Or maybe he’s just a painslut. Lyrics.

Nazareth—Let Me Be Your Dog. A recent find of mine; the title caught my eye while I was shopping for mp3s. A quick sampling proved that my guess was right—this song is as submissive as “Venus in Furs” and “Tie You Up (The Pain of Love).” Most obvious lines: Besides “let me be the slave you can faithfully flog”? Only everything. And it could undeniably be interpreted as having a pet play theme too. If you don't know what that means, I leave you to find out for yourself.Lyrics.

Jimmie Vaughan—Kinky Woman. I couldn’t find the lyrics for this song anywhere. Like the other song below, this is found on his Out There album. Sounds like poor Jimmie, being submissive, crossed paths with a real domme and found that he’d bitten off more than he could chew. After all, submission doesn’t automatically equal masochism and a love for leather… though it does for a hell of a lot of us, I must admit. And if you didn’t know, yes, this is Stevie Ray Vaughan’s brother.

Less Explicitly BDSM:

The Rolling Stones—Don’t Stop. Well, there’s not much BDSM content in this one but it sounds like the subject (probably Mick again) substituted an abusive bitch for a domme. Still sounds very much like a submissive talking to me. It might just me projecting my dominant tendencies here though. Lyrics.

The Rolling Stones—How Can I Stop. This is definitely a love song but there is one line that set off my domme’s radar: “It's too easy to lay here at your feet.” For those who don’t know, it’s common for a submissive to lay at their dominant’s feet when not in use or to perform foot worship. Lyrics.

Keith Richards—Will But You Won’t.Funny how these guys keep cropping up. Oh that was a terrible pun. Forgive me.  Anyway, this song doesn’t seem to be about BDSM except for: “Caress me baby, slap me in my face/Ooh, don't hurt me baby.” Make of that what you will. (Yes, there are submissives who like to be slapped.) Lyrics

Mick Jagger—Use Me.This is a cover if I’m not mistaken, but it sounds like pure Mick Jagger. Again, it’s not truly BDSM but it certainly expresses his submissive attitude, which I would sum up as “give it to me good and you can do just about anything you want with me (please!)”. Lyrics.

John “Cougar” Mellencamp—Hurts So Good. This song isn’t as overtly BDSM-themed as many assume. It’s mostly in the lines “Come on baby make it hurt so good/Sometimes love don't feel like it should/You make it hurt so good.” However, there sure is a lot of leather in this video. Lyrics.

ZZ Top—Got Me Under Pressure. “She likes whips and chains” he says in the second stanza. He then goes on to explain that she’s too much for him but he’s afraid that she might beat him harshly with a nightstick if he breaks up with her. Dangerous woman! Lyrics.

Jimmie Vaughan—Can’t Say No. Besides the line “I’m your slave” this is all about his submissive attitude towards his lover. Just goes to show that not all dominant lovers are necessarily dominants in BDSM terms. Lyrics.

Bonus!

Have you noticed that all the songs I’ve listed here are sang from the male submisive’s perspective? Yeah, that’s because of my tastes (and I don’t know of any told from a female submissive to a femdom—ah, would that I did). So for the flip side…. maybe:

Jimi Hendrix—Crosstown Traffic. There is some debate over whether this song references BDSM. “You say you don’t mind a little pain” he says at one point and then later, “Tire tracks all across your back/I can see you had your fun.” I bet  those weren’t actually tire tracks he was talking about. I read one guy’s convoluted theory about this song being about Jimi’s dissatisfaction with a clingy yet passive woman. Yeah, well, maybe. Wasn’t passive and clingy fairly normal for chicks then? Seems like he would’ve been pretty used to that. Lyrics.

Title: Re: My Xmas gift to you guys: A classic rock BDSM tracklist
Post by WaiteringOnAFiend on Dec 25th, 2015 at 1:56am
The morn and dawn of the saviour & Santa ... and we should be arse-up over a whipping block, is that the gist of what you're saying, FG?

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Post by Paranoid Android on Dec 25th, 2015 at 8:16am
Uhm....thank you?
LOL

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Post by Freya Gin on Dec 25th, 2015 at 11:04am

WaiteringOnAFiend wrote on Dec 25th, 2015 at 1:56am:
The morn and dawn of the saviour & Santa ... and we should be arse-up over a whipping block, is that the gist of what you're saying, FG?


