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Title: Mandy Smith on being seduced by Bill Wyman at 13 Post by Edith Grove on May 31st, 2009 at 11:12am
If it happened now, Bill would go to jail.' Mandy Smith on the Rolling Stone who seduced her at the age of 13
By ANTONIA HOYLE Last updated at 11:54 PM on 30th May 2009 It was a photograph notable only for its utter normality: a mother taking her son – and his cello – to school, dressed for comfort and looking fraught. Yet when the picture was printed in a newspaper earlier this month, it caused something of a stir. For the figure in the black jacket and flat sandals was Mandy Smith, a woman rarely associated with conformity, let alone domesticity. Mandy was the 13-year-old girl who found notoriety when she was seduced by Rolling Stones bass player Bill Wyman in 1984. For two years, their relationship remained a closely guarded secret. But when it was made public, it became the biggest show-business scandal of the decade. Wyman, 34 years older than Mandy, was accused of everything from exploitation to rape. She was portrayed as both a victim of sexual abuse and a temptress; a wild-child Lolita whose thirst for fame and money exceeded any sense of morality. And her mother Patsy, who condoned their unlikely relationship, was painted as a manipulative parent prepared to hustle her young daughters for her own social gain. Left largely to her own devices, Mandy, who grew up in a council house in North London,first met Wyman while she was partying in a nightclub with her older sister Nicola. Despite her tender years she already possessed both the body and the beauty of a grown woman. Defying the national outcry, the pair went on to marry in 1989. But separation followed just weeks later, after Wyman admitted being unfaithful. It is no secret that Mandy, still a teenager trying to make a name for herself as a fashion model and fledgling pop star, struggled to cope with the ordeal and the aftermath. Over the next decade, the effects were little short of catastrophic. She developed a mysterious wasting disease, her weight dropping to a skeletal five-and-a-half stone. Later she endured a destructive two-year marriage to Pat van den Hauwe, a footballer ten years older than her. Still traumatised, she moved on to model Ian Mosby, a man her own age, for once, but they split up a year after their son Max, now eight, was born. It is no wonder that Mandy, now 38, has made a conscious decision to both stay single and to withdraw from the celebrity status that consumed so many of her earlier years. So seeing herself in that newspaper picture last month was as much of a surprise to her as anyone else. Speaking exclusively to The Mail on Sunday, she says: ‘I had mixed emotions. Part of me thought, “Oh no, not again.” 'But then I thought, no, I’m not sensitive about things now. I’ve moved on. Over the past year I’ve finally become comfortable with who I am. I’m not bothered by what people think.’ The Mandy talking today couldn’t be further removed from the woman once named ‘Rear of the Year’ and pictured at London’s glitziest nightspots. The vacuous, celebrity-driven aspects of her life have completely gone. She shares a two-bedroom flat in Manchester with her older sister and drives a modest VW Polo. Her clothes are from the High Street and she is more likely to be seen in Sainsbury’s or at the library than on a red carpet or a catwalk. She moved out of London for the first time in her life last August, to start a new life with Nicola in what she describes as the ‘friendlier’ environment of Manchester. When she’s not busy setting up kisspr.net, the website for Kiss PR, the public relations company the sisters run, she revels in housework and the company of her Yorkshire terrier, Buzz. In spare time not spent with Max, she immerses herself in charity work. She has never been happier and is able to view her past with a stringent new clarity. ‘In the past I was spoilt,’ she admits. ‘I’ve had nice houses, cars and jewellery. But it doesn’t make you happier and money has never been my god. ‘I have enough to live on and don’t want to be part of the celebrity world any more. I have worked hard to feel good about myself. I feel I have a real purpose.’ There is a further, rather extraordinary, explanation for her peace of mind: Mandy has become a practising Roman Catholic. She takes her son to church every Sunday, attends mass twice a week and prays every day. She says her faith began in 2005, when she joined a group of friends in Medjugorje, the Croatian shrine that has drawn Catholic pilgrims in their millions since 1981, when a group of local children claimed to have had visions of the Virgin Mary. ‘Something clicked,’ says Mandy. ‘Things kept happening that I can’t explain. We were having dinner when an image of Mary appeared on a white tablecloth 10ft away. We all saw it – everyone in the room. ‘I was brought up a Catholic but my mum was too ill to take us to church. I knew I had to get back on that path. ‘My faith has definitely helped me. I treat God as the one I have to ask for guidance. I chat to him every day and he is actually like the man in my life. I was always scared, but I’m not as fearful any more.’ She is surprisingly forgiving towards the rock star ex-husband who could have ruined her life, saying: ‘People aren’t as protective of celebrities nowadays and if this had happened recently I think Bill would have ended up in prison. 'I can’t think of it as child abuse. If I did I wouldn’t have been able to move on. But I’m reminded of it on a regular basis. 'Things I hear on TV about young girls, different scenarios with older men, rape... But he fell in love with me so I can’t look at it as sordid or wrong.’ There is a steeliness behind Mandy’s softly spoken sentences. But it is tempered with an endearing fragility. She is an intriguing amalgamation, at once all-knowing and innocent, a woman who realises she’s been wronged and a girl reluctant to believe in wrong. Her trademark blond locks are newly dyed brunette, the physical manifestation of her desire for a fresh start. Yet the chiselled cheek bones, doe-eyes and alluring pout are unmistakably those that lured Wyman 25 years ago. The end: Shortly after the ceremony, Bill went back on tour. The pair separated months later, and divorced in 1991 Mandy’s father John, a snooker-hall manager, walked out on Patsy when Mandy was three and she brought up the girls alone. By the time Mandy met Wyman, the sisters were frequenting nightclubs, wearing make-up and smoking Silk Cut. It was Mandy’s sense of fun and ability to hold her own that attracted Wyman, by then divorced from his first wife, bank clerk Diane Cory. The day after he met the sisters, he took them out for lunch and told Nicola he was ‘totally in love’ with Mandy. What started out as a friendship developed into a sexual love affair, conducted largely at Wyman’s sprawling Suffolk country home and for two years it was kept within the confines of Wyman’s close circle. ‘His friends respected him enough not to say anything,’ she says. ‘I felt too guilty to tell anyone. I loved the fact he loved me and he filled a void that my father’s absence had caused. 'It was a mistake, but looking back it was inevitable. Naively, I didn’t think it was a big deal,’ says Mandy. She admits she would not have chosen to lose her virginity at such a young age but says: ‘I went along with it because I thought I’d lose him if I didn’t. People said I knew what I was doing but I didn’t.’ When their relationship was leaked to the media, Mandy was completely unprepared for the furore. She was interviewed by Scotland Yard – she refused to press abuse charges – and found herself dubbed the ‘wild child’ on the tabloid front pages for months on end. But despite the unwelcome attention, and a brief split, they married in 1989, aged 18 and 52, surrounded by rock ‘royalty’. ‘It was almost as if we’d had to marry to make sense of the affair,’ says Mandy. ‘The wedding day is a bit of a blur now. It doesn’t feel it was me.’ Soon after they married, Wyman went away on tour and, when he came back, Mandy felt unable to continue their physical relationship. It was as if the ceremony had finally made her realise the whole thing was wrong. After the wedding they made love just twice. They separated weeks later, and divorced in 1991. Wyman’s infidelity cemented her mistrust of men. ‘It goes back to my dad,’ she believes. ‘I always chose destructive relationships and what happened with Bill made it even harder for me to trust men.’ After a failed attempt at pop stardom, Mandy returned to modelling. But her health, exacerbated by the break-up, rapidly deteriorated. Mandy – who is now a teetotal vegan and slim, though no longer skeletal – believes her dramatic weight loss was the result of both an inadequate digestive system and a faulty thyroid. But the general perception was that she was anorexic. ‘I wanted to eat,’ she insists. ‘I just couldn’t without being ill. People would gasp at how thin I was.’ It was only as she descended into the depths of her illness that she started to come to terms with her relationship with Wyman. ‘While it was happening, I didn’t have time to think or feel. ‘But when I was really ill I had so much time on my hands. I grew angry with Bill, my mum, the fact I’d been living in a goldfish bowl. I still had a sensitive side but I became harder, less tolerant and tough.’ Her anger at Wyman – who maintains he behaved ‘honourably’ – was directed more at the way he behaved after their relationship ended than during it. ‘I made mistakes but I was 13,’ she says. ‘He didn’t take responsibility for his actions. If he’d had the guts to take some of the flak and stick up for me people would have respected him.’ She says Patsy and Nicola, who moved into the four-bedroom North London home she bought with her £580,000 divorce settlement, bore the brunt of her rage. ‘They were always looking after me. I was a diva if things weren’t done right,’ she admits. ‘I didn’t realise until fairly recently the impact my behaviour had on my sister, who supported me throughout.’ Meanwhile, in a surreal twist, Patsy, then 51, embarked on a relationship with Wyman’s 24-year-old son that was to last until 1994. ‘It was like something out of a novel,’ Mandy laughs. ‘At the time it was strange but she’d been so ill that I was happy for her.’ A year earlier, Mandy married Pat van den Hauwe. Two tempestuous years followed. In a newspaper interview he accused Mandy of withholding sex and driving him to drink, and her mother and sister of crowding their relationship. She believes their marriage was volatile and that he shared the blame. Mandy met Ian in a nightclub in 1999. Six months later she became pregnant. But they split up when Max was one and Ian is no longer in contact. ‘I make sure Max has plenty of male role models,’ says Mandy. ‘When I had him Mum realised I could look after myself. She respected me more and it was good for all of us. We’ve come full circle now.’ She has been celibate since she broke up with Ian in 2002. ‘I can’t imagine having sex with someone I don’t like. I’ve been on my own for so long I know what I want,’ she says. ‘I’ve had a few dates but the chemistry hasn’t been right and I’ve learned it’s better to wait. ‘I’ll never go for another chaotic relationship again. I do feel ready for a partnership, although it would take a lot for me to marry again. And because of my faith I don’t know if I would have sex before marriage.’ Mandy clearly dotes on Max. ‘He’s doing some modelling for children’s clothes and loves Manchester United and Irish dancing,’ she says. ‘I’m here to love, guide and teach him.’ One of his friends recently told him his mother had been married to a Rolling Stone. ‘He didn’t know who they were,’ she says. ‘It was only when he found their music on his Guitar Heroes computer game that he realised. Now he plays Paint It Black to me and says, “Mum, this is your song.”’ Mandy works hard on her mental and emotional balance. She says counselling has helped and she has trained to work with Home Start, a charity that supports vulnerableone-parent families. ‘I’ve always been a helper and a giver,’ she says. ‘But now I want to put it into action. Otherwise what’s the point in being here?’ She believes her health has improved thanks to regular sessions of ‘alternative’ therapy with Manchester-based Fiona Slatter, whose Body Energy treatments (www.body-energy.co.uk) involve placing suction pads at strategic points around the body. ‘It’s like acupuncture but non-invasive,’ she says. ‘I was sceptical at first, but it makes me feel amazing.’ Her anger towards Wyman, who has since married American fashion designer Suzanne Accosta, with whom he has three daughters, has dissipated. ‘To move on you’ve got to forgive,’ she says. ‘I wouldn’t want him charged, there wouldn’t be any point. It wouldn’t prove anything and I don’t want to interfere in his life. ‘Plus,’ she adds, the steeliness back in her eyes, ‘he’s got young children now. One is the age I was when we met – which can’t be easy for him.’ Full article & photos here: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-1189753/If-happened-Bill-jail-Mandy-Smith-Rolling-Stone-seduced-her.html |
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Title: Re: Mandy Smith on being seduced by Bill Wyman at Post by Gazza on May 31st, 2009 at 11:18am
Bill was pretty lucky he didnt go to jail. I think what helped him was that there was no statement at the time from any party which suggested they'd had sex when she was underage. That wasn't admitted until years later.