If that's your thing then why not?


Paranoid Android wrote on Dec 25th, 2015 at 8:16am:
Uhm....thank you?
LOL


You're welcome.

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Post by sweetcharmedlife on Dec 26th, 2015 at 9:12am
50 Shades of Freya?...........You missed this one.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sFbujpjmTzs

Title: Re: My Xmas gift to you guys: A classic rock BDSM tracklist
Post by Freya Gin on Dec 26th, 2015 at 4:23pm

sweetcharmedlife wrote on Dec 26th, 2015 at 9:12am:
50 Shades of Freya?


50 Shades? Please! I'm for real. 50 Shades is a Twilight fanfic written by some ignorant chick who clearly didn't know real BDSM. No offense, but if you ever visit a real BDSM forum/mailing list, don't reference 50 Shades. Some people really hate those books because they encourage unsafe, even abusive practices. (If a dominant ever tells you that you don't need a safe word, run for it!)

As a funny aside though, my ex-sub saw her sister carrying a copy of 50 Shades and told her that she'd heard that the book was supposed to be dangerous. Apparently without thinking, her sister replied, "It can't be that dangerous, it doesn't even have breath play in it!" She didn't know her sister was a kinkster like us before then. If you don't know what breath play is, I'll leave it to you to google it.

But there is one song I can't believe I forget:

Def Leppard—Foolin'. Contains the line "Do with me what you will/Break the spell, take your fill." You don't have to be into real BDSM to realize just how submissive that sounds! Lyrics.

Title: Re: My Xmas gift to you guys: A classic rock BDSM tracklist
Post by patioaintdry on Dec 27th, 2015 at 6:37pm
ok . . .I'll bite (pun intended).

2 Guys walk into a bar. One asks "You know what really happened to Michael Hutchence?" The other guy responds . .

Anyway, wouldn't Struggle from Talk is Cheap meet the 'lifestyle' criteria?

More importantly, is this thread subject a Rocks Off first?

Should it be moved to the Joey thread?

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Post by Some Guy on Dec 27th, 2015 at 6:40pm
If I see any poo pictures I will alert the moderator.

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Post by Edith Grove on Dec 27th, 2015 at 7:24pm

Some Guy wrote on Dec 27th, 2015 at 6:40pm:
If I see any poo pictures I will alert the moderator.




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Post by sweetcharmedlife on Dec 27th, 2015 at 7:29pm

Some Guy wrote on Dec 27th, 2015 at 6:40pm:
If I see any poo pictures I will alert the moderator.

Some Boogie?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aTo0uVz6mTM

Title: Re: My Xmas gift to you guys: A classic rock BDSM tracklist
Post by Freya Gin on Dec 27th, 2015 at 9:17pm

patioaintdry wrote on Dec 27th, 2015 at 6:37pm:
Anyway, wouldn't Struggle from Talk is Cheap meet the 'lifestyle' criteria?


Well, it contains the line about struggling only tightens it up, but it just sounds to me that "Struggle" is really about being a musician or artist. Throwing yourself into your music, giving it everything, and so on. Lyrics with amusing typo.


Quote:
More importantly, is this thread subject a Rocks Off first?


It seems so. Before I posted this, I searched for "BDSM" and "femdom" and got nothing. Even "kinky" didn't turn up much, which surprised me.


Quote:
Should it be moved to the Joey thread?


No idea. I'm still a newbie so I don't even get what the Joey? thread is about.

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Post by Freya Gin on Dec 27th, 2015 at 9:25pm

Some Guy wrote on Dec 27th, 2015 at 6:40pm:
If I see any poo pictures I will alert the moderator.



So you're interested enough to keep reading this thread.

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Post by Freya Gin on Jan 4th, 2016 at 1:55am
Bored at the moment so I decided to update this thread.

Jimi Hendrix—Ball & Chain For Sale. I'm not sure that this song really exists. I've found it on more than one lyrics sites but have never heard it and can't find a copy anywhere. So take this one with a grain of salt, I guess. It sounds like his girlfriend was trying to be a domme (and possibly experimenting with hoodoo) and Jimi wasn't entirely pleased with the results. Decided to try submitting and didn't like it? Or was she just a bad domme? Hmmm. Lyrics.