If anyone should have been locked up at the time though, it should have been her mum. |
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Title: Re: Mandy Smith on being seduced by Bill Wyman at Post by Heart Of Stone on May 31st, 2009 at 12:14pm
The article doesn't mention Astrid, I think her name was, that Bill was living with (but not married) after he left his first wife, in fact I think he was with her longer then anyone else.
And yeah, I go along with Gazza, her Mother should be the one locked up, how does that Stones song go"well you're grown up all wrong" |
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Title: Re: Mandy Smith on being seduced by Bill Wyman at Post by Pdog on May 31st, 2009 at 1:15pm
I know she's only 13, but she looks 14....
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Title: Re: Mandy Smith on being seduced by Bill Wyman at Post by Sioux on May 31st, 2009 at 6:14pm
Yeah, I think Bill was with Astrid for about 18 years.....but you know he wasn't in any way, shape, or form, faithful to her either. And CERTAINLY not with Diane.....he always had to have somebody to sleep with. Or so he says.
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Title: Re: Mandy Smith on being seduced by Bill Wyman at Post by Saint Sway on Jun 1st, 2009 at 8:29am
word.
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Title: Re: Mandy Smith on being seduced by Bill Wyman at Post by Ten Thousand Motels on Jun 1st, 2009 at 8:30am
The list of rock stars who have had sex with underage girls is quite lengthy I think. Isn't that one of the perks (no pun intended).
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Title: Re: Mandy Smith on being seduced by Bill Wyman at Post by Heart Of Stone on Jun 1st, 2009 at 8:40am
The pioneers of Rock & roll sure did, Jerry L. Lewis married his 13 year old cousin, Chuck Berry was charged with taking a under aged girl over the border, I think it was, something to that effect, Elvis was dating Priscilla in Germany before she was 16, I don't know about any Hanky Panky (haven't heard that word in years)
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Title: Re: Mandy Smith on being seduced by Bill Wyman at Post by Honky Tonk Man on Jun 1st, 2009 at 8:46am
In regards to Jerry Lee Lewis: didn't that sort of thing go on a lot in the Deep South?
I am not condoning it at all - should have been shot. Well, he ceased being creative by then, no? |
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Title: Re: Mandy Smith on being seduced by Bill Wyman at Post by Ten Thousand Motels on Jun 1st, 2009 at 8:51am Honky Tonk Man wrote on Jun 1st, 2009 at 8:46am:
I don't think so. He's still one of the best boogie woogie piano players on the planet. |
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Title: Re: Mandy Smith on being seduced by Bill Wyman at Post by Gazza on Jun 1st, 2009 at 10:55am Honky Tonk Man wrote on Jun 1st, 2009 at 8:46am:
In 1958? Hardly. He was probably at the peak of his popularity. Quite a few people (me included) would argue that a lot of his country stuff in the 60's is on a par with the best of his rock n roll material from the '50s. Lewis' marriage to Myra (as far as I know) would have been legal only for the fact that he wasn't yet divorced from his first wife at the time. |
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Title: Re: Mandy Smith on being seduced by Bill Wyman at Post by Gazza on Jun 1st, 2009 at 10:58am Heart Of Stone wrote on Jun 1st, 2009 at 8:40am:
They met just before she was 15. Her father was on active service in Germany at the same time as Elvis was. Two or three years after Elvis' return to the US - during which time he hadn't even seen her, her parents gave their approval for her to live at Graceland with Elvis' dad and his new wife and finish her education, basically with the understanding that her and Elvis would get married when she was old enough. She was 21 when they got married in 1967. There's nothing to suggest that she was 'deflowered' prior to that. In fact, she claimed that Elvis refused to have sex with her before they were married. |
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Title: Re: Mandy Smith on being seduced by Bill Wyman at Post by lotsajizz on Jun 1st, 2009 at 12:48pm
Priscilla at the airport was an 11 on the 1 to 10 scale!