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Post by Steel Wheels on Jan 4th, 2016 at 8:14am
That song has a line or two from Jimi's "Who Knows."

"She got chains attached to my head."

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Post by Freya Gin on Jan 4th, 2016 at 1:02pm

Steel Wheels wrote on Jan 4th, 2016 at 8:14am:
That song has a line or two from Jimi's "Who Knows."

"She got chains attached to my head."



Yeah, I remember that. A reference to mental domination? He also calls her his "seller" in another line of the song. Was she prostituting him too? Kinky!

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Post by WaiteringOnAFiend on Jan 4th, 2016 at 1:05pm
FrG - When does the red rawness usually abate on the chair-cheeks? Should it normally have begun to fade by the time the Xmas decorations come down?








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Post by Freya Gin on Jan 4th, 2016 at 2:12pm

WaiteringOnAFiend wrote on Jan 4th, 2016 at 1:05pm:
FrG - When does the red rawness usually abate on the chair-cheeks? Should it normally have begun to fade by the time the Xmas decorations come down?


Well, it depends on how severe the punishment was. The redness from a good cropping or flogging with a rubber whip can take a while. If it wasn't too severe, then definitely. Put some good lotion on it twice a day and see if that helps.

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Post by Freya Gin on Jan 22nd, 2016 at 11:49am
Just out of curiosity, did anyone here realize that this billboard was an obvious BDSM reference?
Even the way the ropes are criss-crossed around her legs is suggestive of bondage ropework.

Also, struck me as even more hilarious than the girl in it seems to find the sight of Mick tied up because, judging from the lyrics of songs like "Tie You Up (The Pain of Love)" and "I Go Wild" he probably would've enjoyed that.

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Post by gimmekeef on Jan 22nd, 2016 at 1:39pm
Didn't the Pretenders do a song about Joey? Bad Boys Get Spanked?

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Post by mojoman on Jan 22nd, 2016 at 2:02pm

Some Guy wrote on Dec 27th, 2015 at 6:40pm:
If I see any poo pictures I will alert the moderator.


alert baby steelie

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Post by Freya Gin on Jan 22nd, 2016 at 2:30pm

gimmekeef wrote on Jan 22nd, 2016 at 1:39pm:
Didn't the Pretenders do a song about Joey? Bad Boys Get Spanked?


It seems that they did. Well, well. Thanks for the heads up! Love the whip sound you can hear in the video. Lyrics.

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Post by SheRat on Jan 22nd, 2016 at 8:08pm
Just out of curiosity, did anyone here realize that this billboard was an obvious BDSM reference?

No. Not one of us. Ever. This whole time, like, decades. We've been too busy posting in the Joey thread, arguing about Taylor vs. Wood, and hating on the Eagles.

In other news, while I was searching for that awesome clip where Keith Moon is shackled and being whipped by a girl in a mask with a cat, I found this, which I thought was delightful.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nqnkTLViO8o

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Post by SheRat on Jan 22nd, 2016 at 8:10pm
Also, your list is missing, at the very least, this:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BJIqnXTqg8I

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Post by Freya Gin on Jan 23rd, 2016 at 5:36am

SheRat wrote on Jan 22nd, 2016 at 8:08pm:
Just out of curiosity, did anyone here realize that this billboard was an obvious BDSM reference?

No. Not one of us. Ever. This whole time, like, decades. We've been too busy posting in the Joey thread, arguing about Taylor vs. Wood, and hating on the Eagles.

In other news, while I was searching for that awesome clip where Keith Moon is shackled and being whipped by a girl in a mask with a cat, I found this, which I thought was delightful.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nqnkTLViO8o


I was wondering! I make a thread that points out that the guys made a couple of songs that were blatantly about S&M and I got the impression that the prevalent reaction was, "Oh, that's... interesting, Gin." Considering those S&M songs and the obvious hypersexed attitude of the Stones (their logo looks like an offer of cunnilingus for fuck's sake, and then there's the song "Sex Drive") I was expecting to see more people like me here, you know?

And what is with the hating on the Eagles? I'm not a huge fan of theirs or anything; in fact, I know next to nothing about them. Is there some kind of rivalry between them and the Stones I didn't know about? (A Google search of "Eagles Rolling Stones" yielded only that they had performed together in Milwaukee.)

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Post by Freya Gin on Jan 23rd, 2016 at 5:37am

SheRat wrote on Jan 22nd, 2016 at 8:10pm:
Also, your list is missing, at the very least, this:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BJIqnXTqg8I


Oh, nice. Thank you!

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Post by polytoxic on Jan 25th, 2016 at 4:11pm

Freya Gin wrote on Jan 22nd, 2016 at 11:49am:
Just out of curiosity, did anyone here realize that this billboard was an obvious BDSM reference?
Even the way the ropes are criss-crossed around her legs is suggestive of bondage ropework.



That never occurred to me until now. I always thought she was ziplining.

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Post by Freya Gin on Jan 26th, 2016 at 2:48am

polytoxic wrote on Jan 25th, 2016 at 4:11pm:
That never occurred to me until now. I always thought she was ziplining.


Lmao.

On a serious note, vanilla people are quick to misinterpret S & M as abuse if you don't spell it out for them, and frequently even if you do. I've had the misfortune to see real abuse firsthand and that's not what that is.

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Post by WaiteringOnAFiend on Feb 12th, 2016 at 1:15pm
Interesting that no one's mentioned 'Dangerous Beauty'.

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Post by Freya Gin on Feb 12th, 2016 at 1:30pm

WaiteringOnAFiend wrote on Feb 12th, 2016 at 1:15pm:
Interesting that no one's mentioned 'Dangerous Beauty'.


At the risk of appearing ignorant I must confess that I've never heard of this one.

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Post by Steel Wheels on Feb 12th, 2016 at 7:16pm
It's on A Bigger Bang.

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Post by Freya Gin on Feb 13th, 2016 at 2:11pm

Steel Wheels wrote on Feb 12th, 2016 at 7:16pm:
It's on A Bigger Bang.


Ah. I don't have that one. Like much of the Stones material I've got, I bought the mp3s separately because such small amounts were all I could afford at the time. Anyway, I looked the song up on youtube, decided that I liked it and bought a copy.

Dangerous Beauty. Yeah, this song sounds like it's about a domme, a pro ("So painfully plain to us you're doing your duty") with ties to Washington politicians at the time ("With your rubber gloves on you're a favourite with the Chiefs of Staff."). The explicit mentions of electrical play are also interesting. Lyrics.

So that's 5 times the Stones are on this list, with 3 of those times being definite BDSM-themed (Tie You Up (The Pain of Love), I Go Wild, Dangerous Beauty) and twice with songs that have a line or two that sound like a BDSM reference (Don't Stop, How Can I Stop).

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Post by WaiteringOnAFiend on Feb 13th, 2016 at 6:05pm
FrG -

'Dangerous Beauty' was (seemingly) inspired by one or other  pretty female officers who in November 2003 were photographed, thumbs-up and cheery faced, at Abu Ghraib, while prisoners were hooded, trussed, dog-piled, forced to masturbate, had simulated electrical wires attached to their genitals, or lay around dead / injured. Quite a ditty to ponder on.


But anyway... It's also odd that no one has suggested 'Brown Sugar' for your list.










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Post by Freya Gin on Feb 14th, 2016 at 5:14pm

WaiteringOnAFiend wrote on Feb 13th, 2016 at 6:05pm:
FrG -

'Dangerous Beauty' was (seemingly) inspired by one or other  pretty female officers who in November 2003 were photographed, thumbs-up and cheery faced, at Abu Ghraib, while prisoners were hooded, trussed, dog-piled, forced to masturbate, had simulated electrical wires attached to their genitals, or lay around dead / injured. Quite a ditty to ponder on.


But anyway... It's also odd that no one has suggested 'Brown Sugar' for your list.


Whoa... I didn't know Dangerous Beauty was based on that shit. I wasn't talking about REAL torture (though I'm aware some subs would get off even on that). I'm the sort of domme who gets off on her subs getting off on what we're doing, so real torture turns me off as much as it does vanilla people.