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Title: Re: Mandy Smith on being seduced by Bill Wyman at Post by Sioux on Jun 1st, 2009 at 6:28pm Heart Of Stone wrote on Jun 1st, 2009 at 8:40am:
I think it was a song. ;) :P |
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Title: Re: Mandy Smith on being seduced by Bill Wyman at Post by Edith Grove on Jun 1st, 2009 at 6:32pm Honky Tonk Man wrote on Jun 1st, 2009 at 8:46am:
Yeah, but in West Virginia, it's all relative ! |
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Title: Re: Mandy Smith on being seduced by Bill Wyman at Post by Heart Of Stone on Jun 1st, 2009 at 6:59pm Sioux wrote on Jun 1st, 2009 at 6:28pm:
Yeah, Tommy James & The Shondells. |
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Title: Re: Mandy Smith on being seduced by Bill Wyman at Post by Sioux on Jun 1st, 2009 at 11:24pm Heart Of Stone wrote on Jun 1st, 2009 at 6:59pm:
Lol, yeah. That's why I was winking....:) Tommy James was really young when that song was recorded. About 14 or 15 or something. Wasn't released for a couple of years. He formed the Shondells when he was 12! |
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Title: Re: Mandy Smith on being seduced by Bill Wyman at Post by Gazza on Jun 2nd, 2009 at 7:12am lotsajizz wrote on Jun 1st, 2009 at 12:48pm:
LOL...it actually disturbs me that I know exactly what you're talking about. :) |
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Title: Re: Mandy Smith on being seduced by Bill Wyman at Post by glencar on Jun 2nd, 2009 at 7:23am
Some guy from Phish was accused of sex with an underage girl (9!) & Luther Van Dross was accused of sex with underage boys. I don't think that stuff goes on more often in the South; I think Jerry Lee was just unsophisticated enough to let everyone know about it. In India, girls are betrothed at really young ages.
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Title: Re: Mandy Smith on being seduced by Bill Wyman at Post by Gazza on Jun 2nd, 2009 at 7:57am wrote on Jun 2nd, 2009 at 7:23am:
Well, I think what also was a major factor in Lewis' case was that the story broke when he was on tour in England. Maybe where he was from it wasn't a big deal to have such a young wife if she wasn't underage where their marriage took place - however to be touring the UK accompanied by a 13-year old who he was married to (and who, as it subsequently emerged, was also a relation) obviously was going to create an entirely different reaction. If he'd left her at home, the press simply wouldn't have known about it. |
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Title: Re: Mandy Smith on being seduced by Bill Wyman at Post by BILL PERKS on Jun 2nd, 2009 at 8:38am wrote on Jun 2nd, 2009 at 7:23am:
I HEAR MAINE HAS A LARGE PERCENTAGE OF PEDOPHILES. |
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Title: Re: Mandy Smith on being seduced by Bill Wyman at Post by Ten Thousand Motels on Jun 2nd, 2009 at 9:04am BILL PERKS wrote on Jun 2nd, 2009 at 8:38am:
Not so much.....livestock's where its at here.... |
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Title: Re: Mandy Smith on being seduced by Bill Wyman at Post by Saint Sway on Jun 2nd, 2009 at 9:11am wrote on Jun 2nd, 2009 at 7:23am:
Most recently it was quite unsafe to be a young Page in the dark corridors of our Nation's Capital :o |
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Title: Re: Mandy Smith on being seduced by Bill Wyman at Post by StonesFanatic on Jun 2nd, 2009 at 11:15am Saint Sway wrote on Jun 2nd, 2009 at 9:11am:
It still is...Barney Frank's been there for decades and the guy ran a gay brothel out of his apartment with his live-in lover at the time back in the early 1980s!! |
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