Ah, Brown Sugar. One of those songs I grew up hearing. I've heard it mentioned in conjunction with some form of cocaine but that sounds more like the ZZ Top song of the same name to me. I know it mentions slavery-- real slavery-- quite a bit, but isn't it about the guys' thing for black chicks?

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Post by gypsymofo60 on Mar 1st, 2016 at 3:06pm

Freya Gin wrote on Jan 26th, 2016 at 2:48am:

polytoxic wrote on Jan 25th, 2016 at 4:11pm:
That never occurred to me until now. I always thought she was ziplining.


Lmao.

On a serious note, vanilla people are quick to misinterpret S & M as abuse if you don't spell it out for them, and frequently even if you do. I've had the misfortune to see real abuse firsthand and that's not what that is.

Picking fleas out of rat shit really. You're damned if you do either way these days. I don't get S&M at all. It'd be like KISS. Taking three fucking hours in make up before, and after the gig. As Johnny Lydon says; How does become that? A rubber mask and a bollock weight heehee.

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Post by Freya Gin on Mar 1st, 2016 at 5:35pm

gypsymofo60 wrote on Mar 1st, 2016 at 3:06pm:
Picking fleas out of rat shit really. You're damned if you do either way these days. I don't get S&M at all. It'd be like KISS. Taking three fucking hours in make up before, and after the gig. As Johnny Lydon says; How does become that? A rubber mask and a bollock weight heehee.


It depends on what you're into. I can't describe how fulfilling it was to me when my sub said "I am yours" last night. For the sub, there is an indescribable thrill in giving oneself to a dominant. That falls under D/s (domination/submission).

S&M, strictly speaking, falls under the umbrella of "sensation play," along with forms of play like using ice and vibes. Pain can be a part of the pleasure. For some people, flogging (for example) is about pleasure, not pain. If it's BDSM, then there's an element of submission involved.

There's a third category of pain play though; pain being part of submission. Some subs get off on their dommes having the power to cause them pain at their whim. In this case, the sub is getting off submitting to their domme causing them pain even though they don't enjoy the pain itself. Mick gives off this vibe very strongly in the songs "Tie You Up (The Pain of Love)" and especially "I Go Wild." And of course, in some BDSM relationships, pain is used as punishment.

Ultimately, it's one of those things I can't really explain to someone who isn't into it. It's like trying to explain why a certain color or food is your favorite to someone who doesn't like it.

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Post by WaiteringOnAFiend on Mar 2nd, 2016 at 2:35am
Here's anoth'r...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KXh5diDgYGQ

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Post by Freya Gin on Mar 6th, 2016 at 7:38pm

WaiteringOnAFiend wrote on Mar 2nd, 2016 at 2:35am:
Here's anoth'r...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KXh5diDgYGQ


Oh. For a moment I thought the song might be about my... oh, never mind.

Anyway, nice tune! I've heard it before but hadn't for a long time.

And sorry I didn't reply sooner. Somehow your post got past my radar.

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Post by Freya Gin on Apr 25th, 2016 at 5:56pm
Having listened to "Slave" again over the weekend, I've reconsidered whether it should be on this list. The sparse lyrics definitely sound BDSM-related and not in a good way. At one point Mick cries out "hell no!" and then makes a lot of other noises that sound like his refusal didn't deter his domme (didn't she know that her panties would make an effective gag?). Was she being abusive or was this exactly what he wanted? You decide. Video with lyrics.

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Post by gimmekeef on Apr 26th, 2016 at 7:00am
Always laffed at Slave.....like going to the store for someone is construed as being like a slave. Guess for Mick it is!

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Post by Freya Gin on Apr 26th, 2016 at 3:49pm

gimmekeef wrote on Apr 26th, 2016 at 7:00am:
Always laffed at Slave.....like going to the store for someone is construed as being like a slave. Guess for Mick it is!


Hehe, yeah. That's the part that had made me think it wasn't kink-related before. But it's the part that comes after that the set off my domme's BDSM-radar.

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Post by Freya Gin on Aug 1st, 2016 at 4:48pm
Handsome Jack — Ropes and Chains. Handsome Jack is my favorite new-ish band, as I mentioned elsewhere. Sadly, they seem to become inactive this year. Anyway, I've been keeping an eye out, hoping to find the lyrics to this song somewhere but have had no luck. That's why I didn't post this sooner. The songs begins with, "You've got your ropes and you've got your chains/You put me out in the pouring rain." As the song progresses it shows a man being punished by his girlfriend for something but he professes to have no idea what. Is he truly clueless or is he pretending that he doesn't know? If so, then his pretense of ignorance isn't helping.

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Post by Bitch on Aug 2nd, 2016 at 8:39pm
Don't forget Whip = when the whip comes down!

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Post by Freya Gin on Aug 3rd, 2016 at 12:43am

Bitch wrote on Aug 2nd, 2016 at 8:39pm:
Don't forget Whip = when the whip comes down!


Ah, yes, how could I forget? I'll detail that one tomorrow.

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Post by Mr. Yeats on Aug 3rd, 2016 at 2:14am
This thread's icky. And boring. And very un-rock n' roll.

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Post by Freya Gin on Aug 3rd, 2016 at 9:24am

Mr. Yeats wrote on Aug 3rd, 2016 at 2:14am:
This thread's icky. And boring. And very un-rock n' roll.


Dude, that was the best troll you could come up with? Really?

That's just plain silly anyhow. There's nothing more pure rock n' roll than a leather-clad dominatrix with a whip!

Anyway, here goes:

The Rolling Stones — When the Whip Comes Down. The isn't as BDSM-related as the one might think from the title. Oh, it could be an oblique allusion to BDSM (perhaps even in the line, "learning the ropes") but it really seems to be much more about how difficult it was to be a gay man in NYC at the time. It also sounds like it's about prostitution, i.e., that the young man narrating the song was a "rent boy," but it was definitely not the lifestyle of his choice ("Yeah, some called me garbage/While I was sleeping on the street"). It's harder than you might think being a bisexual femdom even now; it was hell to be a gay man then. Kudos to the guys for recognizing that and speaking up in 1978. No doubt that it made the homophobes in their fandom uncomfortable. Lyrics.

Title: Re: My Xmas gift to you guys: A classic rock BDSM tracklist
Post by Freya Gin on Aug 14th, 2016 at 9:31pm
Well, I guess it's time to talk about BDSM and abuse here, especially since Fetlife ("facebook for kinky people") has become invite-only. One might assume that abuse is more common in BDSM than in regular vanilla relationships but this has not been my experience. Unfortunately, abusers are all too commonly found both inside and outside the BDSM world.

But I was a newbie submissive once (I'm still a switch, actually) so here are my big three tips to newbies subs:

1. Avoid isolation. It's not a good sign if your dominant wants to isolate you. Why would they want to do that? Maybe they're jealous, afraid that another dominant will steal you, but you should consider the idea that it might be to deprive you of support. Your best support system when you're a newbie sub is other subs. It's a really bad sign if your dominant doesn't want to associate even with others subs.

2. Have an out. Even if it means sleeping on someone's couch! Don't let your dominant completely take over your life unless and until you're sure that they're the one. That said, if you don't want your dominant to take over your life, don't let them. Again, it's a very bad sign if they insist.

3. "But that's how it's done. Everyone does this." That doesn't matter even if it were true and it almost certainly isn't. BDSM practitioners don't have to be 24/7 (in fact, most aren't). No, you don't have to accept that your dominant has other subs and/or lovers. Not every BDSM relationship includes punishment or pain. I like daddy/daughter roleplay myself but some people have a problem with it. If you hate calling him Daddy and he insists then he's crossing a line there. If it's forced upon you, it's become abusive. You don't have to do anything you don't really want to.

Is it possible for the dominant in a BDSM to become the abused partner? Unfortunately, yes. In fact, it happened to me. This is most likely in cases where the dominant is financially dependent on the sub but can also happen when kids are involved. In either case, the sub becomes manipulative and threatens the dominant to keep them in the relationship and doing exactly what the sub wants. If you don't want to do something and someone is making you do it, then you're in an abusive situation. Brat-type subs are probably the most likely to become emotionally abusive but they're not the only ones who can.

You can find lots of BDSM links with a google search but my favorite site is The Literotica BDSM Talk Forum. Their BDSM Library has a lot of info for BDSM practitioners in general, not just newbies, but some links will probably be dead.

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